The Strongest In The Marvel Universe?

[LouFerignoDemon]

Damn, I missed that one. >.<

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

He would be superior to BB. Yes. He has the entire Illuminati's abilities. How is that hard to understand? If he used it or not is the real question. I don't think he did since he didn't even know he was a Skrull. And I didn't state they were based on the entire Illuminati, "New Avengers: The Illuminati #5" did.

Once AGAIN: "Based on" does not mean "superior to" or even "equal to."
How is THAT hard to understand?

Time to read that book, son.

 

[DACMAN]

It has been well-established that each of the Super Skrulls abilities are more powerful than each of the FF's individual abilities yet they are still beating him like a drum.

Character, not simply power is at issue there, but judging from your posts, I'll bet that you don't understand that.

Are you man enough to admit that in the only 3 encounters between the REAL Black Bolt and the Hulk, that Black Bolt won each time?

After fighting through the entire Inhuman race. It was never one on one. Not to mention a weaker version of the HULK.

 

[DACMAN]

Once AGAIN: "Based on" does not mean "superior to" or even "equal to."
How is THAT hard to understand?

Time to read that book, son.

Marvel has said "equal to." And I'm saying superior because he had all the Illuminati's powers. How is that hard to understand? You think I need to read? How about a math book. One guy, plus five (six if you include Tony) equals a guy with at least five times the amount of power as the original BB. For a lot of trash talk you certainly don't cover yourself from looking like an idiot.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

So, that's a yes?

Black Bolt beat Hulk's @ss?

Since you say Hulk's strength is without limit, fighting someone before BB would be meaningless... using your own argument.

Therefore Black Bolt is martially superior, although not stronger than, the Hulk.

 

[Zenien]

After fighting through the entire Inhuman race. It was never one on one. Not to mention a weaker version of the HULK.

That's loltastic, but I'll let someone else with a better memory of the events bring up the truth. Marvel saying 'Equal to" is something I'd like to see cited.

 

[DACMAN]

So, that's a yes?

Black Bolt beat Hulk's @ss?

Since you say Hulk's strength is without limit, fighting someone before BB would be meaningless... using your own argument.

Therefore Black Bolt is martially superior, although not stronger than, the Hulk.

Putting words into peoples mouths is a sign of a lost arguement.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Marvel has said "equal to." And I'm saying superior because he had all the Illuminati's powers. How is that hard to understand? You think I need to read? How about a math book. One guy, plus five (six if you include Tony) equals a guy with at least five times the amount of power as the original BB. For a lot of trash talk you certainly don't cover yourself from looking like an idiot.

Now you are changing your story. (And I'll bet you're jumping up & down, too!)

YOU said "based on," now you've changed it to "equal to." Do you even know?

Trash talk? I'm not the infant telling people to suck it.

And your math analogy just shows your ignorance. I watched a guy (one 5'11" guy) fight 10 of our college's offensive line. They were all vastly larger and stronger than he. Several dislocated arms later, they ran from him. For a guy who purports to know martial arts you sure are clueless about what a real fight is...

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Putting words into peoples mouths is a sign of a lost arguement.

Yes, I've watched you do that for a while now.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Darn... chased away.

Look, DACMAN, I apologize for exposing your faulty logic and fanboyism.

I suddenly feel like a heel. Like a grown up picking on a 4 year old.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The Super Skrull originally could not match the Torch's nova flame. His powers at their ordinary level were inferior to the FF's but his powers could be augmented by beamed power from a satellite in Skrull space. The Super Skrull gets his powers from implanted technology since it is impossible for Skrull biology to be altered to gain powers.

The Hulk didn't drive the Surfer off either. The Surfer stopped when he realized the transformation was not working and while the Surfer was trying to figure out why, the Hulk ran away.

 

[Phenomenal]

the power of a million exploding suns would have atomized the planet not just broken it in half. Hell you could atomize the planet with far less than the power of ONE exploding sun.

Yeah too bad Sentry wasn't written to have that kind of power.

Marvel sure does love Hyperbole!

sentry should be vaporizing Earth with that kind of power unleashed.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Guys can I just but in and say your whole premise is wrong because if you are claiming that the BB Hulk fought was a skrull based on the recon in the illumunati that means that most of BB's fights in the past 20 years were done by a skrull and therefore this skrull beat Hulk a couple times before.

And by the way, this was rarely by strength and most of the time by using his voice.

You cannot have it both ways, if the WWH BB was a skrull then so was the BB we have seen in every comic for the past 20 years which means all of your comments are meaningless regarding the REAL BB. I am of a mind that this was the written as the real BB.

This does not mean I know how he was beaten by WWH but he was beaten by him eventhough their could have been some third party interference to enable the win (I was thinking advanced tech ear plugs).

 

[Zenien]

There's no proof of that. It's highly reasonable that the Black Bolt who fought the Hulk is the Skrull Blackbolt, given the short time frame between that event and Illuminati. I don't think it's having it both ways, I mean that last time we saw Blackbolt before he was shown in WWH he was imprisoned and his brother had taken control of the Inhumans. Something is amiss in that and it will no doubt be eventually be explained, but the odds of Blackbolt being replaced betwen being captured in WWH and the events of Illuminati seem sort of slim, don't you agree?

We don't know when Blackbolt was replaced, yet.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

There's no proof of that. It's highly reasonable that the Black Bolt who fought the Hulk is the Skrull Blackbolt, given the short time frame between that event and Illuminati. I don't think it's having it both ways, I mean that last time we saw Blackbolt before he was shown in WWH he was imprisoned and his brother had taken control of the Inhumans. Something is amiss in that and it will no doubt be eventually be explained, but the odds of Blackbolt being replaced betwen being captured in WWH and the events of Illuminati seem sort of slim, don't you agree?

We don't know when Blackbolt was replaced, yet.

Well I read somewhere it was during an event in the 70s....really this whole retconn and how everybody is using it to justify an event seems pretty ridiculous to me.

In WWH, BB was written as BB and not as a skrull impersonator. This whole retconn does not change he was beaten one way or another. Just as any character can be beaten if the writer and the editor in charge wants it so.

 

[Fading]

If you're trying to say Ahura that because the BB Hulk fought in WWH was a skrull that means that the BB of the last 20 years was a skrull, sry but that's very faulty logic.

Reason, why would Skrull replace a person they had never heard about? Obviously Blackbolt was Blackbolt, and did they things he did to earn his reputation as being that powerful, and what's more they learned he was in the illuminati. That is why they replaced him, because of the power they learned he had, and his place in such a powerful organization. It would make 0 sense to replace someone you had never met or heard of, unless their fortune tellers.

I agree with Zenien, there was a nice spot at the end of Silent War, and before WWH where BB could have been replaced. What's more, Silent War ends with BB in prison, and WWH picks up later with BB having Medusa at his side (who was his enemy earlier). It's logical that BB's brother knew BB had been replaced and sent him out there to get smashed by Hulk...who honestly knows.


Edit - BTW I already hate the whole invasion angle already for this. Making us wonder which retcons are coming, which characters really aren't who they are supposed to be, and doubting each and every event. Paranoia's one thing, changing continuity to fit one event is another.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

If you're trying to say Ahura that because the BB Hulk fought in WWH was a skrull that means that the BB of the last 20 years was a skrull, sry but that's very faulty logic.

Reason, why would Skrull replace a person they had never heard about? Obviously Blackbolt was Blackbolt, and did they things he did to earn his reputation as being that powerful, and what's more they learned he was in the illuminati. That is why they replaced him, because of the power they learned he had, and his place in such a powerful organization. It would make 0 sense to replace someone you had never met or heard of, unless their fortune tellers.

I agree with Zenien, there was a nice spot at the end of Silent War, and before WWH where BB could have been replaced. What's more, Silent War ends with BB in prison, and WWH picks up later with BB having Medusa at his side (who was his enemy earlier). It's logical that BB's brother knew BB had been replaced and sent him out there to get smashed by Hulk...who honestly knows.


Edit - BTW I already hate the whole invasion angle already for this. Making us wonder which retcons are coming, which characters really aren't who they are supposed to be, and doubting each and every event. Paranoia's one thing, changing continuity to fit one event is another.

I would just state that the way it was written was not to show a weaker BB, but to show one who used as much might as he was going to use (given he was fighting outside his home) and then lost.

This retconn does not invalidate that and it was most probably not Pak's intentions.

 

[shapeshifter]

Putting words into peoples mouths is a sign of a lost arguement.

and blind unyielding faith is a sigh of weakness.

 

[herakles]

After fighting through the entire Inhuman race. It was never one on one. Not to mention a weaker version of the HULK.

Excuses always Excuases when Hulk gets his A$$ BEAT!!

Just admit it that Hulk gets beat too!!

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

There's no proof of that. It's highly reasonable that the Black Bolt who fought the Hulk is the Skrull Blackbolt, given the short time frame between that event and Illuminati. I don't think it's having it both ways, I mean that last time we saw Blackbolt before he was shown in WWH he was imprisoned and his brother had taken control of the Inhumans. Something is amiss in that and it will no doubt be eventually be explained, but the odds of Blackbolt being replaced betwen being captured in WWH and the events of Illuminati seem sort of slim, don't you agree?

We don't know when Blackbolt was replaced, yet.

Apparently, it had been for a while. But obviously not -so- long that we don't really know who Black Bolt is.

 

[DACMAN]

Darn... chased away.

No, DACMAN had to go watch Live Free or Die Hard with the super hot mrs. Man I loved that fricken movie. Got the metal case one from Best Buy.

 

[dabig2]

All of BB's "wins" were more stuns anyways. It's not like BB's whispers ever beat him down in a major way that he was down and out of the equation.

Iron Man has a better claim to a better win over the Hulk back in the day than BB does.

I really don't get how people don't believe an uber-more powerful Hulk stands no chance against a guy that has only managed to stun him the past 3 encounters.

 

[Phenomenal]

No, DACMAN had to go watch Live Free or Die Hard with the super hot mrs. Man I loved that fricken movie. Got the metal case one from Best Buy.

Sentry: "Goodbye old friend"

Hulk: Yippie Kay Ya ************!



Hulk defeated a Skrull who possessed the same powers and capabilities as the real Black Bolt. That means WW Hulk would be able to defeat the real Black Bolt. Are you guys telling me that it's false?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Even given the same powers, the outcome can be very different. It's the tactics that you use and your fighting spirit that largely determines the outcome. The Skrulls are really not warriors by nature, they are sneaks. Being unafraid and willing to fight does not mean that you will win against someone with a true warrior spirit even if everything else is comparable. Black Bolt has a true warrior spirit while a Skrull probably does not, especially one chosen to infiltrate long term. That sort of skrull would be chosen for his sneaky nature instead.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Hulk defeated a Skrull who possessed the same powers and capabilities as the real Black Bolt. That means WW Hulk would be able to defeat the real Black Bolt. Are you guys telling me that it's false?

That's like saying (assuming all statements I make here are true) "Hulk beat Sentry, Sentry is Marvel's answer to Superman, therefore Hulk could beat Superman". Now I personally think Superman currently could beat WWHulk, for several reasons, but baring any encounter with the real Hulk I don't have any true basis for that argument. At the end of the day Hulk still didn't beat Black Bolt, he beat a facsimilie, yes, but not the real thing. So the answer is still "Hulk never beat Black Bolt" because he hasn't.