The Dark Knight The Realism Debate thread

[Agentsands77]

I just want a mix of both, I mean this is a fictional based character in a comic-book world, and it's being made into a movie,

Well sure. Batman's ultimately fantasy, and that's inescapable. Even Nolan knows that. BEGINS gave us plenty of fantasy painted with a coat of "realism," and THE DARK KNIGHT looks like it'll do the same.

 

[itsthebatman]

The Departed deserved the award you losers.

United 93 > The Departed (much as I love it)

 

[Monster]

Is Nolan still intent on using realism in TDK because I've had a theory that acid possibly can't do that amount of damage to The Joker or Two Face.

Just a hunch.

Enlightenment would be neccesary.

 

[dark_b]

Well sure. Batman's ultimately fantasy, and that's inescapable. Even Nolan knows that. BEGINS gave us plenty of fantasy painted with a coat of "realism," and THE DARK KNIGHT looks like it'll do the same.

not hte first comics.
with all due respect

 

[fcrowelle06]

he means ultimately buddy, when a man dresses up as bat to fight crime that's fantasy....that's fantasy

 

[thegameq]

See, this is what I'm talking about, we're sticking so much to the "realistic" that we're losing too many aspects of why we loved batman in the first place...geez...anyway, another character I'm worried about it is ClayFace...Nolan would have to work his ass off to make that "realistic"...well the B:TAS origin for him was pretty realistic

In Nolan's world Clay Face would probably be a Lon Chaney "man of a thousand faces type, quick change artist type". The morphing aspect of the character would probably be abandoned sadly.

 

[Figs]

In Nolan's world Clay Face would probably be a Lon Chaney "man of a thousand faces type, quick change artist type". The morphing aspect of the character would probably be abandoned sadly.

That's what I wouldn't want to see. If they can't find a non cheesy way of doing the monster style Animated Series version of Clayface, I wouldn't care to see him on the big screen at all then.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I love this realism debate. Come on, what else can we discuss to fit into Nolan's bat-verse.

 

[sasquatchs]

Men in leotards

 

[fcrowelle06]

I love this realism debate. Come on, what else can we discuss to fit into Nolan's bat-verse.

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How about we discuss Robin's realism and how he would fit into Nolan's worldt:

 

[sasquatchs]

How about, what kind of person would work for the Joker? Possibly they don't understand him or know what he's capable of

 

[CaptainClown]

Well if you need money, or if you admire him or if he scares you so much that you would rather be at the side of the devil then in his path

 

[gwynplaine]

The Manson Family. That's what the Joker should have, a "Family" like Charlie.

 

[fcrowelle06]

Holmes For Wonder Woman Role???
Date: August 16, 2007

By: Ryan 'The Rican with the Irish name' McLelland
Source: Star Pulse


Please Lord. Please let it not be true!

Let me get down on both knees. Lord? Ryan here.

I've sat through some bad comic book movies. I have. But now comes the news that Katie Holmes wants to be Wonder Woman? Do producers really have any brains or are they really just humoring Mrs. Cruise?

I love Batman Begins but every time I saw her face on screen I swear it was going to DROOP off. Then they dropped her from the sequel and I was happy. I rejoiced. I said thank you onto the Lord and all was well.

What is the news that came out?

Well it seems that Katie headed home to have a secret meeting with her agents and producers about starring in the big-screen version of the popular ‘70s television series Wonder Woman. “Katie apparently didn’t want Tom to be a part of the discussions,” the source tells Star magazine.

The movie version of Wonder Woman has been bouncing around Hollywood for years, but with the success of Spider-Man, Transformers and other blockbusters based on cartoons and toys, it’s been moved to the front burner.

“The movie’s only at the discussion state, but Katie feels this role as a kick-ass superhero will put her back in the public eye,” the source says. “She wants to show her stuff, and she wants to prove that she can stand on her own two feet without Tom’s help. Tom, at times, feels compelled to oversee Katie’s career, but Katie is bent on doing this alone. She actually scheduled the meeting when she knew Tom wasn’t going to be able to be there.” Cruise has been filming the WWII themed Valkyrie in Berlin since July.

Please excuse the "Katie said this Tom said that" quotes but this did come from a tabloid magazine. You know what? I believe the tabloids most of all!

So Lord...if you are out there. I'd rather die, go to hell, and watch Batman & Robin, Tank Girl, and Spider-Man 3 over and over for INFINITY then let Holmes get this role. She's like what? 5 foot nothing? 8 pounds?

If she walked up trying to stop me I'd laugh at her. Then tell her to go buy a new outfit because the "big girl Wonder Woman bust" is falling off of her. I wouldn't even fire my gun at her, I'd take one well placed throw at her head WITH THE GUN and knock her out. My grandma Flo would kick the crap out of Wonder Woman Katie.

But that's just my two cents. Seriously? Is Jessica Biel really not available!?!?!? Charlize Theron??? I mean Sandra Bullock is 190 years old now but she's still sexy!!! Producers please call me ASAP so we can talk some real casting!

........ thERE's genuine shock on my face from reading this, yes I know this is off topic, but can this be real?

 

[CaptainClown]

katie?/ wonderwoman??

 

[Mr. Socko]

Where's this from?

Can't be true!

 

[fcrowelle06]

While I give her props for "standing up to her man".....can this really be real?

 

[fcrowelle06]

OH MY GOD!!!, yeah guys I found this...and i think it's accurate

 

[CaptainClown]

scientology needs to give her back her brain...sigh now time to go buy more comics

 

[fcrowelle06]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Stupid Stupid Producers

 

[bobguy64]

Jeeez, no.

She's soooo bad.



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[TromaFreak64]

We are off topic now...

Mr. Freeze, I heard one take on him before, what does anyone else think of him appearing?

 

[fcrowelle06]

There Are Joker Stills In The Tdk Forum, Evrybody Move From This Thread To See

 

[DarkSuperman]

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How about we discuss Robin's realism and how he would fit into Nolan's worldt:

Robin could still work. In some countries children fight in wars along side adults. Besides, Dick Grayson is not your average child. He was highly capable and smarter than most adults. It's not so far fetched that batman would train him gradually in martial arts then have him do stuff like surveillance then move into shadowing, etc, etc,

The better he gets, the more responsibility batman would place on him. Batman wouldn't let him do anything that he wasn't ready for. Not to mention He would most likely be there every step of the way in case he got in over his head. More than likely he'd prove he doesn't need batman's help as much as he thought.

Furthermore Dick should be portrayed as someone who would've went out and been a vigilante anyway, just that under batman its more disciplined.

 

[GoogleMe94]

i think this new series of films is good, but i still wish nolan would get off his high horse of realism and start adding in more fantastical elements. i mean like REAL iconic moments, something you would see in spiderman films or in either of the tim burton batman films. useing the bat motif alot. i just wish nolans batman had an iconic look. but it seems like nolan cares more about the story then he does the action, which isnt a BAD thing, but cmon when it all comes down to it, its a comic book movie and ppl want to see some awsome action and great visuals, with the story just helping to support the action.

for me, burton struck the right balance of realism and fantasy. something which nolan should maybe try to do in the new films. he can still have his "vision" for the character, but strike the right balance.