Comics The SUPERIOR Spider-Man - Part 1

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Man, that must have been cool! Especially since that was obviously pre-Internet days!

The furthest back I go is an 8 year-old who mainly knows Spidey from the 60's cartoon reruns, picking up my 2nd issue of Amazing to see Spidey had a girlfriend and she gets killed by the Green Goblin!

yeah, once I bought the issue off the stand and seeing the art was completely different with Romita taking over from Ditko, the shocks just kept on coming page for page... the Goblin tracking Spidey, Gobby's realization of who Pete really was, the confrontation, Pete's capture and the final page unmasking of the Goblin... oh yeah, majorly cool, as there was absolutely NO indication the month before of what was gonna happen... the only Marvel news were the Bullpen Bulletins, so back then when I was 11 years old, I didn't even really know the artist was gonna go, but the cover difference alone was jarring and I new SOMETHING was happening that was gonna be different...

oh yeah, growing up when the Marvel universe was developing and growing back then and experiencing it all was f***ing GREAT...

you gotta excuse me, when I go back in time and think back and get nostalgic, I reminisce and tend to go on... my bad... t:

 

[runawayboulder]

It's cool. It's a well known fact the internet has ruined everything.

 

[The Squirrel]

It really has.

 

[Donald Thomas]

I agree. After all, Norman Osborn being the first villain to truly learn Peter's secret identity, along with his killing Gwen Stacy, is what helped to elevate him to being Spidey's top archenemy to begin with. Granted, him no longer having that knowledge was done, in part, to make him more of a villain for the rest of the MU along the likes of the Kingpin, Doctor Doom, Loki, etc. but at the same time, the sense that Spidey and the Green Goblin's fights were personal got severely diminished in the process.

Aloha,
Agreed.
Spidey rules

 

[Spider-Gnome]

If they had started to play the Norman card earlier on... leading the reader on with slight clues... and then BAM!!! It's Norman. That might have been easier for me to swallow, but it came out of nowhere... and what followed was really disappointing to me as an older reader at that tome...

And I wasn't fond about reading the last 20 years of fake Spider-Man neither... I would have preferred a better fleshed out solution...

I know what you mean about the Norman thing, but at the time, I was really pissed at the whole Pete was the clone thing, I mean OMD pissed. So I was happy they retconned it and as a bonus, they gave me my favorite Spidey villain that I never really got to read first hand when he appeared (aside from issue #121).

yeah, once I bought the issue off the stand and seeing the art was completely different with Romita taking over from Ditko, the shocks just kept on coming page for page... the Goblin tracking Spidey, Gobby's realization of who Pete really was, the confrontation, Pete's capture and the final page unmasking of the Goblin... oh yeah, majorly cool, as there was absolutely NO indication the month before of what was gonna happen... the only Marvel news were the Bullpen Bulletins, so back then when I was 11 years old, I didn't even really know the artist was gonna go, but the cover difference alone was jarring and I new SOMETHING was happening that was gonna be different...

oh yeah, growing up when the Marvel universe was developing and growing back then and experiencing it all was f***ing GREAT...

you gotta excuse me, when I go back in time and think back and get nostalgic, I reminisce and tend to go on... my bad... t:

Man, that's right, that was JR's first Spidey issue! That must have been really jarring. I think I would probably would have been upset. I enjoy stylized art (note my defense of Ramos), so I would have dug Ditko's work (oh, and I do) and then JR's stuff by comparison would be a bit blah. Note I do like JR's work and I liked it better later in his run as well as when he was inking Kane's work (this was my intro to Amazing Spider-Man artwork-Kane/Romita).

Don't worry about reminiscing, we all do it! I remeber riding my bike to the newsstand to pick up comics at 25 cents each back in the 70's.

 

[NCBIII]

I read Sup' Spidey #11! Great issue. SpOck goes through some deep introspection, and even JJJ gets some heavy character moments.

At first I just thought the Lamaze/Ock stuff was comic relief added to the subplot about obtaining his degree, but I just realized their relationship mirrors Peter's and Ock's. Ock/Lamaze began as students, and now Ock is in a position where he writes Lamaze off because of their history, but I predict Ock will be surprised to find that he can learn from Lamaze, mirroring how Peter and Ock are reluctantly learning from each other throughout this whole ordeal.

I think by the end of this Ock will be able to say he's learned a lot from Peter once he fully opens his mind, and I think Peter will be an even better Spider-Man once he gets his body back from Ock because of what he's learned from him. Setting differences aside seems to be a theme of this book.

I'm a little tired of Slott using Horizon labs as SpOck's all-purpose "utility belt" like the one from the 60's Batman show, but in this issue I thought it was awesome because of the reason why he's able to think his plan through beforehand (you'll see what I mean). I think Green Goblin will be his first true challenge, testing both his intellect and his newly developing morale.

 

[VenomSpawn]

Superior Spider-Man #17 cover by Ryan Stegman

Superior Spider-Man #18 cover by Ryan Stegman

 

[Mr. Dent]

Is it me or have all the Superior covers lacked a certain depth? Or rather, ever since the Marvel NOW initiative it feels like covers have lost some depth to them. I can't quite put my finger on it, but all the covers are just so flat now compared to what we used to get.

 

[Themanofbat]

Great issue...

 

[runawayboulder]

WOW. Those covers have me pumped!

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I think SpOck will get Pete fired from Horizon and kicked out of grad school and that'll be humbling and teach him he's not superior in all ways.

 

[Doc Ock]

The #17 cover made my eyes almost fall out, beautiful! The pose SpOck is making is wicked.

 

[NCBIII]

Is it me or have all the Superior covers lacked a certain depth? Or rather, ever since the Marvel NOW initiative it feels like covers have lost some depth to them. I can't quite put my finger on it, but all the covers are just so flat now compared to what we used to get.

I know what you mean. If you look at all the Superior covers so far, most of them have flat-colored backgrounds. The Superior 17 cover stands out because there's an actual background, lol

 

[Naked Shia]

Can't wait to see Miguel again.

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

I don't know... I like Stegman's stuff, but it seems like his art on the covers, as of late, has been diminishing in quality... they just seem sloppy, messy and rushed, as if he's not really focussed or something... IMHO, SOMETHING'S lacking...

 

[Naked Shia]

I like his art, and i think those covers are good, but I agree, they don't seem as good as his interior art lately, at least to me.

 

[Thwip!]

I'm liking the covers, but I agree with you guys on quality.

Part of me wonders that seeing as Rivera was doing covers for Superior of late, then how would his look for it?

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I don't know... I like Stegman's stuff, but it seems like his art on the covers, as of late, has been diminishing in quality... they just seem sloppy, messy and rushed, as if he's not really focussed or something... IMHO, SOMETHING'S lacking...

Actually I think Stegman's early Scarlet-Spider stuff was superior (no pun intended) to his current SpOck work. It seems like he's being rushed.

 

[runawayboulder]

Well if he's rushing then that's a BIG problem. There's 2 other artists and this is his only gig.

 

[VenomSpawn]

He still does covers for Scarlet Spider and the majority of those covers are way better than his Superior Spider-Man covers.

 

[Themanofbat]

Might be the inker...

 

[runawayboulder]

Oh real nice TMoB, blame the tracer......

 

[Will Nolte]

Actually TMOB might be on to something here...

A lot of Bagley's cover quality varied on his ASM run depending on who was inking it. Some inkers give a person's art a completely different look. Sal Buscema is a strong example of this. He was so heavy handed with his own style that it wrecked the art of some pencilers' work when he'd go over it.

 

[runawayboulder]

Well actually Stegman does his own inks. We were being facetious.

 

[runawayboulder]

For any of those wondering exactly how and why folks like Miguel O'Hara and Ben Reilly are going to make it over to the 616........then keep an eye out for [BLACKOUT]Age of Ultron[/BLACKOUT] tomorrow.