The Dark Knight The Realism Debate thread

[CaptainClown]

And people wonder why the world can't get along. Batman fans can't even agree without biting each others throats.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Oh no, there's no possible way anyone could ever understand that. Not even Nolan and Goyer

 

[Figs]

Still, no reason people can't suspend their belief so that The Joker can be white-skinned.

I never said they couldn't, I myself am hoping he is white skinned. Was saying that for the Tumbler just like the microwave emitter you need a little suspension of belief.

 

[Bright Knight]

Sounds like a lot of you do since you totally missed my points and all started mocking me for saying what is common sense that you all didn't get.

We're all wrong and you're right...

Gotcha.

 

[Figs]

Is there a subtle bone in your body? I think everyone implicitly gets that it's a bridging vehicle and Fox didn't craft the Tumbler with his own hands, we're debating the mechanics and logic of it. If it pains you stay out of it

There's nothing painful about it. I just got irritated about the fact how some couldn't understand why he couldn't just fire the missles from a standard driver side seat. I already gave an example earlier about being in your car, it's the fact that your not centered. I think someone else also mentioned that.

 

[CaptainClown]

and this is why I don't enter politics

 

[Figs]

lol wut

Your link of truth was a link to something about a new movie with Patrick Swayze.

 

[Figs]

and this is why I don't enter politics

So to have a difference in opinion you need to be in politics?

 

[Bright Knight]

we're debating the mechanics and logic of it.

Anyway...

I think your diagram... ¦¦--¦¦ //--// ==--==

Best describes how the tumbler can unfold. I'm not an engineer, but I do have an interest in engineering, and i can't see how the Pod could come out any other way? Especially if they've designed and built a tumbler which actually does eject a pod?

 

[CaptainClown]

because its a huge debate where nothing gets done. Rather then putting aside differences to see something greater... in this case. THE DARK KNIGHT

 

[Figs]

because its a huge debate where nothing gets done. Rather then putting aside differences to see something greater... in this case. THE DARK KNIGHT

The title of this thread is Realism Debate. A debate is in fact an argument of sorts.

 

[Bright Knight]

There's nothing painful about it. I just got irritated about the fact how some couldn't understand why he couldn't just fire the missles from a standard driver side seat. I already gave an example earlier about being in your car, it's the fact that your not centered. I think someone else also mentioned that.

Why did you get irritated at someone asking why couldn't he just fire missiles from the driver's seat? Is it any more unbelievable than him firing them from his stomach?

Why not just build the driver's seat in the centre of the vehicle?

You're the one going on about the fact that this is a comic book film! suspension of belief! Hoisted by your own petard, etc.

 

[CaptainClown]

No its turning into a sort of yelling and declaring that individuals are stupid for not seeing their point of view.

 

[sasquatchs]

Anyway...

I think your diagram... ¦¦--¦¦ //--// ==--==

Best describes how the tumbler can unfold. I'm not an engineer, but I do have an interest in engineering, and i can't see how the Pod could come out any other way? Especially if they've designed and built a tumbler which actually does eject a pod?

The fun has been sapped To get back to it,

I missed the bit where it goes

|| 8 || .... || m ||

where 8 is Batman


Its complex...

 

[Bright Knight]

The fun has been sapped To get back to it,

I missed the bit where it goes

|| 8 || .... || m ||

where 8 is Batman


Its complex...

Yea I give up, But I'm pretty sure that it's something to do with that?

It's gonna be transformerish i'd say. But why else would there be notches in the wheel frames that would allow the wheels to lock at 90 degrees?

As I said, I give up!

 

[Mr. Socko]

There's nothing painful about it. I just got irritated about the fact how some couldn't understand why he couldn't just fire the missles from a standard driver side seat. I already gave an example earlier about being in your car, it's the fact that your not centered. I think someone else also mentioned that.

As others have said and as you have said...suspension of disbelief.

I just didn't like him going under on his stomach. IMO It would have been better to just have a tracking monitor and signal for the missile shooting instead of having to go under the thing. I just didn't like it.

 

[sasquatchs]

If it turns out to be his escape route it's vindicated and then some. Better than the old blow the roof off and eject. Although come to think of it that could be cool with Batman's abilities

 

[Baba Ghanoush]

It didn't bother me in the slightest that he had to go into that position to fire missles, you all want to know why?!?!? If you paid attention to details, which im sure you did, it's A BRIDGING VEHICLE. Since it's to be used in war/combat areas it is smart to give it weapons but that is not it's primary function.

To me it was a seperate screen for precision aiming since it wasn't built as a top of the line weapon like a tank. I don't see how you can aim well in that thing when your in the driver seat. Imagine being in your car and it could fire missles from the front, I guarantee your aim and accuracy would suck trying to shoot a centered target from that perspective.

Not to mention it's a ****ing movie lol based on a comic. Give it a rest. On another note, it still has not been proven as fact that the damn "pod" will be coming out of the Tumbler.

If fighter pilots can aim and fire missiles and drop laser guided bombs from thousands of feet in the air on targets no bigger than a corner of a room in a building while staying in a seated upright position, there should be no reason why Batman would have to go to the floorboard to engage a weapons system in a ground based vehicle.

Yes, its a comic-book movie. Unfortunately, you show the weakness in your argument when you start out with a reason supporting your position and then switch to the "but its just a movie" premise.

 

[Baba Ghanoush]

My question is this. All of the equipment Bruce "borrowed" from Wayne Enterprises: do you think they're still in the inventory files?

I mean, I'd assume Wayne Enterprises would do inventory of its stored products, to make sure nobody is stealing ****. How's Fox supposed to explain that an expensive military vehicle prototype is just missing, when it's still in the files?

It would have been cool to see Bruce go through the Wayne Enterprises computer files and delete the data on all of the equipment he took. Nobody would have proof that they existed in the first place if they're completely erased from the computer bank.

Yes, they would definitely be inventoried.

But these are dead projects. So you have to ask yourself, who would go looking for these items? For this reason, they are not going to be missed at least temporarily.

Like you said, I'm sure Wayne at some point deleted all the files and destroyed any trace of their existence, much the same way Earle tried to do with the ME.

 

[fcrowelle06]

Okay guess it's time for me to put my two cents in: Fact of the matter is I love Nolan's realism, I think's it's the most accurate to batman because he basically set in realistic settings dealing more with the mind than special powers, but when it comes to the villains, even though they're realistically crazy they're still fantastical, The Joker has bleached skin from chemicals, Laughs hysterically, and blows up children, Catwoman scales buildings, Two-Face is dementally two-sided, Penguin uses umbrellas for shooting (still ingenius by the way) scarecrow is man obsessed with fear toxins to get straight to the fear of people's soul, Ventriloquist, Freeze, Riddler, Ras Al Ghul, Bane, Ivy, all of them are fantasitical but not too fantastical to be in Nolan's world because of their ORIGIN, they come by realistic ways, of what you think could happen if it did in our world, that' why I would never rule anything out from Batman in Nolan's world even though he might do it himself

 

[fcrowelle06]

Your all welcome to disagree, but I just don't see a reason for any of these people not being able to be there even Killer Croc or Hush

 

[Bright Knight]

Well with penguin the umbrella thing is very easily solved...

Mobsters used to hide machine guns in umbrellas... The penguin hides his machine gun in his umbrella, and when he needs to, he puts his hand inside his closed umbrella and shoots. He could be a posh english arms dealer... NO NEED for the top hat. But he could be camp I suppose? Paul Bethany?

 

[fcrowelle06]

I would settle more for Bob Hoskins as Penguin

 

[Bright Knight]

I would settle more for Bob Hoskins as Penguin

But is that because he's short and fat like previous incarnations of the joker?

 

[fcrowelle06]

But is that because he's short and fat like previous incarnations of the joker?

you mean previous incarnations of the Penguin?...if that's what you mean then yes, but I wouldn't him to be too close to the animal aspects of it like in Batman Returns more like the ruthless english gangster who's effectively cold, calculating, and brilliant with a taste for unsual killings, like the umbrella's for different weapons