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I don't understand Superman's origin story. Jor-El: "Why do Kryptonians refuse to heed my repeated warnings that our planet is doomed? BTW, let's have a baby." Months later: "Now that our planet is doomed as I predicted, what do we do with our baby?"
:lmao: That made me crack up. You know it takes 9 months for a human from conceiving until actual birth. Maybe for Kryptonians it's longer... A lot can happen in 9 months, y'know...
 
I don't understand Superman's origin story. Jor-El: "Why do Kryptonians refuse to heed my repeated warnings that our planet is doomed? BTW, let's have a baby." Months later: "Now that our planet is doomed as I predicted, what do we do with our baby?"
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It doesn't have to go in that order, you know. :oldrazz:

But doesn't it always go in that order? :)

Take Birthright: " I warned them, Lara. The building pressure at Krypton's core... the groundquake... my findings... all 'under advisement' by an administrative council of dismissive fools. By now, we should have a fleet of starcraft carrying us all to safety... instead of a single prototype barely large enough for our son."

How much time would it take for this lone, prophetic scientist to a) Discover this potentially cataclysmic phenomenon, verify the "building pressure" and present his "findings", AND b) Develop a prototype "starcraft" (the like of which apparently does not yet exist) for the purposes of planetary evacuation? Sound time-consuming to me! Plus, he seems to think that this baby-sized prototype could have been elaborated into a fleet of starcrafts capable of transporting the planet's entire population to safety (presumably, to another inhabitable planet)! Or was he completely mental?

At some point while working on all of this stuff, Jor-El had to have decided "The misses and I should have a baby." Unless there was some Maury Povich paternity drama. If it's the latter case, then we better see it in MOS!
 
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But doesn't it always go in that order? :)

Take Birthright: " I warned them, Lara. The building pressure at Krypton's core... the groundquake... my findings... all 'under advisement' by an administrative council of dismissive fools. By now, we should have a fleet of starcraft carrying us all to safety... instead of a single prototype barely large enough for our son."

How much time would it take for this lone, prophetic scientist to a) Verify the "building pressure" and present his "findings" and b) Develop a prototype "starcraft" (the like of which apparently does not yet exist) for the purposes of planetary evacuation? Sound time-consuming to me! Plus, he seems to think that this baby-sized prototype could have been elaborated into a fleet of starcrafts capable of transporting the planet's entire population to safety (presumably, to another inhabitable planet)! Or was he completely mental?

At some point while working on all of this stuff, Jor-El had to have decided "The misses and I should have a baby." Unless there was some Maury Povich paternity drama. If it's the latter case, then we better see it in MOS!

Prior to Byrne's birth matrix tech, pregnancy just happened. Proud papa Jor-el may have learned Krypton's fate while letting Lara dal with the 2:;37 am feedings.
 
But doesn't it always go in that order? :)

No. In Superman: The Animated Series, Kal-El was at least a year old before Jor-El discovered that the planet was about to blow up.

And even then: Lara could be pregnant with Kal-El at the same time Jor-El finds out the unstable core/supernova/whatever tickles Snyder's fancy.
 
But doesn't it always go in that order? :)

Take Birthright: " I warned them, Lara. The building pressure at Krypton's core... the groundquake... my findings... all 'under advisement' by an administrative council of dismissive fools. By now, we should have a fleet of starcraft carrying us all to safety... instead of a single prototype barely large enough for our son."

How much time would it take for this lone, prophetic scientist to a) Discover this potentially cataclysmic phenomenon, verify the "building pressure" and present his "findings", AND b) Develop a prototype "starcraft" (the like of which apparently does not yet exist) for the purposes of planetary evacuation? Sound time-consuming to me! Plus, he seems to think that this baby-sized prototype could have been elaborated into a fleet of starcrafts capable of transporting the planet's entire population to safety (presumably, to another inhabitable planet)! Or was he completely mental?

At some point while working on all of this stuff, Jor-El had to have decided "The misses and I should have a baby." Unless there was some Maury Povich paternity drama. If it's the latter case, then we better see it in MOS!

I'd say it goes like this:

Lara gets preggers and shortly after, some weird earthquake starts happening. Jor-el, a scientist, is unhappy with the way that the council is treating the earthquakes (basically dismissing them), and worried for his families future, he starts to conduct his own research for his own peace of mind.

Within a few months, he's discovered the horrible truth (krypton is doomed) and presented it to the council. But they have dismissed him still.

He then sets about building this prototype, out of his own money and materials, and in his own time. In THAT time, feesibly the entire of Krypton could have been working on a fleet of star ships to get their people to safety if they'd listened to him. If one man can build one ship, surely the planet could have sorted out a fleet of ships.

And then baby Kal-el is born. We have no idea how many months old he is by the time the ship is finished and the planet is doomed.

Seems alright to me :)
 
I swear, some people just won't be happy until every single aspect of the character and his origin are picked apart.
 
I'd say it goes like this:

Lara gets preggers and shortly after, some weird earthquake starts happening. Jor-el, a scientist, is unhappy with the way that the council is treating the earthquakes (basically dismissing them), and worried for his families future, he starts to conduct his own research for his own peace of mind.

Within a few months, he's discovered the horrible truth (krypton is doomed) and presented it to the council. But they have dismissed him still.

He then sets about building this prototype, out of his own money and materials, and in his own time. In THAT time, feesibly the entire of Krypton could have been working on a fleet of star ships to get their people to safety if they'd listened to him. If one man can build one ship, surely the planet could have sorted out a fleet of ships.

And then baby Kal-el is born. We have no idea how many months old he is by the time the ship is finished and the planet is doomed.

Seems alright to me :)


If we get to see Krypton in a sufficient amount of manner, I hope that they truly capitalize on the dramatic moment for when Jor-el and Lara are departing their child from their dying planet.

I mean, seeing two planets who know that they along with their entire race and planet are doomed to die while sending off their only child to a world that looks primitive when compared their own can be such a emotional moment.

Hell, I'm man enough to say that I shed a tear from seeing on how they executed the story line in Kung Fu Panda 2 in how Po was separated from his birth parents.
 
I swear, some people just won't be happy until every single aspect of the character and his origin are picked apart.
Eh, people just think it's cool to be hyper-critical on the internet. They want to be the discerning, learned observer. Really, they're just posers.
 
I'd say it goes like this:

Lara gets preggers and shortly after, some weird earthquake starts happening. Jor-el, a scientist, is unhappy with the way that the council is treating the earthquakes (basically dismissing them), and worried for his families future, he starts to conduct his own research for his own peace of mind.

I think your post covers it rather well... but that sentence just reeks of awkward :D

"Don't worry dear, those aren't kicks... they're earthquakes. All of Krypton feel it. There is no baby El."

Eh, people just think it's cool to be hyper-critical on the internet. They want to be the discerning, learned observer. Really, they're just posers.

That post was meant to be humourous though.
 
How come Krypton is so technologically advanced yet has no space travel again?
 
I always thought the sun exploding thing was discovered kinda last-minute.
 
I think your post covers it rather well... but that sentence just reeks of awkward :D

"Don't worry dear, those aren't kicks... they're earthquakes. All of Krypton feel it. There is no baby El."

:oldrazz:

I didn't even realise i'd written 'preggers', that was a bit 'chav from a council estate' of me :hehe:
 
hehehe...

Jor-El is awesome. I hope we get to see a more human side of him in MoS. His apperance in the pilot from STAS is still my favourite incarnation of the guy.

EDIT: But he's got nothing on Jonathan Kent.
 
How come Krypton is so technologically advanced yet has no space travel again?

1. Maybe the council put a ban on anyone using spaceships as a way of ensuring the public and populace that Krytpon wasn't going to blow up, thus forcing Jor-el to make his own independent ship for Clark

2. Zod or perhaps Brainiac (if he's revealed to have been behind it in a sequel) could have purposefully sabotaged that all known and public spaceships were indisposed so that no one else of their choosing could leave the planet.
 
In my head, I have this moment, where Jor-El has this horrific realization of his planet's face in his lab. He goes home to tell his wife, and she reveals that she's pregnant. His desire to save his family becomes frantic at this point.

A few ways to handle the space travel thing:
1) The explosion happens during a major festival and all the Kryptonians are on planet
2) Kal El's ship escapes, where others do not, because of an experimental drive of Jor-El divising
3) The Kryptonians do not have faster than light Space Travel... yet
4) Zod sabotages/hijacks the 'ark' that is supposed to save the Kryptonian race

There's different ways to do, but any combination of the above should work fine
 
Had a thought about how Kal-El's ship could be powered. Jor-El could launch his ship before the sun explodes. The massive energy from the explosion of the sun is what activates the "sun/light drive" in Kal-El's ship, and his ship
1) Goes into lightspeed; or,
2) Enters a wormhole.

The "sun/light drive" could be a design based on an artifact Kryptonians
found in some caves of Krypton. It would be discovered that Kryptons first
settlers were actually from another planet....Earth. :wow: :awesome:
They themselves escaped the planet before the ice age hit due to a massive
meteor/comet that hit Earth causing an explosion that generated enough
energy for them to escape and make it to what we all now know as Krypton.

Jor-El uses the calculations/coordinates to send Kal-El back to where the
"ancients" came from.

Just a thought. :cwink:
 
It explains the similarities, which I would like something for, honestly, but the "ancient astronauts" angle doesn't sit right with me, even if its a subverted version in which humans are the ones traveling elsewhere. It brings up a lot of questions about pre ice age technology that don't help the story of the film.
 
Just wanted to double check on something, but provided, IF in THIS film/story, we have Clark who's been proactively going out and saving people, albeit without showing himself, with his heroics inspiring people and the public creating urban legends about his mysterious heroics (albeit perhaps similar to what SV did) only to don the costume when Zod and co. start their invasion, how would you guys feel about that?

Strangely enough though, it wouldn't be the first time in Superman history where Clark didn't don the costume until after a certain event triggered him to. Case in point, I think int he Byrne Reboot, Clark donned the costume after having saved a crashing airplane while wearing his regular clothes, while Superman: Earth One showed Clark donning it after Earth was invaded.
 
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