The positive things that could come out of a Trump presidency

[WereCoyote]

The wall, you mean?

It could be any number of things, the wall, roads, airports, telecommunications. Any number of programs that throughout the campaign Mr. Trump mentioned being in shambles.

 

[WereCoyote]

Law enforcement that targets minorities and can abuse them with no repercussions

and authority figures that abuse their authority

being under heel is not "being more respectful" its called being afraid

So we should just open fire on any officer we see, because they might be the one that targets minorities right?

 

[SuperT]

You're being ridiculous, that's not what they were implying at all.

 

[Legendver2]

There's that picture they have of the election night where everyone is cheering and he's sitting there with a look on his face like he's thinking, "****".

I personally think these pics will go down in history as to go to "the moment you realized you ****ed up" meme sources

 

[Donner]

I wouldn't want to be the president of people who voted for me because I said stupid and racist ****.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Melania noticeably absent from those photos.

And christ, do the Pences stick out like sore thumbs in that room.

 

[Donner]

Donald Trump Jr. has a Backpfeifengesicht.

 

[The Overlord]

Here is a potential good thing, maybe Trump's victory will convince people that the US political system needs massive reform, because it seems really broken now. Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom to change things.

 

[BatLobster]

Here is a potential good thing, maybe Trump's victory will convince people that the US political system needs massive reform, because it seems really broken now. Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom to change things.

That's what I'm hoping.

Trump's whole rhetoric has been about draining the swamp and burning it down....but the thing is, when you talk like that you had better have a plan of what to replace it with.

It'll be interesting to see whether Trump's administration plays out like a typical "Left vs Right" battle or whether it will turn into more of a bipartisan 'establishment' (by this I just mean sane people who see the danger and stupidity of much of his plans) vs the Republicans that try to go along with his "anti-establishment" movement.

 

[2kt09]

Historic Voter Turnout

1960-2012 voter turnout

 

[The Overlord]

Historic Voter Turnout

1960-2012 voter turnout

Was this election really that great if 45% of the voting population stayed home?

Frankly the US election system is pretty bad, gerrymandering is not very Democratic, the primary system creates a system of constant campaigning that ensures more partisanship and the Electorical College is an outdated system that results in the person who gets the popular vote not winning.

Canada does not have a year and a half campaign process, to my knowledge doesn't have gerrymandering at the Federal or provincial level and has a system that is far more reasonable then the Electoral College is, the party that wins the most districts wins power, the more districts you get, the bigger your majority is the House of Commons. Getting 50% + 1 does not get every seat in a province.

The Canadian system is not perfect, but it is far better then the American one and frankly so are several other democracies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

 

[KevanG]

I prefer Canadas election system. It took us three months for our last election from start to finish. The guy that was trying to implement a ****ton of racist crap got his ass kicked out of office so hard, he vanished from sight for months afterwards then came back and quit the party entirely.

I personally think these pics will go down in history as to go to "the moment you realized you ****ed up" meme sources

I love the first one. You can just see him thinking, "I was not supposed to win this. I was supposed to lose, spend the next four years *****ing about everything and go back to doing whatever I do when I'm not acting like I want to be president. ****."

 

[2kt09]

Was this election really that great if 45% of the voting population stayed home?

That's the same % in 2008, and a less percentage of people compared to 2012 actually stood out the election.
Just really glad more people are engaged and in the midst of people mocking each other, more people managed to debate and discuss.

the Electoral College is an outdated system that results in the person who gets the popular vote not winning.

We have gone over this in that pop vote vs electoral college thread.

Canada does not have a year and a half campaign process, to my knowledge doesn't have gerrymandering at the Federal or provincial level and has a system that is far more reasonable then the Electoral College is, the party that wins the most districts wins power, the more districts you get, the bigger your majority is in the House of Commons. Getting 50% + 1 does not get every seat in a province.

If we went by individual districts (assuming that's like the counties we have), that's an even more massive landslide victory for Trump. This Canadian system of districts you outlined sounds closer worse to what the electoral college is anyways, the number of representative voters relative to population sizes per state. If people want to update those rep numbers to better reflect those populations, be my guest.

Just guessing on Canada's district system, so by all means correct me.

 

[Victarion]

If Senator Boxer's legislation to do away with the electoral college comes to pass, the Bernie crowd might actually be able to get their guy, or someone like him, into the oval office.

 

[2kt09]

If Senator Boxer's legislation to do away with the electoral college comes to pass, the Bernie crowd might actually be able to get their guy, or someone like him, into the oval office.

You got to first do something about those "delegates" / "superdelegates"

 

[Kelly]

I prefer Canadas election system. It took us three months for our last election from start to finish. The guy that was trying to implement a ****ton of racist crap got his ass kicked out of office so hard, he vanished from sight for months afterwards then came back and quit the party entirely.



I love the first one. You can just see him thinking, "I was not supposed to win this. I was supposed to lose, spend the next four years *****ing about everything and go back to doing whatever I do when I'm not acting like I want to be president. ****."

His speech afterwards definitely showed that......they threw that sucker together in 5 minutes.

 

[Legendver2]

One positive thing I can see happening is to see his supporters ***** and have a meltdown once they realized they got No-Man's-Sky'd by Donald Trump.

 

[Lighthouse]

One positive thing I can see happening is to see his supporters ***** and have a meltdown once they realized they got No-Man's-Sky'd by Donald Trump.

I cynically don't think this will happen. His supporters are so fact-free, that I'm certain Fox News and the rest of the echo chamber will find a way to blame immigrants or the left for Trumps failures, and they will lap it up as the gospel.

I'm already seeing Trumpsters believing the bogus meme going around that Trump won the popular vote by millions. We are in a post fact era, and I don't think the masses are going to learn jack.

 

[SV Fan]

If Senator Boxer's legislation to do away with the electoral college comes to pass, the Bernie crowd might actually be able to get their guy, or someone like him, into the oval office.

Nobody is going to vote to change a system unless the new one benefits them

 

[Sithborg]

Ivanka's face is also telling.

Was this election really that great if 45% of the voting population stayed home?

Frankly the US election system is pretty bad, gerrymandering is not very Democratic, the primary system creates a system of constant campaigning that ensures more partisanship and the Electorical College is an outdated system that results in the person who gets the popular vote not winning.

Canada does not have a year and a half campaign process, to my knowledge doesn't have gerrymandering at the Federal or provincial level and has a system that is far more reasonable then the Electoral College is, the party that wins the most districts wins power, the more districts you get, the bigger your majority is the House of Commons. Getting 50% + 1 does not get every seat in a province.

The Canadian system is not perfect, but it is far better then the American one and frankly so are several other democracies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

Hey, lets not forget the gutting of the Voting Rights Act.

As for the Electoral College, I do think it gives a valued voice to the minority. And I can tell you, as a state that was pretty much governed by one city, it isn't the best thing to have. As much as people like to point out that it can go against the popular vote, it is important to point out that it doesn't happen that often. Also the boogeyman of unfaithful electors is not a real issue.

 

[SV Fan]

As for the Electoral College, I do think it gives a valued voice to the minority. And I can tell you, as a state that was pretty much governed by one city, it isn't the best thing to have. As much as people like to point out that it can go against the popular vote, it is important to point out that it doesn't happen that often. Also the boogeyman of unfaithful electors is not a real issue.

One problem with the electoral college is it started with about 100 electors and 4M people, over the first 120 years the population grew to 100M and we had 531 electors(this was in 1912). Since then the population has more then tripled and we added a grand total of 4 electors(due to having 2 new states join the union).

Maybe they can keep the system but change the amount of electoral votes to how it was in 1912 in terms of the amount of people per 1 electoral vote(which at the time was 188k people per 1 electoral vote), even if you do 500k people = 1 electoral vote that would make a fairer system.

In or current system when 1 electoral vote = 217k people in Wyoming, 1 electoral vote = 705K in California, that is unfair to the people in California

 

[2kt09]

Another thing would be this election got people more concerned / more aware about voter fraud AND voter suppression.
You can pretty much guess which side thinks which is more prevalent, but still.
If we did nothing about that before, I'm sure plenty more will finally voice their opinion of it.

 

[Sithborg]

Adding in more House seats is a fine idea. But good luck with that.

You know, the first time Trump has to give a speech about a mass shooting at Trump Tower is going to be a thing.

 

[Sithborg]

Another thing would be this election got people more concerned / more aware about voter fraud AND voter suppression.
You can pretty much guess which side thinks which is more prevalent, but still.
If we did nothing about that before, I'm sure plenty more will finally voice their opinion of it.

The Voting Rights Act was gutted. You bet your ass voting suppression happened.

 

[2kt09]

The Voting Rights Act was gutted. You bet your ass voting suppression happened.

Just as I bet my ass enough people cheated the system by voting.