This is Igor Kordy's (X-Treme X-Men, Excalibur) interview after he was fired by Marvel
Get the idea of Igor Kordey being a quiet, demure arteest out of your head. The Croatian-born, Canadian immigrant whos been one of Marvels key utility players for the past few years is more of an activist than anything else. Given his background, he approached the American comics market, and Marvel in particular from a different perspective.
Likewise, he views his recent firing from Excalibur, as well as his time at Marvel through a lens that may not be too familiar to those soaked almost exclusively in American culture and worldview.
So no, hes not going quietly into the night.
While known in the American market thanks to his earlier work with Dark Horse on both the Tarzan and Star Wars franchises in particular, Kordeys exposure exploded when he took on the refocused X-title Cable with David Tischman. Illustrating stories that were ideal for his artistic and political perspective, the title featured Cable taking on a new role, that of a warrior-teacher, a man who was a soldier from the future, but no longer fought solely for mutant causes, but rather for the betterment of everyone, everywhere.
While at the time Kordey and Tischamn began work on Cable, the X-books and offices seemed to be undergoing a fundamental philosophical change, one X-office adage remained true: the core titles (New X-Men in particular) were having art problems in regards to artists meeting deadlines. A dependable workhorse, Kordey stepped in, cranking out issues of NXMin addition to his usual workload.
In the eyes of many, doing that European art style was fine for Cable, but it wasnt what they wanted to see on New. While Kordey eventually moved to X-Treme X-Menafter Cable (later renamed Soldier X) ended, he had polarized the fanbase into two camps those who loved him and those who hated him. More often than not, the hate him camp perspective was based on his New X-Men issues, which, he has admitted, were rushed, as well as the manic schedule on X-Tremehe often had to take, as it was one of Marvels twice-monthly titles.
As reported earlier, Kordeys run at Marvel ended earlier this week, when he was fired from the new title, Excalibur, which was created to replace X-Treme X-Men.
Kordey spared some time to talk to Newsarama about his time at Marvel, as well as the larger cultural and political implications and interpretations of his work, his time at Marvel, and publishers which are rapidly becoming franchise management companies first and foremost, and content providers a distant second.
Newsarama: When you came to Marvel, what was the impression that you were under in regards to your workload? Was it going to be, from the outset, just one book, or were they (or you) wanting to look to expand your load to include more projects?
Igor Kordey: It was just Cable in the beginning. I would always deliver finished artwork a bit ahead of time. I knew, by previous experience, that anything can happen to you physically, and that is better to have episode or two in stock in advance, that to be late.
At same time Mr. Tischman, the writer, started to be involved in writing for some TV serial and being late with scripts. I started to ask for new jobs, to fill bigger and bigger gaps. So came Black Widow, and bit later, an offer to fill in for New X-Men. Issue #120 was first, and after I did it in ten days - pencils and inks, editors were so happy, that they offered me #119 to do - the other guys were still late with their part.
And then it started: offers for Captain America and the Storm Arena story; everybody wanted me to work for them. I phoned and said: I can do it, but if you like me so much, give me higher rate per page. After two days I was offered exclusive contract - and the rest is a legend.
NRAMA: Over the years you were at Marvel, it seemed as the pendulum of quality swung in wild arcs, with your Cable and Soldier X being quite solid, while your New X-Men fill ins, while good, had almost a manic energy behind them, and in the eyes of a lot of readers, not up to the quality of your Cable work. What happened? Were you just overloaded?
IK: Yes. In May of '02, I ended up finishing four books in parallel: the last Cable, the first Soldier X, the last part of Black Widow and New X-Men #124. It was insane! And it was logical to fail, at least in on one of them - New X-Men happened to be that horrific book.
NRAMA: In those days where you had what many artists would see as an overloaded plate, what was your timetable to complete a full issue?
IK: A week. The Shi-ar arc looks really horrible, but I still like my Fantomex arc - it's strong, man! Actually, I received a lot of support and appreciation for that arc from numerous fans from Europe, who were ecstatic about such grittiness and expressiveness in X-Men world.
NRAMA: That said though, did you ever turn in an issue where you felt it wasnt up to your normal standards for quality?
IK:
from today's point of view, many of those books are bellow my standards of quality
that's the fact. I got lost in delusions that this expressiveness is the right way to do it, and nobody stopped me. I received a very polite call from my X-Men editor about necessity to become slick, but at that time I didn't have a clue what the heck is that suppose to mean, and nobody complained too much as long as books were coming on time.
I think, that's the crucial moment - nobody said "Hey, stop! Wait a second! Put yourself together! Let's work it out together; this, this and that is wrong! Try again and take it slow..." I was my only judge, jury and executioner all the time. In the publishing industry editors are skippers, they navigating the writer through all storms, whirlpools, and quicksand of novel writing. Those are people with vision, and for most comic editors you can not give such attribute... I never had luck to work with strong visionaries like, Axel Alonso, for example.
NRAMA: Continuing on that theme of editorial vision for the book and over all franchise, comparing the timeframe when you came on to the X-books with what it was when you left - is Marvel, in your opinion, still looking for the same breadth and scope they were with what you and David Tischman were doing on Cable; as well as what Chris, and then you and Chris were doing on X-Treme, and say, the feeling that Grant was trying to blow the franchise wide open and challenge everyone - Marvels included - perceptions of what the X-Men should be, or is the focus narrowing?
IK: Narrowing is the only way right now; in capitalistic society everything is based on profit and in today's circumstances, with non-stop recession over the years, with market shrinking rapidly, the only way to make a profit is "unification". To increase sales with mass production of less similar items and diminish production of more different items - same currency, same language, same food, same behavior, that's the idea.
People who smoke and drink are nonpredictable - let's ban them. It is not about damaging your health; it's about control of nation's mind. If government would really be so concerned about population's health, the gasoline cars would be banned long time ago.
NRAMA: Okay pulling it back down to comics, in your view, is the return of the costumes for the X-Men a sign of what you see as unification?
IK: Exactly. Its unification for mass marketing reasons. I'm talking about globalization and new world order here make things the same and predictable the world over. And they have a problem with me 'cause I like to have a right to be different!
NRAMA: With Marvel as a whole, when did you start to feel the tide changing against you?
IK: Actually, hmm, when I got computer, a year and a half ago - when I started to approach different comic-oriented websites. I was so happy to finally having an opportunity to meet my fans, to chat with them... Little did I know! I run into universe of hate, envy, dumbness, lethargy and irrationalism. Oh, my god! It shattered my illusion that my readers are smart, independent, educated, art loving people. Well, you never stop to learn...
When I got the picture, I realized that my days on top selling charts are numbered. Talking' about irrationalism and hate - you can witness on numerous sites - hundreds of fans being very happy about somebody losing the job. It's not the matter anymore am I good or bad artist, they actually justify corporative methods to treat people like numbers, to destroying their lives with the move of a finger, without any consequence. That's the most shocking paradox - it can happen to any of them any day, and they are thought to justify cruelty from company which actually earns money on their labor, on their sweat and blood. They already learned to think like a slaves!
Of course they need to have their comic heroes in bright spandex, being long legged Barbie-cuties ; that way their perception don't need to work overtime, their imagination is triggered faster, the messages are transferred momentarily, identification with characters is triggered instantly. Like a sex without emotions, you need more and more to satisfy your needs. Nothing for the soul, there's no need for soul...
No wonder my images are upsetting so many of them - they can not stand diversities anymore. And because it's not their fault, I can only feel sorry for their loss, and anger for system which made them losers of a wider breadth of styles and approaches to art.
NRAMA: Speaking of the corporate, youve mentioned that you were asked to take a lower page rate than what you originally agreed upon in your exclusive contract. Was any reason given? Was the offer made as a take it or leave it, that is, if you turned it down, you would be leaving Marvel?
IK: It was clearly "take it or leave it". There were no other options. My demand to respect the contract was followed by comment "that contract is a piece of toilet paper anyway". I accepted this "offer" which I call blackmail, 'cause they knew that I didnt have any other choice. From that moment my loyalty stopped to make sense. I did my job professionally, but gave myself right to be loud on public sites and express myself, feeling betrayed and backstabbed.
NRAMA: Once the ball started rolling, and you did start making comments about the conditions under which you were working, you mentioned that Marvel pressed for changes in the Arena and Intifada arcs of X-Treme X-Men. What was the nature of the changes?
IK: It's about new wave of conservativism and inbuilt censorship. New management decided to purify Marvel books, for the lack of a better term, suppressing erotics - as one of the ways to express emotional freedom, and retaining violence. You can not hide violence by painting blood gray, that's ridiculous - it's about very act of violence.
But as we see all the time, violence is OK, according to genuine American "frontier-spirit. Here comes my part - Im trying all the time to present action scenes - read - fight scenes - as a regular flow of the story, as integral part of events, never trying to emphasize them more than necessary. And because of that lots of fans got mad. And I understand that - because they lost the ability to stand up for themselves, they love to see their heroes kick each other's butts. Whole entertaining industry is based on that.
NRAMA: Well, considering the changes that were made, and the markets in which youve worked, would the edits have been as big an issue, in your opinion, if you were drawing exclusively for a European audience?
IK: The European audience is more open to healthy sexuality, generally. They learned long time ago that sex and good verbal argument is a cure against many frustrations - Holland and Scandinavian countries, having so called sexual revolution in 60s and 70s for example, are today having the lowest rate of sexual assaults per capita in the world.
Something to think about...
It is known that sex is always in collision with totalitarian societies and they always tried to suppress it. We always had enormous censorship apparatus through history, from those developed in Victorian Britain, SSSR, the Third Reich, USA...
Not that its the only reason, but Im not alone in pointing out that all of those countries had comparable number of serial killers, mass murderers, and sex-based crimes...
NRAMA: Yes there is that school of thought. But again, and I hate to sound like a broken record here, getting back to the comics. Can you explain the timetable of Excalibur? You were assigned the book four months ago, and
what? Began working on character designs with Chris?
IK: I never work on characters much before I start actual work on pencils. I read the script and then think about them a lot, while working on something else. When I start to draw them , they already are completely shaped up in my head, that's one of my "secrets" in being so fast - all the references are coming from my head, and from brain to hand the road is just 1/2 heartbeat long.
NRAMA: So then, in the time that youd been assigned the book and this week, you had drawn one and a half issues, as well as the cover to #1, correct? And you were told to stop work?
IK: Yes. That's strange - I was given freedom to design stuff my way, and they liked it. I mean they could've told me on the beginning if anything was wrong. Maybe they gave up on me early, but let me work and kept me away until I was totally done with X-Treme arc.
My other guess is that they more likely lost the grip over situation and got panicky trying to find solution for unsolvable problems. I'm just an easy target - like smokers comparing with environment pollution and globally bad conditions of living. You cannot cure cancer by donating money - cancer is a consequence, not the source of evil.
NRAMA: Gut level, what was getting that word like? After all, you were one of Marvels utility players for years, filling in where needed, and always getting a base hit every time you stepped up to bat
IK: Ah, It's not my first, nor the last time Ill get the call. Its always same mixture - humiliation, and anger of feeling betrayed and helpless. I grew up in different environment, where the given word is a most precious thing - if you can not keep your word, that means that you are nobody, a human zero. I'm always getting mad, witnessing easiness and total lack of emotions when people saying things like "I'm sorry" or so easily call someone a "friend". People here are easy on screwing you up, saying Im sorry, thinking that makes up for the broken promise, and getting away with it. Its a total lack of basic moral and ethic values, its only about the damn money!
NRAMA: So where do you go from here? How long did it take for the news to break and the phone to start ringing?
IK: I'm going up, one way or another. Ive been doing this for almost 30 years and I built my reputation with strong fundamentals - I'm not a one hit wonder, nor just a kid doing comics as my bridge to movie industry. I'm here to stay.
Phones started to ring the same day I gave my brief statement on web - bad news seems to travel faster than good, thankfully.
NRAMA: Anything lined up yet?
IK: Ill let you know when I get firm confirmations...
NRAMA: In closing then, are there any long-term lessons that youve learned from your run at Marvel that you can encapsulate and share, or is this just another run with a publisher in a succession that makes up the career of a commercial artist?
IK: As I said before, if you care, its always worth of trying to make difference. If you don't succeed before you die, at least you know that you lived up for beautiful illusion. If you fulfill your goal early enough, that means it was obviously something small, like being a billionaire or such...
(all interviews I post are courtisy of Newsrama)