The Wolverine The Stealth Express of Doom News & Discussion Thread: - Part 5

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A quickie cameo here would have helped answer this question for me as well. They never explained why Logan was there in the well in the first place. I just assumed he got captured either by accident or on purpose for some undisclosed reason.

By the way, has this film had a great opener money wise? I just don't want it to fail even though I wasn't blown away by it. :(


I Was guessing he was prisoner locked in the well (super chained and stuff). Perhaps some one in charge knew what he could do, and his claws could not get him out of that. (or Logan did not really care).


My only confusion is/was and perhaps I missed something..

Viper put that little robot thing onto Logan's heart to weaken his healing abilities.. to make him easier to capture (this is what she said to Ninja guy).

So.. I assume (because it showed it in his dream) she "drugged" him with her venom and then (I assume) put this thing in side him... so... if he was "out" while she did this why not capture him then and there while he is unconscious.
 
Chris Claremont, Writer of The Wolverine’s Classic Comics, Critiques the New Film


So, what did you think of the movie?
The first two acts were kick-ass, and they set this up to be a really exceptional, different movie. It was like the film took this giant step forward. I liked that it focuses on the essence of who Wolverine is and what he does. Hugh Jackman is eloquent, and he owns the character at this point. It’s a surprisingly multidimensional performance. The third act wasn’t bad, per se, but it was a different tone. That moment he starts motorcycling up the 400 kilometers … he was almost riding into a different movie. It would be interesting to talk to Mangold and ask why they felt they had to go in that direction.

Maybe it was the usual Hollywood problem of too many cooks in the kitchen.
When you’re spending $100-plus million dollars, you need to give the audience what they want. The advantage of doing a comic that, over four issues, costs maybe $25,000 to produce, is you can blindside them with something that makes them say, “Holy ****.”

I feel like everyone died three times.
Well, there is that. The end sort of turned into stuff we’ve all seen before. It just started throwing superhero tropes against the wall: the Yakuza against Wolverine, the Viper imprisoning Wolverine, the Silver Samurai cutting off Wolverine’s claws. The point is not how many artful ways can he cut someone to shish kebab. There was no moment of emotional punch to match, say, Tony Stark watching what he thinks is Pepper Potts’s death in the third Iron Man. That’s a moment. There should have been one in this, but everybody was on the sidelines. There should have been more direct involvement with Mariko. The problem with that superhero silliness, I’m sitting there thinking, What’s Viper there for? And what exactly does her venom do? People go all bubbly and collapse? I wanted a moment of choice for the characters in that scene in the castle. That sort of got lost in all the running and jumping and hitting.

It’s a perfectly fine summer movie. I went into it hoping for a lot more. This is a story that [producer] Lauren Shuler Donner has wanted to tell for sixteen years, as long as I’ve known her, and that I’ve wanted to tell a lot longer. The challenge always is, when a film goes from concept to execution, it evolves depending on who is directing and who’s writing. As the creator of source material — corporate-owned source material that’s being developed by a rival corporation, no less — I have no say.

http://www.vulture.com/2013/07/chris-claremont-reviews-wolverine-movie.html?mid=twitter_vulture
 
I Was guessing he was prisoner locked in the well (super chained and stuff). Perhaps some one in charge knew what he could do, and his claws could not get him out of that. (or Logan did not really care).


My only confusion is/was and perhaps I missed something..

Viper put that little robot thing onto Logan's heart to weaken his healing abilities.. to make him easier to capture (this is what she said to Ninja guy).

So.. I assume (because it showed it in his dream) she "drugged" him with her venom and then (I assume) put this thing in side him... so... if he was "out" while she did this why not capture him then and there while he is unconscious.
I was actually wondering if she wasn't really there and that the 'bug' was delivered via the tea (I seem to recall it having a distinctive green steam rising from it - and so she may have been a hallucination caused by whatever toxin she put in it as well)

Just my own speculation, though.
 
Chris Claremont, Writer of The Wolverine’s Classic Comics, Critiques the New Film




http://www.vulture.com/2013/07/chris-claremont-reviews-wolverine-movie.html?mid=twitter_vulture

Pretty much exactly how I felt. Nothing in this movie matched the emotional climax of the Shingen vs. Wolverine fight in the comics. That was, and still is, my favorite Wolverine moment.

Again, this is still a very good film, it's just too bad they sacrificed a possible climax with more substance for a climax that was more visually spectacular.
 
I was actually wondering if she wasn't really there and that the 'bug' was delivered via the tea (I seem to recall it having a distinctive green steam rising from it - and so she may have been a hallucination caused by whatever toxin she put in it as well)

Just my own speculation, though.

I guess it is as a good explanation as any :)

Though why Logan would Dream/hallucinate about Viper.. guess he is a suspicious guy, even in his sleep.
 
A quickie cameo here would have helped answer this question for me as well. They never explained why Logan was there in the well in the first place. I just assumed he got captured either by accident or on purpose for some undisclosed reason.

By the way, has this film had a great opener money wise? I just don't want it to fail even though I wasn't blown away by it. :(

I don't think there was any reason to bring Sabertooth into it, even for a cameo. He wasn't part of this story, and then they'd have to explain where he went after that.

It didn't have a great opening in the US (it made $55 million, and they were projecting $60-$70 million), but it's doing much better overseas. It's fairly low-budget for a superhero him (around $120 million), so it's going to be fine.
 
I don't think there was any reason to bring Sabertooth into it, even for a cameo. He wasn't part of this story, and then they'd have to explain where he went after that.

It didn't have a great opening in the US (it made $55 million, and they were projecting $60-$70 million), but it's doing much better overseas. It's fairly low-budget for a superhero him (around $120 million), so it's going to be fine.
At least it's made its money. I want them to make more of these movies and keep it going, even if I like some better than others. :)
 
Chris Claremont interview

http://www.vulture.com/2013/07/chris-claremont-reviews-wolverine-movie.html


After the San Diego Comic-Con, I had a rental car, and I was giving people a lift up to Los Angeles. Frank [Miller] foolishly came with me, and we got stuck in a tailback on I-5. I had three and a half hours to pitch him. So I did — there were other people in the car, but tough. Frank had no interest in doing Wolverine just hacking and stabbing. It’s boring, and, frankly, I had no interest in doing that because I was already doing it in The X-Men. We wanted to show an aspect of him hadn’t been seen before, and that was built around the relationship between Logan and Mariko.
 
The BO was bound to be lower after how poor Origins was, hopefully the movie will have good legs.
 
Depends on which way you start. If you start with the feet, there is a strong chance. :cwink:

I've never heard of a girl with a foot fetish for dudes! :oldrazz:

Can't help but think of the bath scene with Wolverine insisting 'he can get that bit himself'. lol

Haha!...wait! :wow: Those two women, did Jen and Squeek get jobs on the movie and didn't tell us? :woot:
 
I've never heard of a girl with a foot fetish for dudes! :oldrazz:



Haha!...wait! :wow: Those two women, did Jen and Squeek get jobs on the movie and didn't tell us? :woot:
You know what they say about big feet.... big claws. :wolverine
 
The Wolverine Is This Summer’s Bechdel-Friendly Blockbuster

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“Logan is retreating from all intimacy and is grieving for the death of the great woman in his life, so the idea of surrounding him with an incredibly interesting spectrum of strong females — this idea that almost everyone besides him in the film is female — was a real inspiration for this movie,” says Mangold. “I love the idea that structurally, this is Logan’s 8 1/2. It’s a very strong tableau of women — women with dark agendas, women with self-destructive agendas, women with protective agendas, dead women, alive women — who each are playing a different role.”

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http://www.vulture.com/2013/07/the-wolverine-movie-bechdel-test-female-characters.html

Has some additional comments from director James Mangold.
 
Was wolverine post X3 able to fully remember his past? I know in X2 he was still cloudy about it and Origins seem to be out of continuity.

He was able to remember all the way back to WW2 prior to himself in the weapons x program.
 
Was wolverine post X3 able to fully remember his past? I know in X2 he was still cloudy about it and Origins seem to be out of continuity.

He was able to remember all the way back to WW2 prior to himself in the weapons x program.

Some have pointed out they think he only truly remembers the whole WWII bit when he comes across the bunker with Mariko...either way he still remembers bits from his past. Just not all of it.
 
Mangold's twitter-limited response:

Y'ever see a movie amnesiac get shards of memory back? A lot of living & remembering between Origins & my film.

https://***********/mang0ld/status/361860747929731072
 
Mangold's twitter-limited response:



https://***********/mang0ld/status/361860747929731072

That's reasonable but they should have made it a bit more obvious he was just getting bits and pieces of his memory of that back. He seemed almost too familiar as opposed to a Jason Bourne type flashback effect. Even the scene where he stumbles on his own prison cell it seemed more like him reminiscing than being hit with that memory out of nowhere.
 
That's reasonable but they should have made it a bit more obvious he was just getting bits and pieces of his memory of that back. He seemed almost too familiar as opposed to a Jason Bourne type flashback effect. Even the scene where he stumbles on his own prison cell it seemed more like him reminiscing than being hit with that memory out of nowhere.

I wasn't completely sure myself if we the audience were just getting to see what happened or if Wolverine himself was recalling what we were being shown. It's something I'm going to have to take a closer look at, particularly Wolverine's reaction to remembering, in the next watch.
 
That's reasonable but they should have made it a bit more obvious he was just getting bits and pieces of his memory of that back. He seemed almost too familiar as opposed to a Jason Bourne type flashback effect. Even the scene where he stumbles on his own prison cell it seemed more like him reminiscing than being hit with that memory out of nowhere.

Because it hasn't been plainly obvious since the first film that Logan had flashbacks to his past?

He left town with Yukio because the cops were heading for the bar where he'd fought with the hunters. It didn't imply that he remembered exactly who Yashida was and where he knew him from just upon meeting Yukio. The full flashback that started the film was more for our benefit to set up the story.

He didn't seem to connect all of until he found the well.
 
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