The Topher Grace/ Eddie Brock Thread

[Arcturus]

I've always liked that line, "I like being bad...it makes me happy". It was the look on Brocks face, it was as if he was struggling, perhaps contemplating his actions. Who knows.

 

[Victarion]

I've always liked that line, "I like being bad...it makes me happy". It was the look on Brocks face, it was as if he was struggling, perhaps contemplating his actions. Who knows.

I made the mistake of getting into "That 70's Show" when I found out an actor on there would be portraying Venom.

One of my favorite moments was that little tick Eddie had when he was saying "I'm thinking humiliation. Like how you humiliated me." The look in his eyes was perfect as well.

---Morzan

 

[Lantern Venom]

I've always liked that line, "I like being bad...it makes me happy". It was the look on Brocks face, it was as if he was struggling, perhaps contemplating his actions. Who knows.

I HATED that line with a passion. Eddie has always viewed himself as the hero and rationalized his evil actions. It would have been more fitting for him to give a diatribe on how Spidey needed to have his immoral ways corrected so more innocents would not have their lives wrecked.
It would have even given the script a chance to justify Venom's actions in relation to Sandman. It could have been written that the symbiote's knowledge of Sandy's daughter actually motivated Eddie rather than just being a bargaining chip to bait Marko.

 

[Blader5489]

Eddie has always viewed himself as the hero and rationalized his evil actions. It would have been more fitting for him to give a diatribe on how Spidey needed to have his immoral ways corrected so more innocents would not have their lives wrecked.

That's the lame anti-hero Venom though. Raimi, wisely, did away with that in the movie.

I don't know why people are up in arms about that though. Doc Ock was never a good guy in the comics yet people didn't complain about that characterization in SM2. Or, at least, they don't complain about it anymore.

 

[Lantern Venom]

That's the lame anti-hero Venom though. Raimi, wisely, did away with that in the movie.

I don't know why people are up in arms about that though. Doc Ock was never a good guy in the comics yet people didn't complain about that characterization in SM2. Or, at least, they don't complain about it anymore.

Venom always had that inclination, even in ASM #300. Raimi did away with that an everything else that made the character popular.

 

[Dr. Fate]

Venom always had that inclination, even in ASM #300. Raimi did away with that an everything else that made the character popular.

Watching the film, Venom just feels so uncared for and so ignored, you can feel Raimi's contempt for him just by the lack of screentime, and what screentime you do get is just... unpleasant.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Watching the film, Venom just feels so uncared for and so ignored, you can feel Raimi's contempt for him just by the lack of screentime, and what screentime you do get is just... unpleasant.

That sums it up quite well.

 

[IamProdigy]

I've always liked that line, "I like being bad...it makes me happy". It was the look on Brocks face, it was as if he was struggling, perhaps contemplating his actions. Who knows.

I much preferred Eddie's lines in the Spider-Man 3 novelization...he talked about religion, having it "pour down on him"(the symbiote) and he even said, "I'm your posion Spider-Man...I'm your Venom." those lines, imo, would've been perfect to hear...because, firstly, he would've been the first villain in the franchise to say his own name without the Daily Bugle naming him Venom.

 

[omid17]

I much preferred Eddie's lines in the Spider-Man 3 novelization...he talked about religion, having it "pour down on him"(the symbiote) and he even said, "I'm your posion Spider-Man...I'm your Venom." those lines, imo, would've been perfect to hear...because, firstly, he would've been the first villain in the franchise to say his own name without the Daily Bugle naming him Venom.

yea that was great, the book was much better imo

 

[Blader5489]

Venom always had that inclination, even in ASM #300.

Not that I recall. He just wanted to kill Spider-Man for robbing him of his "innocence." Good Lord...

The fact that Raimi spared us of that melodrama and got straight to the point (i.e. Peter ruined Eddie's life, Eddie wants revenge), I think, suffices. More screentime, of course, was needed to showcase both Eddie's character and Venom's fighting abilities. But what is there is, I don't think, some injustice done to the character. If anything, it's an improvement.

you can feel Raimi's contempt for him just by the lack of screentime, and what screentime you do get is just... unpleasant.

I still can't believe people still adhere to this idea.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Watching the film, Venom just feels so uncared for and so ignored, you can feel Raimi's contempt for him just by the lack of screentime, and what screentime you do get is just... unpleasant.

I really felt that he was in the right hands. even though Sam was more of a fan of the classic Spidey comic's from the 1960's, he still amanged to make Eddie Brock/Venom not only have good screentime, but be very enjoyable and much worth the 7 year wait. That's just how I feel though.

 

[IamProdigy]

Yah, but both Eddie and Eddie Venom needed much more time.

 

[LeChuck]

Topher Grace would have been a better Venom had there been a better script.

 

[IamProdigy]

yea that was great, the book was much better imo

I wouldn't say imo, the book was way better than the movie. We got more story for Eddie, Flint and his family, Harry and Norman, and we got more action of Venom.

 

[omid17]

I wouldn't say imo, the book was way better than the movie. We got more story for Eddie, Flint and his family, Harry and Norman, and we got more action of Venom.

 

[Blader5489]

I wouldn't say imo, the book was way better than the movie. We got more story for Eddie, Flint and his family, Harry and Norman, and we got more action of Venom.

That part was godawful, though. I'm glad Raimi removed that from the final cut.

Most of the stuff in the book was filmed anyway, so we'll see a lot of that when 3.1 comes out.

 

[DACrowe]

I like how fans take it so personally.

Look Raimi probably never cared for Venom, but he did try (I emphasize try) to make a good movie with the conditions set before him. He did not sit in the editing room going "I hate you Venom, I hate you so much! I will cut every frame you're in...IN HALF! MWHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Raimi may have failed in your eyes, but it was not a personal campaign against the character. ****, the screenplay that included Venom was written by Alvin Sargent who simply loved (according to himself, Raimi and Ziskin, Sargent's wife) the Venom character as a concept for a dopplenganger and since Raimi thought Brock was boring in the comics (as did Avi Arad) they let him run for it.

But Venom is simply a third act Venom. In the TV show everyone loves and thinks is the VEnom from the comics (when it's not) he is in the third act there too, just it is three episodes so while only being 69 minutes, it feels more even handed (and it was obviously paced better, mind you rushed light characterization is expected in a children's cartoon so surface skimming worked).

But Raimi used this concept and while he did not care for Venom he tried to use it to the best of his ability and make a movie that satisfied his desires while including Venom. If you hated the end result, fine, dandy that's great for you.

But fans take it so personally as if they have been personally insulted and offended by Raimi who sat there thinking of ways to "rape the character" and spit at fans. It is so...oblivious.

 

[IamProdigy]

That part was godawful, though. I'm glad Raimi removed that from the final cut.

Most of the stuff in the book was filmed anyway, so we'll see a lot of that when 3.1 comes out.

The infamous sandcastle scene should've stayed in the movie. His interaction with his daughter and his interaction with Eddie was something that would've been much better than Sandman and Eddie teaming up in forty-eight seconds.

 

[Arcturus]

I like how fans take it so personally.

Look Raimi probably never cared for Venom, but he did try (I emphasize try) to make a good movie with the conditions set before him. He did not sit in the editing room going "I hate you Venom, I hate you so much! I will cut every frame you're in...IN HALF! MWHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Raimi may have failed in your eyes, but it was not a personal campaign against the character. ****, the screenplay that included Venom was written by Alvin Sargent who simply loved (according to himself, Raimi and Ziskin, Sargent's wife) the Venom character as a concept for a dopplenganger and since Raimi thought Brock was boring in the comics (as did Avi Arad) they let him run for it.

But Venom is simply a third act Venom. In the TV show everyone loves and thinks is the VEnom from the comics (when it's not) he is in the third act there too, just it is three episodes so while only being 69 minutes, it feels more even handed (and it was obviously paced better, mind you rushed light characterization is expected in a children's cartoon so surface skimming worked).

But Raimi used this concept and while he did not care for Venom he tried to use it to the best of his ability and make a movie that satisfied his desires while including Venom. If you hated the end result, fine, dandy that's great for you.

But fans take it so personally as if they have been personally insulted and offended by Raimi who sat there thinking of ways to "rape the character" and spit at fans. It is so...oblivious.

Don't apply this to all fans;

Personally I liked the Venom we got, a little more screen-time would've been nice (When I say this, I refer to Eddie's Visitation to the Stacy Residence and the original Venom/Sandman meeting in the park). Plus I think Topher did a good performance. At first I was downright against this idea, but I gave it a chance and I took it back, I was pleasantly surprised. I actually like the meteorite origin as well, I love the design of Venom. And considering there were a lot of characters in SM3, it's good enough, I say. And for Venom dying, the way I see it, these are the movies, wrap everything up. With comics, it's a different thing all together.

 

[Blader5489]

The infamous sandcastle scene should've stayed in the movie. His interaction with his daughter and his interaction with Eddie was something that would've been much better than Sandman and Eddie teaming up in forty-eight seconds.

No, I agree with that. I was referring to the scenes between the doctor and Marko's family, and the ending where Penny convinces Marko to stop fighting.

 

[Eternalzero]

Oh Eddie how I miss thee!

 

[Lantern Venom]

Not that I recall. He just wanted to kill Spider-Man for robbing him of his "innocence." Good Lord...

The fact that Raimi spared us of that melodrama and got straight to the point (i.e. Peter ruined Eddie's life, Eddie wants revenge), I think, suffices. More screentime, of course, was needed to showcase both Eddie's character and Venom's fighting abilities. But what is there is, I don't think, some injustice done to the character. If anything, it's an improvement.



I still can't believe people still adhere to this idea.

After killing the security guard in in ASM #300, Eddie says "Innocent death is unpleasant." When he killed the Vault guard at beginning of #315, he looked on the verge of tears and gave the guard a kiss. Sure, that's twisted but right from the start, readers could see that Venom was different type of character.
Raimi decided to give us a weak-looking, homogenized villian who overreacted over getting caught in a deliberate lie. That's weak writing and weak directing.

 

[DACrowe]

No Venom was a character that was extremely shallow that fans mistakingly thought had depth. Venom was a villain who apologized afterward but you never explored his psyche like some of the great villains with their twisited logic. He is not Erik of the Opera, Lestat, Lecter or even the Operative in Serenity. He is just a visual fluff piece with the illusion of a great villain. I think Doc Ock in SM2 was a better villain for the one who "I do this for a twisted justified reason."

Just my thought.

 

[Lantern Venom]

No Venom was a character that was extremely shallow that fans mistakingly thought had depth. Venom was a villain who apologized afterward but you never explored his psyche like some of the great villains with their twisited logic. He is not Erik of the Opera, Lestat, Lecter or even the Operative in Serenity. He is just a visual fluff piece with the illusion of a great villain. I think Doc Ock in SM2 was a better villain for the one who "I do this for a twisted justified reason."

Just my thought.

Venom is one of the most elaborate characters to ever grace a comic book. At times he has been emotionally weak, vicious, self-defeating, selfish and egotistical. Yet all these aspects of his character exist with a side of him that's loyal, gentle, loving, brave and funny. He blows away most other characters in terms of his depth.

 

[Arcturus]

Well, in any case.

What did you folks think of the design of the Venom suit? Personally, I liked the design they used. I really liked how they portrayed the distorted version of the black spidey suit. I remember a long time ago, people said Venom could only be done in CGI. But here, it seems it was mostly actor in black suit, and little CGI. Plus, I also loved the symbiote effects.