The Runaways Thread

[Specter313]

ummm Young X-men was a good story, but it was "inbetween" 2 good arks, and was actually kinda weak and "out there", Spidey had F'd up stories during that time period. The writer didnt matter.

Wolverine was kinda boring too but i actually enjoyed ramos's art in it.

so your point is mute. I know i for one have never boughten a comic just because the writer.

How is my point "mute", the word is "moot" by the way, just because YOU have never bought a comic for a writer? Just because you haven't doesn't mean that plenty of others don't. Anyway, you're the one who brought up that the titles were going through a "writing slump", so if you're going to turn around and say that, it seems more like your point is the one that is moot. Why is Young X-Men now in this discussion? Guggenheim is writing it now, but Ramos, the point of discussion, is not doing the art for that. Anyway, of all those titles, at least half or three quarters were going through anything but a "slump", so the art was at least some kind of a factor in how the sales turned out. I've never said that Ramos was the sole deciding factor in it, but it's almost foolish to say that he didn't play some part.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

How is my point "mute", the word is "moot" by the way, just because YOU have never bought a comic for a writer? Just because you haven't doesn't mean that plenty of others don't. Anyway, you're the one who brought up that the titles were going through a "writing slump", so if you're going to turn around and say that, it seems more like your point is the one that is moot. Why is Young X-Men now in this discussion? Guggenheim is writing it now, but Ramos, the point of discussion, is not doing the art for that. Anyway, of all those titles, at least half or three quarters were going through anything but a "slump", so the art was at least some kind of a factor in how the sales turned out. I've never said that Ramos was the sole deciding factor in it, but it's almost foolish to say that he didn't play some part.

you bring up writers as if just because a known writer is writing it, suddenly means what they churn is good. And it doesn't. The archs that Ramos did in half of those, were either "between major archs as a side filler story (see Young X-men) or completely bad... (spectacular spider-man)

 

[Star]

I'd still just like to punch Ramos in the face and/or cut off his hands so I'll never have to deal with him taking over any of my favourite books again. I literally refuse to buy anything with his name on it. It's just my choice though--his art makes me want to throw up a little because I just can't stand his style.

 

[El Bastardo]

So, like - and I deliberately begin it this way - when the run starts, are you going to stop posting in the thread, or will you still be complaining about the art of a title you're not reading?

 

[fifthfiend]

I will, but only cause you asked so nicely.

 

[El Bastardo]

Yay. <3

 

[Star]

I will download it and read it, but I will of course hate the art. I don't intend to give any cash to Marvel for hiring Ramos...again.

Maybe the story will be so amazingly kick ass that I can look past the art (probably not)

 

[El Bastardo]

Wow.

 

[Star]

What's so hard about it for you to understand that I love Runaways but I hate Ramos?

 

[El Bastardo]

I wasn't commenting on that at all.

 

[Specter313]

you bring up writers as if just because a known writer is writing it, suddenly means what they churn is good. And it doesn't. The archs that Ramos did in half of those, were either "between major archs as a side filler story (see Young X-men) or completely bad... (spectacular spider-man)

I never brought up writers at all, that was you. I was talking about Ramos and art, never mentioned writers at all until you stuck your nose in. I also never said that just because a famous writer was writing a story that it was good, I said that because a famous writer was on it, people would be more likely to buy it. Again, the writer's notability and the quality of what they write was never tied together by me, that was you, yet again. Stop throwing what you say onto me. And another yet again, WHY are you bringing up Young X-Men when he has NEVER DRAWN AN ISSUE OF THAT BOOK? Even if you do mean New X-Men, that still doesn't fit as the Messiah Complex issues were not a "side filler story".

 

[Underclass]

Hmm, not the total disaster I was expecting from Ramos, but it's hardly good artwork. If Moore's writing is good, and if it isn't it'll be bucking a ten year trend, the artwork looks just about acceptable to me, but then I'm never as fussy about art as I am about writing. Still, I don't think Ramos is the man for the job. I'd like to see Roger Cruz, I liked what he did on X-Men: First Class and think it would transfer very easily to Runaways. I'd also love to see Moore draw it himself, but not if that means slowing down his work on Echo, which gets better with every issue. I'll pick the first issue any way, out of loyalty to Moore and to Runaways if nothing else.

 

[Underclass]

On closer inspection this is extremely poor. I hate how human Xavin looks, I hate how Victor looks, I hate how Chase looks, especially when Ramos draws him with his lower lip stuck out, something Alphona did brilliantly, I hate how Nico looks and I HATE Klara's smile in the last panel. Not seeing enough of Molly of Karolina really to judge, but Mollyon the cover, with her underwear showing is a bit creepy, I think.
I'll pick up the first issue...

 

[Dread]

On closer inspection this is extremely poor. I hate how human Xavin looks, I hate how Victor looks, I hate how Chase looks, especially when Ramos draws him with his lower lip stuck out, something Alphona did brilliantly, I hate how Nico looks and I HATE Klara's smile in the last panel. Not seeing enough of Molly of Karolina really to judge, but Mollyon the cover, with her underwear showing is a bit creepy, I think.
I'll pick up the first issue...

I've heard of 5 Stages of Grief, but are there also Five Stages to Accepting Ramos Art?

 

[Manic]

1. Denial
"It's just a few online preview pages. I can't be that bad once I buy the actual book."

2. Forced Enjoyment
"The art ain't so bad. I mean, it has its own charm. Right?"

3. B****ing/Moaning
"Arrrgghhh! I hate this art so much! I don't know why I even bother reading this book! Why couldn't they get someone better? UGGGHHH!"

4. Abstinence
"Screw it. I'm not buying anything with this jerk's pencils in it."

5. Caving In For The Writer/Fear of Cancellation
"Eh. I like this book too much to let the art bother me. Besides, it's written so damn well."



Not many books are lucky enough to get their fans to stage 5, though.

 

[Dread]

1. Denial
"It's just a few online preview pages. I can't be that bad once I buy the actual book."

2. Forced Enjoyment
"The art ain't so bad. I mean, it has its own charm. Right?"

3. B****ing/Moaning
"Arrrgghhh! I hate this art so much! I don't know why I even bother reading this book! Why couldn't they get someone better? UGGGHHH!"

4. Abstinence
"Screw it. I'm not buying anything with this jerk's pencils in it."

5. Caving In For The Writer/Fear of Cancellation
"Eh. I like this book too much to let the art bother me. Besides, it's written so damn well."



Not many books are lucky enough to get their fans to stage 5, though.

True.

 

[Ion Kenshin]

1. Denial
"It's just a few online preview pages. I can't be that bad once I buy the actual book."

2. Forced Enjoyment
"The art ain't so bad. I mean, it has its own charm. Right?"

3. B****ing/Moaning
"Arrrgghhh! I hate this art so much! I don't know why I even bother reading this book! Why couldn't they get someone better? UGGGHHH!"

4. Abstinence
"Screw it. I'm not buying anything with this jerk's pencils in it."

5. Caving In For The Writer/Fear of Cancellation
"Eh. I like this book too much to let the art bother me. Besides, it's written so damn well."



Not many books are lucky enough to get their fans to stage 5, though.

That's Great

 

[Shifty]

Well what's the verdict for #1? I just have to read Whedon's book but Ramos' art doesn't have me looking forward to reading the new volume.

 

[Specter313]

The art is still horrid, and for those wondering if the story is strong enough to make up for it? It's not. Not yet at least. A lot of the characterization is really off, the only ones he seems to get right are Molly and Klara, the latter of which is still a pretty big blank slate so he can get away with more on her. Chase has reverted back to his old idiot self again, Xavin inexplicably seems to want to stay in his male human form even though Whedon's arc pretty much showed that he seems to prefer his female human for, especially for Karolina. Speaking of her, she's barely in the issue even though this big supposed threat is obviously supposed to center around her. Nico and Vic are just there and don't really do anything of note either. A rather poor start for such a highly publicized restart.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope Klara dies. As bad as Molly was, Klara's even worse.

 

[CBG]

Someone get Vaugh back on the book.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Moore and Ramos just don't have the quality to keep this book alive. Everyone was vastly out of character from the last time we saw them spare Molly and Klara.

Oh, I'd glad accept Whedon and his lateness back and trust me. I didn't like his run as much as I did Vaughn's stuff. He did nothing overly special with the kids.

 

[Underclass]

I'm actually satisifed. The art is poor, but not so poor that I can't look past it. As long as I don't pay much attention to annoying smiles, eyes on the wrong part of the face and Nico's breasts being a different shape and size in every panel it's not too bad. As for the characterisation being off, bear in mind Moore started writing this long before Wheedon's run ended, so he can't be held responsible for the changes made there. As for him not having the quality to sustain the title, rubbish. He's one of the most talented writers and artists in comics at the minute. Ramos is a hindrance, I have no trouble agreeing with that, I'll champion the cause in fact. Moore is using the first issue to set the scene for the arc, that's fine. Refamiliarise the audience with the status quo and don't give anyone treading warily so much that they'll feel likethey're missing out and won't toher picking up #2. Conservative, but better that writers who try to stamp the franchise with all they've got as soon as their foot's in the door. Moore's writing rewards patience, take a look back at the early Strangers in Paradise issues, he brought them amazingly far once he got a hold of them. He'll do the same thing here if he's given the chance. Vaughan can't stay on Runaways forever, unless we want him to quit Ex machina and never write anything new. It's marvel's responsibility to look after the franchise. Wheedon's would have been a great stop-gap if he didn't take three or four months between issues. Ramos is the wrong man for the art, but I have faith in Moore (there are some nice moment here) and have seen enough to stick with the title for now.

 

[bengan]

i really liked it and the art was surprisingly good. i've always been a Ramos-hater, but this arc may change my mind.

 

[Dread]

Yeah, I disliked Klara. She was nothing more than Whedon's Mary Sue type character saddled onto future writers. While being a blank slate has some advantages, she is a one-note gag. "Heavens, I am from 1908 and things from 2008 surprise me!" It is funny the first few times, but Whedon all but ran it into the ground after only 6 issues.

So far, the verdict has been lukewarm and I am not regretting cutting off after YA/RUNAWAYS:SI is finished. Strangely, the relaunched #1 issue seemed to be going off the shelf faster at my LCS than past issues, even from Whedon. Granted, #1's usually do that.

Frankly, in the 14-15 months between Vaughan's last arc and now, Marvel has a lot more good books for me to cling to. I can let RUNAWAYS slide rather than taint my memory of the franchise any more.