I don't think that's the same. Visual aesthetic ties into the tone, but it's something on it's own.
I'll just leave it there then.
Firstly, because such a distillation didn't entirely undermine the character of Scarecrow. It would entirely undermine the Joker. Not to mention there was no real time for Scarecrow to assemble an actual costume in BEGINS (though it seems he won't have enhanced his look in THE DARK KNIGHT).
Scarecrow had all the time in the world to pick whatever costume Nolan thought was fitting. Batman put together his entire deal in the same time. That's separate from the fact that the distilling of his visuals is possible because of the advantages of the film performance. A similar treatment of Joker would have been fitting. Admittedly, he has a number of elements to consider but from what we see there has not been a single visual from the comic left unreferenced. That is out of place.
Yes. But the Joker is meant to be extraordinary even among the rogue's gallery. Now in the comics, that's only been an abstract concept, since all the rogues are so colorful. But now Nolan can make a visual distinction as well, which even further ties into the theme of "escalation" - theatricality gone wild.
Extraordinary
looking among the rogue's gallery? In his words, in his sense of humor, in his actions, and in his capacity for brutality, yes. In his look, no. His IBIHDT face already made the star villain extraordinary in a fitting way. His face, one's identity, already looked extraordinary. That face on Gotham News would have had impact. The comic wrapper tells you nothing more about the character. At the showdown throw in a purple shirt for the reference, a battered suit coat, maybe a green flower on the lapel and let the actor and the film show you the rest. It has always been Joker's actions that separate him from the other villains.
Regardless of what clothes Joker wears I imagine Scarecrow will look like a run of the mill street punk by the end of TDK.
And lest we forget, Nolan has made quite a few adjustments to the Joker's look.
Nothing has been excluded though, has it?. The few adjustments made are only important in how the look came to be. I'm assuming you mean the issues with his face. The scar, the facepaint, and the lipstick? It still equals the smile, the white skin, and the red lips from the comic look. The clothing is virtually identical.
The visual look has to be informed by the character. What would this character really wear, if he was looking at a closet? Well, Scarecrow's not necessarily going to pick out a really extravagant costume, especially given the background he was in BEGINS.
But Joker? He's probably going to pick up a bunch of vintage clothing, in order to accentuate his clown-like look.
For the sake of argument I'll point out that I think we are going to see a guy giving such a true depiction of a psychotic breakdown that making the effort of assembling such elaborate duds would be beyond him.
Again, I have no problem with Joker's accouterments in the comic. I think they make for great stuff. I just don't think they fit in this film. The power of that laugh on film is going to tell you so much more than a few hahahas scribbled in the background of a frame. Stuff like that can take the place of insanely colored clothes and joybuzzers.
Nice detail. I didn't know that. Makes me love it even more. Seems the Joker's knowledgable about clown history.
I think it's great as well. If it were in a different movie.
What changes it for me from cartoony to realistic is the quality. These look like real clothes that you could find in a thrift shop or elsewhere. The B89 Joker clothes looked like reject piles from a high school musical or something of the sort.
Bah. You could spend a year in thrift shops and never find anything even close to this hideousness. Let alone with the matching hideousness.
I don't understand what 360sculptguy is even arguing. That Joker shouldn't wear bright colors because everyone else has subdued costumes? I may have expected something a little less garish than the usual Joker from Nolan, but how does his costume stray from the world exactly?
Joker's the perfect candidate for something apart from everything else. While the other villains are content to hide their schemes, Joker is trying to make a vivid public statement in front of Gotham
I've said it a number of ways but I'll try another one. Some will say Joker needs all the crazy clothes to reinforce his clown obsession. His clothes don't show a clown obsession, if anything they just show a preference for purple. They aren't polka dotted with a big frilly collar and giant red shoes. They are just suits, that are purple. His face was what gave birth to the clown obsession. That was in his mind. Played out in his cheap gags and warped sense of humor. The face and the physical change forced on it dictates everything else about him. I expected
everything else to be reduced to a subtle nod. I expected, like with the scarecrow, that the visual source of Joker's power, the symbol of the moment his insanity exploded, his traumatized face, would be the prominent visual in Nolan's world. I didn't expect all the unnecessaries. Scarecrow was reduced to the mask that is empowered only by the fears of his victims.
I think we are getting the usual Joker in characterization. It is the inclusion of every visual gimmick from a different artform that will prove to be heavy handed, redundant, and not in keeping with the paired down aesthetic of the previous film.
Never said that he stood out because of color, in what way they stand out doesn't matter, they're not supposed to be consistent with the rest of the world
I think what way Joker stands out is very important. Thats half my point. His look in the comic isn't that unusual when you start looking at the breadth of other villains. It has always been his brand of humor, his enjoyment of brutality, his intelligence, and his psychotic obsession with Batman that have given him prominence as the arch-nemesis. It isn't his friggin coat. Why then should it be such a big deal to remove those unessential visual elements to keep consistent with Begins.
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