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**** Whedon's Runaways.
Amen
**** Whedon's Runaways.
There's a pretty big disconnect between the two. I just look at it like Chase got over it and moved on in the time between the two runs. Other than that, Nico's still a ****, Molly's still annoying, Karolina's still wishy-washy about everything, Xavin's still a dick, and Victor's still cooler than all the others put together. I don't see too huge a difference in anyone other than Chase.
Mostly because of Alphona's art, and Vaughan told good stories with the kids, even if I wasn't particularly fond of most of them. I don't like many teenage characters in general. Karolina's not bad, though. She just perpetually seems completely unsure of what she wants. I liked Chase when Vaughan was writing him. Gert was great. I miss her.![]()
Dude, Xavin's a dick. He's bossy and obnoxious. Yes, he was trying, but he's still bossy and obnoxious, which is dickish to me. That said, even though he's a dick, I like him more than Nico and Molly.
I don't really hate any of the characters, though. They're kids doing what kids do, and they all felt pretty authentic under Vaughan. They've either changed a bit or just become completely locked into static facsimiles of their Vaughan characterizations under Whedon, possibly because Whedon doesn't want to disrespect Vaughan or something, but I don't think that's as horrible as you do, obviously. At the end of the day, the book still works under Whedon for me. Not as well, but it works.
That's not the same thing at all. The Muslim guy's still in his own society, where that's entirely permissable. If the Muslim guy--who's most likely heard about America and knows that there are differences between it and his society--came to America and complained about how women didn't know their place and weren't dressed appropriately because they weren't in burkas, that would be more like Xavin's deal. It's a class difference, really, since we know all Skrulls aren't like Xavin. Xavin's a high-born prince and respected warrior where he comes from, so he's bossy and overbearing. He's used to people bowing and scraping around him. He came to Earth and expected the same from the Runaways--even though he, like all Skrulls, probably knows at least a little about Earth and its societies.That's like labeling a Muslim male a dick because you don't think he should stand by while the women in his society have to wear burkas. Xavin's from a different world, literally. He's rough around the edges by our standards, but the fact that he's willing and trying to fit in speaks volumes about his character.
I don't really see anything particularly stereotypical about them that wasn't there before. Could you give me an example other than Chase, whom I already agree with you on?
That's not the same thing at all. The Muslim guy's still in his own society, where that's entirely permissable. If the Muslim guy--who's most likely heard about America and knows that there are differences between it and his society--came to America and complained about how women didn't know their place and weren't dressed appropriately because they weren't in burkas, that would be more like Xavin's deal. It's a class difference, really, since we know all Skrulls aren't like Xavin. Xavin's a high-born prince and respected warrior where he comes from, so he's bossy and overbearing. He's used to people bowing and scraping around him. He came to Earth and expected the same from the Runaways--even though he, like all Skrulls, probably knows at least a little about Earth and its societies.
Still, I conceded that he's gotten better. I agree, his trying to mesh with the others better is a pretty good trait.
Zahvin.
I always thought Molly was a stereotype, even under BKV. She's young and cute, so of course she gets the oh-so-ironic power of being super-strong, like every child-who-turns-out-to-be-a-badass stereotype. But she falls asleep afterwards 'cause she's so widdle an' cyoot! She's pretty much always just been there to add some humor through her youthful naivete. That's pretty much why I've hated her since the first arc.
The one arc I liked Molly in was the one where she was stuck with the other kids and didn't act like such a 'tard. Other than that, she's just been annoying and stereotypically little girlish, at least as much as Nico's a stereotypical goth or Chase is a stereotypical jock under Whedon to me.
I think that fits pretty well with the character. He's a bit detached from the other Runaways as the late addition, plus he met all of these people when they were trying to kill him. He knows that deep down, somewhere, all of them are still wary of him because they think he could still wind up turning evil. I very much doubt I could mesh as well with a group if I had it in the back of my mind that they'd all kill me if they had to.
Yeah, but I don't know how that could work until, like, 15 years from now when he's supposed to betray them. He'd have to not betray them at that point to really eliminate the thought from their minds, since the prophecy will always be hanging over them, making them wonder.