The Tobey Maguire/Peter Parker Thread

[omid17]

Yeah, the Good German is interesting and it's actually the first film where I ehard Tobey say the F word. I love how he beats the crap out of George Clooney.

That would be a great buy IMO.

i have to rent that movie

 

[The Joker_1000]

HA HA! That bastard George Clooney finally gets what he deserves for disrespecting the role of Batman!

 

[DACrowe]

I think Tobey's best movies are Pleasentville, Wonder Boys, Ride with the Devil and my personal favorite, Seabiscuit. Spider-Man 2 and Cider House Rules are really good but thsoe perforamnces and films I listed above stand out.

 

[InsomniacFreak]

Keep deluding yourself. He came back for sm2 simply because he was offered more money. He got $20million for sm2, which was a $15million pay increase from the first movie 2 years earlier. For sm3, he got close to $30million. Yeah, he stuck around for continuitys sake...continuity in that his salary contniued to increase at ridicuous levels for doing very little and to keep apologist fanboys happy and wet.

Easy. How many films outside spider-man has TMags done since 2002? He has plenty of time and money to get the right people to get his lazy ass into shape. As a student, time is luxury I lack. I'm mostly travelling to and from uni, studying or in class, with very little social time. I get up at 5am to work out every morning for just over 30minutes and then do the same at like, 11pm. It's what most people call, discipline.


Boohoo. How many times did this happen to TMags? If this happened 3 times to regularly then you'd have a point but you don't. TMags over the last 5 years has been in pathetic physical condition for someone making as much money as he does and with the time available he has. Now that he's a father I guess this will only underscore his complete lack of discipline in getting into impressive physical shape.

He clearly has more free time than I do. What exactly has he done since sm1 outside the spidey movies??? He had to lose weight to play red pollard?? So?? In his condition, all he had to do was tone up, which is easier to do when you're thinner. A few weights here and there and mostly cardio stuff. Situps/crunches and push ups would have done him more justice than what was served in sm2 and 3 but hey, what's done is done. If you like TMags looking ordinary, good for you but some people prefer their superheroes to actually look like superheroes. Peter Parker has a well toned and highly defined body...that is an undeniable fact. Is it so wrong for me to want the same for the lead actor? I dont think so.

Holy crap. How many times have you people shot Seabiscuit in this thread. Wow. Just wow.

Jide, believe it or not, even though you and I have some pretty monumental differences of opinion about what constitutes the best parts of these Spidey films, I don't begrudge you your opinion that you wanted to see a more physically fit Tobey Maguire to fill the Spidey tights. Fair enough. Was he in the best possible shape? Of course he wasn't. Your opinion is valid. And I won't even argue your dismal assessent of the lazy-quotient of Mr. Maguire's ass. Despite the fact that he suffers from a herniated disk, could he have maintained (and afforded) a medically monitored workout regimen to get in better shape for SM3? Could he have laid off the donuts? Sure he could have. Did he have a valid excuse for not doing so? I couldn't say, except I would say with some degree of confidence, following his career closely as I do, that work in other films wasn't the obstacle. He hasn't done a whole lot of cinematic work between SM2 and SM3. What he did do a lot of was play high-stakes poker in professional circles.

Now, you want to flame on about his choice to further a bonafide second career over devoting himself solely to getting into shape for Spidey, that's your preogative. I'm sure he did what was asked of him by the filmmakers but could he have done more than requested? Sure. But he didn't. And that sucks for you and anyone else who is so overwhelmed with disappointment over that specific shortcoming that they are unable to derive satisfactory enjoyment from the overall product. Win some. Lose some. C'est la vie.

However, when you incessantly go about your ritual of spouting speculation (as though fact) about Maguire's motivations behind his decision to return to the Spidey franchise being centered around money, you might consider this bit of info. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that Maguire has made perhaps more money (net) playing high-stakes poker than he has or will ever rake in making Spidey movies. The truth of the matter is that the man doesn't need money and for quite a long while now (and even before they should have been) his career choices have not been based on compensation. He chose to do these films not only because he believed in the character and the vision of the director, but also because of the doors it would open for him that would allow him to do other kinds of work in the industry. To say he stayed with the franchise in order to collect a paycheck aptly demonstrates your ignorance about Maguire in general.

Don't think I don't know that when you're contemptuously pointing your jagged little finger (and sometimes your jagged middle finger) at all the Tobey Maguire loyalists on these boards, that "InsomniacFreak" has to be pretty high up on the top of that list. Maguire has no bigger fan than me I assure you. But I am not an apologist for him and you are entitled to your beefs with the movies and with his performance the same as anyone else. You have your opinions and we'll have ours. Your opinions are plenty valid without cutting other people down for their views or making statements that you can't even back up on Tobey Maguire's motives for doing or not doing anything.

 

[kronos251]

^^ Considering he was thinner and leaner in SM2 than he was in SM1 after Seabiscuit, that is a dubious claim new comer. And if that is fat in SM3 than I'd like to see your workout regiments, because while he certainly was no longer muscular, I didn't see any flab either.

The posting will become easier in time, young padawan.

Yousa Bombad! lol..

Spare some love for the rookie, bro'.

Besides, I aint that new to the boards. I lurk a lot, and I only found time to register just this month, so there.

As for you inquiring my workout regiment, I was trained in karate, samurai bokken (wooden sword) training, and some jeet kune do. With constant discipline, correct nutrition and good old fashioned elbow grease, a person doesnt have to worry so much about a little flab hanging off his chin (Like Maguire had in SM 2, scene where he tried to stop the train, and also when he was running like hell across rooftops). But Really, Im not the type who'll argue in circles, as you said in one of your posts, so i respect your opinion as i expect you'll respect mine.

In SM3, I concede to the fact that he looked a whole lot better there than in SM2.

The reason why imo Maguire looked his best in SM1, is because He was originally set to play the role of Jake Hoyt in "Training Day" (2001), opposite Denzel Washington. He had even gone through two months of training with narcotic officers, weapons training, and put on a lot of muscle but the role was later given to the producer's first choice, Ethan hawke and Tobey went on to star in Spiderman (2002) instead.

And Ill say it again: Tobey is a terrific actor. Hes a friggin goldmine compared to some of the other young hollywood trash of today.

 

[Visionary]

Just imagine how Spider-Man would stand out if they didn't have to cater to Spider-Twinkies and Happy Meals. While no one is looking, slip this film a wild R-rating.

 

[omid17]

Just imagine how Spider-Man would stand out if they didn't have to cater to Spider-Twinkies and Happy Meals. While no one is looking, slip this film a wild R-rating.

that would be nice

 

[Visionary]

Hes a friggin goldmine compared to some of the other young hollywood trash of today.

I have to admit, I do hate most of young Hollywood, which is why I'm a bit afraid of who they'll choose after Tobey.

 

[omid17]

I have to admit, I do hate most of young Hollywood, which is why I'm a bit afraid of who they'll choose after Tobey.

i just think if they really did get another actor, it would **** up the franchise

 

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

i have to rent that movie

I want to rent it just to watch him.:heart:

 

[Visionary]

i just think if they really did get another actor, it would **** up the franchise

But you have to admit, he's getting extremely expensive. I mean for SM4, he's going to want cuts from the box office/DVD/merchandising. He'll be bleeding the franchise dry, if they don't get rid of him.

 

[InsomniacFreak]

But you have to admit, he's getting extremely expensive. I mean for SM4, he's going to want cuts from the box office/DVD/merchandising. He'll be bleeding the franchise dry, if they don't get rid of him.

He's getting that now but surely Sony is smart enough to put caps on it. With in excess of 2 billion dollars raked in thus far from these Spidey movies, please tell me how that a single actor's compensation, no matter how large, could possibly bleed the franchise dry?


I can't imagine that what Tobey might require compensation-wise would be unreasonable, especially in light of his ensconced position as the face of the franchise. It will all come down to the script and the players anyway. Unless there's some phenominally compelling story, Maguire likely won't be back, no matter what they offer him. He's booked up his schedule with other films and a possible new franchise in Robotech. I think he's moving on with his career. I'll be shocked and amazed if he returns for a 4th movie.

 

[The Joker_1000]

I really don't want Tobey to be recast. In my eyes, that would be a big mistake.

 

[omid17]

But you have to admit, he's getting extremely expensive. I mean for SM4, he's going to want cuts from the box office/DVD/merchandising. He'll be bleeding the franchise dry, if they don't get rid of him.

true

He's getting that now but surely Sony is smart enough to put caps on it. With in excess of 2 billion dollars raked in thus far from these Spidey movies, please tell me how that a single actor's compensation, no matter how large, could possibly bleed the franchise dry?


I can't imagine that what Tobey might require compensation-wise would be unreasonable, especially in light of his ensconced position as the face of the franchise. It will all come down to the script and the players anyway. Unless there's some phenominally compelling story, Maguire likely won't be back, no matter what they offer him. He's booked up his schedule with other films and a possible new franchise in Robotech. I think he's moving on with his career. I'll be shocked and amazed if he returns for a 4th movie.

Raimi is going to stick around SM4, im sure that tobey and kirsten will join him

 

[Mr Jide]

No one is physically weak if they work out a lot.

That's not what I said. I said, a physically weak person who did that sort of work out could end up in serious trouble or worse.

Btw, what exactly is the "300 workout"?

Google explains it better than I can.

 

[Mr Jide]

So, you're telling me every actor has to have a body just like the comic book character they're portraying? I'm not making excuses for Tobey Maguire but it's hard to say he wasn't that cut in SM-2 & SM-3 if we didn't see much of his body. Besides, why do they have to show a full body shot anyway? I'm pretty sure any straight male such as myself wouldn't care whether they show him shirtless or not. In any case, saying Tobey Maguire needs to have a body just like Spider-Man in the comic books & cartoons is like saying Brandon Routh should look just like the Ed Guiness version of Superman. Tobey Maguire was cut & toned enough & if you can't deal with that, don't even bother watching the movies anymore or any of the sequels that may be released in the coming years.

You're not understanding this. Brandon Routh was in great shape. You can see it even in his face. Even when you see bits of his body like in the hospital, any person who isn't blind can see that Routh was in awesome shape. If you actually think that TMags was cut and toned in sm2 and 3 then you have deluded yourself. Period. I'm not saying TMags has to be jacked but he should look physically fit because the character is. A man swinging all over NY is going to have a cut bod, simply because his muscles are being worked on a regular basis. This has got nothing to do with being gay or straight...actually, its more to do with basic common sense. This is a movie about a superhero, with super powers, who under-went a physilogical, genetic transformation.

Sorry but they guy holding the baby in the pics doesnt have spider-man's body...the funny thing is, he doesn't even have to work that hard to achieve it either.

This is what he looked like for sm2 and 3....but according to some of you, its perfectly ok for spider-man's body to look like this...he really looks cut and toned

Promo shot of TMags for the first spidey flick. You can see it in his face that the dude worked out and was in great shape. This is the same pic, where he's wearing a sleeveless shirt and you can see how cut and toned his arms are.

If TMags maintained this size and definition..hell, he ended up losing weight, all he had to do was define his body, then we wouldn't be having this argument. But ultimately, those above pics rest my case.

 

[Mr Jide]

By the way, Jide, did you ever read Koepp's draft?

Unfortunately, my laptop aint working and I'll be getting a new one in 2 weeks as I'm off for a month one week from today. As for now, due to heav work loads, I still havn't read it yet but as soon as I'm done next week, it's the first thing I'm going to do.

 

[Mr Jide]

Seperately? Perhaps.

To do this right, you must do all without any breaks.

Most will die; probably you would too.

Exactly! It is a killer workout and only underscores my previous comment about it. Wait, you do this 6 days a week??

 

[Mr Jide]

I'm not your friend & I'm not saying anything stupid. I do chin-ups/pull-ups everyday at school & sometimes I'll do three sets of 10 back to back. I also do reps with my weights everyday as well as sit-ups, push-ups, etc. I have nothing to lie about, that workout wouldn't even be a challenge for me.

First of all you trivialise such a gruelling work out then you claim you can do it a couple times a day...lmao! I hope you're being facetious.

 

[Mr Jide]

Holy crap. How many times have you people shot Seabiscuit in this thread. Wow. Just wow.

Jide, believe it or not, even though you and I have some pretty monumental differences of opinion about what constitutes the best parts of these Spidey films, I don't begrudge you your opinion that you wanted to see a more physically fit Tobey Maguire to fill the Spidey tights. Fair enough. Was he in the best possible shape? Of course he wasn't. Your opinion is valid. And I won't even argue your dismal assessent of the lazy-quotient of Mr. Maguire's ass. Despite the fact that he suffers from a herniated disk, could he have maintained (and afforded) a medically monitored workout regimen to get in better shape for SM3? Could he have laid off the donuts? Sure he could have. Did he have a valid excuse for not doing so? I couldn't say, except I would say with some degree of confidence, following his career closely as I do, that work in other films wasn't the obstacle. He hasn't done a whole lot of cinematic work between SM2 and SM3. What he did do a lot of was play high-stakes poker in professional circles.

Now, you want to flame on about his choice to further a bonafide second career over devoting himself solely to getting into shape for Spidey, that's your preogative. I'm sure he did what was asked of him by the filmmakers but could he have done more than requested? Sure. But he didn't. And that sucks for you and anyone else who is so overwhelmed with disappointment over that specific shortcoming that they are unable to derive satisfactory enjoyment from the overall product. Win some. Lose some. C'est la vie.

However, when you incessantly go about your ritual of spouting speculation (as though fact) about Maguire's motivations behind his decision to return to the Spidey franchise being centered around money, you might consider this bit of info. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that Maguire has made perhaps more money (net) playing high-stakes poker than he has or will ever rake in making Spidey movies. The truth of the matter is that the man doesn't need money and for quite a long while now (and even before they should have been) his career choices have not been based on compensation. He chose to do these films not only because he believed in the character and the vision of the director, but also because of the doors it would open for him that would allow him to do other kinds of work in the industry. To say he stayed with the franchise in order to collect a paycheck aptly demonstrates your ignorance about Maguire in general.

Don't think I don't know that when you're contemptuously pointing your jagged little finger (and sometimes your jagged middle finger) at all the Tobey Maguire loyalists on these boards, that "InsomniacFreak" has to be pretty high up on the top of that list. Maguire has no bigger fan than me I assure you. But I am not an apologist for him and you are entitled to your beefs with the movies and with his performance the same as anyone else. You have your opinions and we'll have ours. Your opinions are plenty valid without cutting other people down for their views or making statements that you can't even back up on Tobey Maguire's motives for doing or not doing anything.

"At the time, Maguire was finishing "Seabiscuit," working 14-hour days, six days a week. He was also in the middle of contract negotiations with the studio. His agent asked for $25 million, or 10 percent of the gross-whichever was bigger. The studio said no. In the middle of those negotiations, Raimi, who was prepping the special effects for "Spider-Man 2," asked Maguire to come in on his day off to do about 10 hours of scans, in which computers would map every point on the actor's body to help create a digital double. Maguire declined. "I was on the verge of being sick, my back was killing me, and I was like, 'If I go do this, 'Seabiscuit' is going to suffer'," he says."

"Eventually the studio agreed to give Maguire a raise, bringing his total salary package to about $17 million."

If TMags doesnt need the money, what justification does he have to think that he can demand going from $5million for sm1 to $25million or 10% of the film's gross for sm2? In the end he settles for $17million. See, had TMags got a pay increase to about $10million, I could understand but the figures clearly indicate that it TMags was being overzealous with his back injury while trying to bump up his ego and pay cheque. But hey, you TMag loyalists can believe what you want.

 

[InsomniacFreak]

"At the time, Maguire was finishing "Seabiscuit," working 14-hour days, six days a week. He was also in the middle of contract negotiations with the studio. His agent asked for $25 million, or 10 percent of the gross-whichever was bigger. The studio said no. In the middle of those negotiations, Raimi, who was prepping the special effects for "Spider-Man 2," asked Maguire to come in on his day off to do about 10 hours of scans, in which computers would map every point on the actor's body to help create a digital double. Maguire declined. "I was on the verge of being sick, my back was killing me, and I was like, 'If I go do this, 'Seabiscuit' is going to suffer'," he says."

"Eventually the studio agreed to give Maguire a raise, bringing his total salary package to about $17 million."

Allow me to complete the picture you're painting here by posting in an additional paragraph of the same Newsweek article from which you got the above info.

Around the industry, speculation was rampant that the actor had exaggerated his back problems in an effort to hold the studio hostage for even more money. Columbia chairman Amy Pascal won't say whether she agrees with that analysis. "I love Tobey, and I did not want to replace him," she says. "Did he have a bad back? Yes. Was it exacerbated by the situation on 'Seabiscuit'? I think it was. Was it exacerbated by the fact that we didn't want to pay him more money? You can ask him that." Maguire insists it wasn't. "All that stuff about money was total bull---," he says. "I was never worried about my compensation," He pauses. "But you know, on the first movie I was like an excited little monkey. I'm a passionate actor-maybe obnoxiously so sometimes. On this (2nd) movie, I wasn't talking to them. I think [Raimi and the studio] probably felt like, 'What happened to Tobey?' But when I figured out what was happening, I dealt with it."

From his own lips Maguire says the hostage situation for more pay was bull----. He was still actively engaged in performing his obligations to another film of which he was an executive producer and it was his priority at the time.

I'm afraid I can't quote any one more familiar and knowledgable about the situation than Maguire himself. But you can think what you want.
Call me a loyalist. Whatever.

If TMags doesnt need the money, what justification does he have to think that he can demand going from $5million for sm1 to $25million or 10% of the film's gross for sm2? In the end he settles for $17million. See, had TMags got a pay increase to about $10million, I could understand but the figures clearly indicate that it TMags was being overzealous with his back injury while trying to bump up his ego and pay cheque. But hey, you TMag loyalists can believe what you want.

Justification for his agents asking for more money after SM1?

Well let me see. Spider-man Domestic haul $403,706,375. Foreign take $418,002,176 for a total of $821,708,551.

I think his agents (and Maguire himself) probably figured that with a blockbuster of that magnitude, he (not to mention themselves) was entitled to a little larger cut than $4 million for the second picture. Maguire explained a number of times that the salary talks prior to SM2 were just normal negotiations whereby his side asks for something and the other side counters. They meet somewhere in the middle. The decision by someone (Sony IMO) to leak normally private business dealings to the public was just as, if not more deplorable IMO, than Maguire's lack of communication with Raimi and the studio during the deal.

The whole situation was very poorly handled by all parties involved, a fact that Pascal acknowledges. "No one wanted that out there. No one. It was awful. Embarrassing and awful and humiliating and icky for everyone."

Shortly thereafter Maguire fired his long time agent and signed with CAA which suggests he was not very happy with the way his former agent handled the SM2 salary negotiations. And I seriously doubt it was because he didn't get the $25 million he asked for.

 

[Mr Jide]

F***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had a long counter post and I f***ing lost it!!

 

[InsomniacFreak]

F***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO! Ohhhh look who's steamed. I'm guessing I might as well consider the above response a rather fitting summation of your intended post.

 

[xxBlackCatxx]

Hey Insomniac Freak i'm a BIG tobey fan toot: :heart:
and think he looked great in all 3 movies
true in 1 he was more buff but in 2 and 3 he was also toned
don't forget when he wears the suit
it has padding inside to give him more muscle.
and if you think about it spidey wasn't a huge muscly superhero
to start off with he was toned and slender for speed and agility
and i think tobey captures that well that he's toned but not fat or thin
and tobey does work out regularly ya know? see link!!

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2007/08/06/tobey-maguire-spandex/

 

[The Joker_1000]

You're not understanding this. Brandon Routh was in great shape. You can see it even in his face. Even when you see bits of his body like in the hospital, any person who isn't blind can see that Routh was in awesome shape. If you actually think that TMags was cut and toned in sm2 and 3 then you have deluded yourself. Period. I'm not saying TMags has to be jacked but he should look physically fit because the character is. A man swinging all over NY is going to have a cut bod, simply because his muscles are being worked on a regular basis. This has got nothing to do with being gay or straight...actually, its more to do with basic common sense. This is a movie about a superhero, with super powers, who under-went a physilogical, genetic transformation.

I understand what you mean but I don't think it's that big of a deal since we don't actually see his body in any of the movies. I wouldn't mind if he did work out a little more to get more toned but if he doesn't, there's nothing you, I, or anyone else can do.