The Story.

[Lily Adler]

Only one person that looks good in Avengers is Loki.

Well, of course along with being the God of Mischief he is also known for being quite the fashionista. Just like Clark. t:

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Pretty certain they are. As some of us have stated in the past. Nolans, Goyer and Snyder will probably taking inspiration from Last Son, Birthright, For All Seasons, Byrnes Man of Steel run, Secret Origins, and maybe a little stuff from Johns Braniac run.

I can definitely see The Nolans, Goyer, and Snyder using Last Son and Birthright as the major influences for this film. In fact, I hope rumors are true. It perfectly fits what Goyer and Nolan were pitching to WB for the 'modern' take on Superman.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I'm just guessing, but I reckon Superman will end up joining Zod and Co for a little while.

Cause you have to think, there is more to Superman than just saving the world from the likes of Darkseid!

One of the things I think and hope the movie will touch on, is Superman's struggle with the world of how it actually is. Clark was raised on a farm in a small and friendly town, so he would be kind of sheltered and bemused by how the world actually works. He wants to save and help us, he becomes Superman. But more than just helping a cat out of a tree and saving an old pensioner from being hit by a car...he wants to help and save society itself. We all know in the comics he jumps in to the chaos, does his thing and leaves...

Superman's 3 struggles in this movie should be 1) himself, 2) the villains, 3) society.

The conflict and struggle of helping a society where violence is part of everyday life, it's torture for a lot of people out there. People in those cases usually give up or go with the flow. Not Superman, he should be the inspiration of never giving up, even when all things seem hopeless.

But wouldn't it be interesting if Superman actualky DID give up on thinking he could save the world by installing light through darkness? Where his one last resort is to join Zod and turn Earth in to a "Utopia". Superman thinking that the only way to save people is take away their freedom, their will...controlling them like puppets? Superman being opposed by the untrusting forces and rejected by the unwilling...would he really do something that inhumane to save the world, knowing THAT is the ONLY way to save it?

We know he wouldn't, but it would be interesting if he pondered and accepted the idea, believing it to be for the greater good.

 

[Herolee10]

I'm just guessing, but I reckon Superman will end up joining Zod and Co for a little while.

Cause you have to think, there is more to Superman than just saving the world from the likes of Darkseid!

One of the things I think and hope the movie will touch on, is Superman's struggle with the world of how it actually is. Clark was raised on a farm in a small and friendly town, so he would be kind of sheltered and bemused by how the world actually works. He wants to save and help us, he becomes Superman. But more than just helping a cat out of a tree and saving an old pensioner from being hit by a car...he wants to help and save society itself. We all know in the comics he jumps in to the chaos, does his thing and leaves...

Superman's 3 struggles in this movie should be 1) himself, 2) the villains, 3) society.

The conflict and struggle of helping a society where violence is part of everyday life, it's torture for a lot of people out there. People in those cases usually give up or go with the flow. Not Superman, he should be the inspiration of never giving up, even when all things seem hopeless.

But wouldn't it be interesting if Superman actualky DID give up on thinking he could save the world by installing light through darkness? Where his one last resort is to join Zod and turn Earth in to a "Utopia". Superman thinking that the only way to save people is take away their freedom, their will...controlling them like puppets? Superman being opposed by the untrusting forces and rejected by the unwilling...would he really do something that inhumane to save the world, knowing THAT is the ONLY way to save it?

We know he wouldn't, but it would be interesting if he pondered and accepted the idea, believing it to be for the greater good.

It would be a pretty tricky scenario to pull off, especially in a way where Superman doesn't end up getting a bad rep from both viewers and fictional characters alike.

If they just have Superman standing around for awhile at first while Zod terrorized some of Earth's civilians, even one..and knew about it..then that right there would be a bad portrayal of Superman, since I believe that no matter what stage in Superman's life/journey, he would never be the type to condone someone hurting a innocent person if he knew about it.

If Zod and co. come in as a peaceful looking group that are able to trick Superman to thinking as such, then I could buy into the idea personally, but if it's well known to Superman on what zod is capable of doing and what he has done to Earth civilians alone..then Superman wouldn't really be Superman imho by even the core of the character if he still "temporarily" joined Zod.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

But wouldn't it be interesting if Superman actualky DID give up on thinking he could save the world by installing light through darkness? Where his one last resort is to join Zod and turn Earth in to a "Utopia". Superman thinking that the only way to save people is take away their freedom, their will...controlling them like puppets? Superman being opposed by the untrusting forces and rejected by the unwilling...would he really do something that inhumane to save the world, knowing THAT is the ONLY way to save it?

We know he wouldn't, but it would be interesting if he pondered and accepted the idea, believing it to be for the greater good.

Not to my taste personally.

Like you said, Clark Kent's lived a happy and sheltered life with people that love him. From his father, he's learned the importance of hard work, patience and persistence - and the value of freedom. Living off the land, not being bogged down by the greed, politics, war, and other evils of the world that are all around you in the city. From his mother he's learnt of the real warmth that is in some people. The affection, kindness etc.

So no matter how many awful things he sees, how much evil he faces, how many people oppose him - he'd never give up on humanity. He KNOWS the good is there. He KNOWS it's worth fighting for. He believes every single person on this earth deserves the life that he had growing up and he recognises how damn lucky he was to have it.

I just can't see, even for a second, him thinking that 'controlling people', forcing people by brute strength to do what you say, was even something he would ponder.

That's the kind of thing a characters considers a good option when he's come from a place of nothing but tragedy and despair. When all he's seen of the world is the greed, violence, corrupt politics and war, and having the power to make it all stop by force just seems the only logical way. Because they know nothing of the good sides of humanity.

Which is more what I think General Zod will be like in this film.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I agree. I wouldn't want him to join Zod, I was just wondering if it would be a possibility within the story that Superman felt there was no hope left in his own way of doing things, that he would turn to Zod for help.


Cause I know after reading a little interview in Playboy with Michael Shannon, Zod isn't going to show up on Earth and start causing trouble the way Stamp's Zod did. Krypton's old ways didn't work and Zod started the war to change the Planet for the better, in his eyes at least.

It COULD be possible that he convinces Superman to join him. But I'd like a scene where Superman rejects this offer. Then I'd imagine Zod would be disgusted and pee'd off that Superman prefers humans over his fellow Kryptonians

 

[Rodrigo90]

Double post :/

 

[hopefuldreamer]

The thing that confuses me about Shannon's description of his Zod not being 'all bad' is that we know he fights Jor-el... So he's a 'baddie' before he even gets to earth.

 

[Prime]

The thing that confuses me about Shannon's description of his Zod not being 'all bad' is that we know he fights Jor-el... So he's a 'baddie' before he even gets to earth.

I wouldn't read too much into what Shannon says at this point. Perhaps he will intentionally mislead interviewers until WB green-lights that he can make certain comments about it, when the marketing for the movie begins. But anyway, I would expect from an actor playing Zod to try and see him in a different light and even justify his actions. after all, Zod wouldn't think of himself as a all bad, he probably believes he is doing the right thing. I don't want Zod to be a one dimensional ´´evil guy`` parody. I like the fact that Shannon likes Zod. That would have made it easier for him to become the character rather than just play it.

Oh and the comments he made about Zod not being very scary, Im sure he is only being modest. Shannon is creepy even when he isn't trying to be.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Yeah. Did Bin Laden think himself bad when he was having people hijack planes and crashing them into buildings? No. He thought it was justifiable because of his beliefs about America. Hitler felt nothing about killing Jews, and calling his perfect world, a 'Super Race of people' or something.

People like that, even Zod, they cant see the wrong in evil actions, because to them, its simply their system of power and control.

 

[Herolee10]

The thing that confuses me about Shannon's description of his Zod not being 'all bad' is that we know he fights Jor-el... So he's a 'baddie' before he even gets to earth.

Maybe it's not a fight that's about good versus evil; maybe it's something like a fallout due to a disagreement, something like the struggle that Xavier had with Magneto in FC right before Erik accidentally deflected a bullet to Xavier's backbone.

 

[Binker]

I think it's like bare basics: Zod, while a villain, is a guy who lost his home, and wants it back. Just how I think Superman is, or at least should be, someone who wants to make sure Earth doesn't turn out like Krypton, inside and out.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Zod wants to take control of Earth and turn it into a new Krypton...Superman wants to make sure that doesn't happen. While trying to control Earth Zod also wants to destroy Superman

 

[Rust]

I imagine (or hope) that MOS will be less black and white about the characters than previous adaptations.

Zod might have a little in common with Watchmen's Ozymandias and possibly also a little nazism. Earth's primitive minions and their destructive ways will have to be controlled and examples will have to be set even if it means casualties in the thousands. In the name of peace, order and control.
Also added to this Zod would probably want vindication from a lost war and a lost homeworld as well as humiliation.

Superman probably wont be Batman, but he wont be the rather stereotypcial Donner-Superman either.
If MOS doesnt have a linear origin and if the movie opens with Clark being a young man I'd like it if we the audience are not completely sure of Clarke's motivations at first, JUST like I imagine the citizens of Smallville and Metropolis arent when they're first introduced to him.
I'd actually like to see him coming off as a little scary at first. Here's this anonymous stranger looking all scruffy with a beard and dirty clothes and having piercing eyes. And then in secret we see him displaying powers, but also holding back. Powers that only a god could have. Or an alien. An alien with powers capable of terrible destruction. Eyes glowing red.
Friend or foe?
Yeah, they should make him scary and mysterious at first.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

I think it's like bare basics: Zod, while a villain, is a guy who lost his home, and wants it back. Just how I think Superman is, or at least should be, someone who wants to make sure Earth doesn't turn out like Krypton, inside and out.

From what we heard, it's more like Zod is a refugee looking for other survivors.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Why do I get the feeling this is going to depict Krypton in not such a positive light? It seems the big thing anymore is making Krypton a totalitarian hellhole.

 

[Rodrigo90]

You see what I'm trying to figure out is...

If Zod starts a war on Krypton to change it for the better, then that means he won't be like Terrance Stamp's Zod, who wanted to rule Krypton out of his own lust for power. Which brings me to his fight with Superman...It would mean he doesn't fight Superman because he's trying to take over Earth...cause why would Zod care about Earth the way he did for Krypton? His only want for power was out of concern for Krypton...So what would bring him in to conflict with Superman. I hope he's not a menace just for the sake of it.

 

[protocida]

Because Earth needs to become New Krypton.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I guess. Zod does need a new home

 

[Herolee10]

So does anyone think that the world that MOS presents Superman in will actually be shown to have issues of its own where it contributes to a certain plot point of the story on how Superman's presence and actions ends up help uniting the people of Earth together like how that supposed plot synopsis that came out months ago alluded to?

 

[SpideyFan866]

I can definitely see The Nolans, Goyer, and Snyder using Last Son and Birthright as the major influences for this film. In fact, I hope rumors are true. It perfectly fits what Goyer and Nolan were pitching to WB for the 'modern' take on Superman.

They are true. Those books are the main influences.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Why do I get the feeling this is going to depict Krypton in not such a positive light? It seems the big thing anymore is making Krypton a totalitarian hellhole.

Krypton has never really been shown as positive, IMO. To start, you have Krypton's leaders who just let the planet explode and kill billions despite numerous warnings by Jor-El. Then you have criminals so bad they would destroy entire civilizations and must be imprisoned in an entire other dimension. There's more but you get my point.


Krypton really doesn't seem that pleasant to me.

 

[GreenKToo]

Maybe Zod fools the people of Earth ( and Superman ) into thinking he and his cohorts are friends. At first, things go great. He and his companions even help supes stop crime, disasters, etc etc, but things gradually change for the worse as Zod starts enforcing laws ''Batman style'', more out of boredom than anything else.

Supes tries to convince Zod to not be so heavy handed, but he fails. Supes is torn, but he knows what he must do.

Zod then decides to take over the goverments of the world since they obviously have no control over their citizens behavior, he will rule them all with an iron fist. Zod confronts supes, tells him his plan, and demands that he joins them. Thats when Supes says enough is enough.

 

[Rodrigo90]

That would be awesome, and it actually sounds like something that could happen.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Krypton has never really been shown as positive, IMO. To start, you have Krypton's leaders who just let the planet explode and kill billions despite numerous warnings by Jor-El.

It's not like they said "**** you, let it explode." They just didn't believe Jor-El.