The Strongest In The Marvel Universe?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yup sure is.

 

[PhotoJones]

Your apology is accepted, by the way.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Annihilation specifies Galactus as being "the most powerful creature in the universe."

LT is outside the universe, he rules over all of the universes and keeps watch, he does come into some universes, but doesn't perpetually exist in any universe.

 

[PhotoJones]

LT is outside the universe, he rules over all of the universes and keeps watch, he does come into some universes, but doesn't perpetually exist in any universe.

I never disagreed with that.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Also, the specification of galactus from annihilation is just for that precise moment in the universe, G's power level's do vary.

 

[PhotoJones]

As do the Hulk's, Strange's and generally ever other character's powers.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Weak galactus is still more powerful than 99% of other characters however.

 

[PemLam]

As do the Hulk's, Strange's and generally ever other character's powers.

Not everybodies powers...Batroc the Leaper is pretty much a ***** in every incarnation!

 

[PhotoJones]

Not everybodies powers...Batroc the Leaper is pretty much a ***** in every incarnation!

Not when Englehart wrote him.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Your apology is accepted, by the way.

I'll never apologize to Marvel!

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Also, the specification of galactus from annihilation is just for that precise moment in the universe, G's power level's do vary.

As for Galactus, I still don't see how he would be stronger than Eternity. Unless Eternity isn't counted as being in the Universe, but is the universe itself.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Also, about the whole LT think Photo, I understand what you're saying and I am not saying you're wrong. But concerning the Beyonder, Marvel contradicts itself if they say the Beyonder was/is stronger than the LT.

 

[King_Mungi]

Oh, come on King Mungi, your not suppose to speak facts. Where is that wonderful KMC forum logic of yours.

I didn't speak facts at KMC? I beg to differ on that

 

[PhotoJones]

Also, about the whole LT think Photo, I understand what you're saying and I am not saying you're wrong. But concerning the Beyonder, Marvel contradicts itself if they say the Beyonder was/is stronger than the LT.

Marvel doesn't know what to do with the Beyonder. His origin and powers have been retconned no less then three times now.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Also, about the whole LT think Photo, I understand what you're saying and I am not saying you're wrong. But concerning the Beyonder, Marvel contradicts itself if they say the Beyonder was/is stronger than the LT.

It was demonstrated repeatedly that the Beyonder was more powerful than any other entity including the Tribunal who I believe was even destroyed by the Beyonder at least once. Eternity himself admitted that he was vastly inferior to the Beyonder. In addition the cosmic entities including the Tribunal repeatedly referred to the Molecule Man as being the next most powerful after the Beyonder. That means the the Tribunal is at best #3.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

It was demonstrated repeatedly that the Beyonder was more powerful than any other entity including the Tribunal who I believe was even destroyed by the Beyonder at least once. Eternity himself admitted that he was vastly inferior to the Beyonder. In addition the cosmic entities including the Tribunal repeatedly referred to the Molecule Man as being the next most powerful after the Beyonder. That means the the Tribunal is at best #3.

That's fine, and is all good and well as fact. BUT, even in his original form before any retcons. The Beyonder was still just a universe, even if it was a universe comprised of massive super amounts of energy. He was still only one universe and that's it.

It just doesn't make sense to me how he would be more powerful than a being whose powers come directly from God. Unless the Tribunal I am thinking of as the current was vastly less powerful then. Which is a possibility because in his first appearance he was far less powerful than he is now.

 

[Steve Rogers]

I'm gonna pull a Stu Cicero here...
Didn't we find out in She-Hulk Vol. 1 #8 that she's the strongest in the universe?

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Some threads should be allowed to die......

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Some threads should be allowed to die......

This one won't.

 

[PhotoJones]

I'm gonna pull a Stu Cicero here...
Didn't we find out in She-Hulk Vol. 1 #8 that she's the strongest in the universe?

I don't remember. Did we?

 

[Steve Rogers]

I don't remember. Did we?

I'm not postitive, that's why I put it in question form? But she worked out as Jen Walters so she'd be exponentially stronger as She Hulk and then beat what's his name that no one in the universe could beat. But then it was all thrown out of continuity and now she's not as strong as she was way back then for like two issues...so who knows?

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I'm not postitive, that's why I put it in question form? But she worked out as Jen Walters so she'd be exponentially stronger as She Hulk and then beat what's his name that no one in the universe could beat. But then it was all thrown out of continuity and now she's not as strong as she was way back then for like two issues...so who knows?

A. That issue was absoloutely horrible. One of the worst ever.

B. Regardless it did happen, but The Champion, did also possess the Power Gem before he fought her, and got rid of it after he did.

C. But regardless of that fact, The Champion should have still kicked the living crap out of her with one arm tied behind his back.

D. A possible excuse thought could be; The Champion draws upon the power primodial for an unlimited amount of power and strength. But he had been relying upon the power gem for so long that he had forgotten how to wield his natural abilities.

E. Which doesn't make sense because he had honed his powers for billions of years as one of the eldest beings in existence.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

That's fine, and is all good and well as fact. BUT, even in his original form before any retcons. The Beyonder was still just a universe, even if it was a universe comprised of massive super amounts of energy. He was still only one universe and that's it.

It just doesn't make sense to me how he would be more powerful than a being whose powers come directly from God. Unless the Tribunal I am thinking of as the current was vastly less powerful then. Which is a possibility because in his first appearance he was far less powerful than he is now.

The whole point of the Beyonder character is that he was more powerful than "god". It was a study in what happens when everything you ever believed is suddenly proven beyond question to be false. "God" is in the big scheme of things no more powerful or more significant than mortals. The beings who always believed themselves to be supreme are suddenly forced to deal with a being whose powers and nature they do not even dimly understand. The concept was even a major storyline in the New Mutants title.

 

[X]

Not when Englehart wrote him.

Mhm, he's had some suprisingly good showings.

 

[PhotoJones]

Mhm, he's had some suprisingly good showings.

Who, Englehart or Batroc? Or both? Both were great, when paired together.