The Trump Thread!!! - Part 2

[InCali]

So, Hilary in a landslide barring another Clinton scandal (Hilary caught cheating with Al Gore back when level scandal)? I'm not a Hilary person, but I don't see how she can lose to anyone out of the GoP at this point. I feel Trump will get annihilated by the independents out there.

I "think" that's true, but the thought of him being the GOP standard bearer gives me the creeps. The idea of him being that close to being elected president.....the GOP has come a long way since Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, Bush Sr., etc. My god, Bush Sr. looks like a moderate dem.

That won't cause a scandal, but Trump would win when the nationwide simultaneous cringing shifts the continent and drops California, Oregon and Washington into the ocean.

Hey, hey, hey.....I don't need to hear that. Trump would probably still lose the electoral college......I think......

 

[Dr. Evil]

Whatever happened to the party of Lincoln?

 

[Thundercrack85]

Whatever happened to the party of Lincoln?

The Democrats took up the mantle for human dignity in the 60's.

 

[Victarion]

I hear Megyn stumped the Trump tonight.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Trump not participate reeks of fear and, perhaps I'm spit balling here, a desire to end the race for himself. You know everyone else is going to use the opportunity to shred Trump. They all have to beat him and he won't be there to bully about.

 

[Warhammer]

When even Donald Trump refuses to be at a debate on Fox News, that's saying something about Fox News.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Fox News is the establishment, it's no wonder they don't like Trump.

Like him or not - and I don't know why you would - Trump is not a puppet.

 

[Taarna]

Fox News is the establishment, it's no wonder they don't like Trump.

Like him or not - and I don't know why you would - Trump is not a puppet.

Nor is he bought by corporations expecting political favors like 90% of the politicians are. Washington DC is broken. Trump can fix the problem.

Essentially Clinton types represent those filling their campaign and then, foundation wallets.

I expect Trump and Fox News to work well together after Donald wins Iowa and New Hampshire with the peace being made that Megyn Kelly is not Fox's primary person covering Trump.

 

[Frodo]

Fox News is the establishment, it's no wonder they don't like Trump.

Like him or not - and I don't know why you would - Trump is not a puppet.

Which is why I think the GOP establishment is kidding themselves to think that'll they'll be able to bring him to heel if he gets the nomination. If this debate stunt is any indication, the guy isn't gonna be taking orders from these people. Cruz wouldn't either, but to think Trump would is wishful thinking.

 

[InCali]

Nor is he bought by corporations expecting political favors like 90% of the politicians are. Washington DC is broken. Trump can fix the problem.

Essentially Clinton types represent those filling their campaign and then, foundation wallets.

I expect Trump and Fox News to work well together after Donald wins Iowa and New Hampshire with the peace being made that Megyn Kelly is not Fox's primary person covering Trump.

Yes. We all know that Tramp doesn't have a corporate mentality. Anyway, corporations are people and what's good for corporations is good for America. That's why Citizen's United was such a great decision. It allows corporations free speech as guaranteed in our constitution. It's not like it's going to allow corporations to dominate the political discourse in the United States. For the life of me, I don't see why they just don't allow corporations to vote.

If Tramp can't deal with Megyn Kelly, it makes him fit to be president. I see it all clearly now. Thanks for opening my eyes.

 

[summerteeth]

Which is why I think the GOP establishment is kidding themselves to think that'll they'll be able to bring him to heel if he gets the nomination. If this debate stunt is any indication, the guy isn't gonna be taking orders from these people. Cruz wouldn't either, but to think Trump would is wishful thinking.

I don't think they are fooling themselves, I just feel that at least Trump will listen to them and they can negotiate with him. Cruz will not listen and is going to do whatever he made his mind up to do.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

I do hope the hidden DNC debates draw more ratings than Fox News' tonight. I want real low numbers.

No one tune in, we must stoke the Don's ego even more!

 

[Handsome Rob]

Yes. We all know that Tramp doesn't have a corporate mentality. Anyway, corporations are people and what's good for corporations is good for America. That's why Citizen's United was such a great decision. It allows corporations free speech as guaranteed in our constitution. It's not like it's going to allow corporations to dominate the political discourse in the United States. For the life of me, I don't see why they just don't allow corporations to vote.

If Tramp can't deal with Megyn Kelly, it makes him fit to be president. I see it all clearly now. Thanks for opening my eyes.

Corporations already dominate political discourse and did long before Citizen's United:

Fox News is owned by News Corporation. So is the Wall Street Journal.
CNN is owned by Turner Broadcasting System, Inc.
NBC is owned by Comcast Corporation.
The New York Times is owned by The New York Times Company.
The Huffington Post is owned by Verizon Communications.

I could go on . . .

By virtue of these corporations having a press, they are not restricted by money and can endorse candidates or policy positions all they want. Newspaper editorial boards have been endorsing specific candidates forever --what is the monetary value on being able to say "We endorse Candidate A" to your 2,000,000 subscribers?

Anyway, let's say Trump wins the Republican nomination and FoxNews essentially starts supporting him. The board at Starbucks (a more liberal corporation) doesn't like that and wants to launch a major advertising counteroffensive that will cost an exceptional amount of money. Do you really believe that the board for Starbucks ought to be restricted in expressing their freedom of speech in how much it can donate to a liberal campaign, issue, or candidate, while News Corp should proceed with Trump-stumping with no such restrictions due to it having freedom of the press? That doesn't seem fair to me at all.

Also, corporations are not people, but the idea of corporate personhood is a longstanding legal idea that preceded Citizen's United. The word "corporation" itself is rooted in the Latin word "corpus," which can be translated "body."

 

[InCali]

Corporations already dominate political discourse and did long before Citizen's United:

Fox News is owned by News Corporation. So is the Wall Street Journal.
CNN is owned by Turner Broadcasting System, Inc.
NBC is owned by Comcast Corporation.
The New York Times is owned by The New York Times Company.
The Huffington Post is owned by Verizon Communications.

I could go on . . .

By virtue of these corporations having a press, they are not restricted by money and can endorse candidates or policy positions all they want. Newspaper editorial boards have been endorsing specific candidates forever --what is the monetary value on being able to say "We endorse Candidate A" to your 2,000,000 subscribers?

Anyway, let's say Trump wins the Republican nomination and FoxNews essentially starts supporting him. The board at Starbucks (a more liberal corporation) doesn't like that and wants to launch a major advertising counteroffensive that will cost an exceptional amount of money. Do you really believe that the board for Starbucks ought to be restricted in expressing their freedom of speech in how much it can donate to a liberal campaign, issue, or candidate, while News Corp should proceed with Trump-stumping with no such restrictions due to it having freedom of the press? That doesn't seem fair to me at all.

Also, corporations are not people, but the idea of corporate personhood is a longstanding legal idea that preceded Citizen's United. The word "corporation" itself is rooted in the Latin word "corpus," which can be translated "body."

Yes.

 

[InCali]

Corporations already dominate political discourse and did long before Citizen's United:

Fox News is owned by News Corporation. So is the Wall Street Journal.
CNN is owned by Turner Broadcasting System, Inc.
NBC is owned by Comcast Corporation.
The New York Times is owned by The New York Times Company.
The Huffington Post is owned by Verizon Communications.

I could go on . . .

By virtue of these corporations having a press, they are not restricted by money and can endorse candidates or policy positions all they want. Newspaper editorial boards have been endorsing specific candidates forever --what is the monetary value on being able to say "We endorse Candidate A" to your 2,000,000 subscribers?

Anyway, let's say Trump wins the Republican nomination and FoxNews essentially starts supporting him. The board at Starbucks (a more liberal corporation) doesn't like that and wants to launch a major advertising counteroffensive that will cost an exceptional amount of money. Do you really believe that the board for Starbucks ought to be restricted in expressing their freedom of speech in how much it can donate to a liberal campaign, issue, or candidate, while News Corp should proceed with Trump-stumping with no such restrictions due to it having freedom of the press? That doesn't seem fair to me at all.

Also, corporations are not people, but the idea of corporate personhood is a longstanding legal idea that preceded Citizen's United. The word "corporation" itself is rooted in the Latin word "corpus," which can be translated "body."

They are too people. I know because I heard Mitt Romney say so. And, where the linguistic roots of the word "corporation" spring is interesting, but irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[herakles]

Yes. We all know that Tramp doesn't have a corporate mentality. Anyway, corporations are people and what's good for corporations is good for America. That's why Citizen's United was such a great decision. It allows corporations free speech as guaranteed in our constitution. It's not like it's going to allow corporations to dominate the political discourse in the United States. For the life of me, I don't see why they just don't allow corporations to vote.

If Tramp can't deal with Megyn Kelly, it makes him fit to be president. I see it all clearly now. Thanks for opening my eyes.

I agree just like Unions are people too.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Yes.

Absolutely. Campaign Finance Reform is the number one issue facing America.



"Nobody in Iowa wants Trump for president. But everyone in Iowa wants someone just exactly like Trump for president"

 

[Handsome Rob]

Yes.

Why? What is your justification for restricting one corporation while giving the other free reign merely by the existence of a press outlet?

Because, the easy workaround is for all corporations who want to engage in political activity just need to form their own press outlet. Starbucks could just print their own pamphlet and get around any speech restrictions you want. Imagine it: thousands of stores, millions of customers, and each gets a cheap pamphlet called the "Starbucks Press" given to every customer that places an order that advocates for Candidate B or Political Position X once a week. Then, Citizen's United or not, your speech restrictions would be useless.

How would that be substantively different than Starbucks donating money for a commercial advocating for Candidate B/Position X, which would then be subject to monetary restrictions?

 

[Matt Mortem]

Nor is he bought by corporations expecting political favors like 90% of the politicians are. Washington DC is broken. Trump can fix the problem.

Essentially Clinton types represent those filling their campaign and then, foundation wallets.

I expect Trump and Fox News to work well together after Donald wins Iowa and New Hampshire with the peace being made that Megyn Kelly is not Fox's primary person covering Trump.

Here's a fun reality check for you Taarna: Donald J(ackass) Trump is his own wealthy, favor seeking political backer. As I've said before he just cut out the middle man.

 

[herakles]

Absolutely. Campaign Finance Reform is the number one issue facing America.



"Nobody in Iowa wants Trump for president. But everyone in Iowa wants someone just exactly like Trump for president"

We NEED term limits (18 years for each House) in the Legislative Branch before we get campaign reform.

 

[Handsome Rob]

They are too people. I know because I heard Mitt Romney say so. And, where the linguistic roots of the word "corporation" spring is interesting, but irrelevant to the discussion.

Actually, it's quite relevant to the discussion. Romney's opinion doesn't mean anything--the legal opinion does. And, the legal opinion is that a corporate entity does have some aspects of personhood. It can legally enter into a contract, while a business operated as a partnership cannot (but the partners themselves can). But, while a person can legally cast a vote for a candidate, a corporation cannot (ever). But if corporations were actually people . . .

So, when you go around saying corporations are people, you're wrong. Period. Romney's wrong. Period. They do have some aspects of personhood, though. That's important to understand; unless, of course, you just want to insist that something is true when it isn't just to advocate for your position. Then, by all means, go right ahead.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Here's a fun reality check for you Taarna: Donald J(ackass) Trump is his own wealthy, favor seeking political backer. As I've said before he just cut out the middle man.

That's a bit different though. He could conceivably enforce certain laws that benefit his position as a Real Estate Mogul but let's be honest, there's only one reason he's running for office and that is for his ego. What's the most important thing for a President to come away with? A great legacy. So I wouldn't have many fears of him running the Government for his personal wealth or the wealth of those that are members of his many golf courses. He doesn't need the money unlike other politicians. He's in it purely for his own ego and legacy.

 

[herakles]

Here's a fun reality check for you Taarna: Donald J(ackass) Trump is his own wealthy, favor seeking political backer. As I've said before he just cut out the middle man.

And that is WHY he scares the hell out of the establishment! Notice how EVERYONE attacks him. They are scared.

 

[InCali]

I agree just like Unions are people too.

I'm a union member and don't believe unions should be allowed to finance political campaigns. With my union not a dime of my dues goes to a political campaign. The only money that goes to political campaigns is a voluntary donation strictly earmarked by the person making the donation FOR political campaign purposes. That donation can be revoked at ANY time.

Elections are being bought by a few, very wealthy individuals whose self interest is completely different than mine. I'm not saying that corporate interests haven't always had a leg up, but, with the Citizens United (who the frell came up with THAT name anyway??), it's worse than it ever was.

Agree with Lex (for once!!! t: ) when he says that campaign finance reform is necessary.

 

[herakles]

I'm a union member and don't believe unions should be allowed to finance political campaigns. With my union not a dime of my dues goes to a political campaign. The only money that goes to political campaigns is a voluntary donation strictly earmarked by the person making the donation FOR political campaign purposes. That donation can be revoked at ANY time.

Elections are being bought by a few, very wealthy individuals whose self interest is completely different than mine. I'm not saying that corporate interests haven't always had a leg up, but, with the Citizens United (who the frell came up with THAT name anyway??), it's worse than it ever was.

Agree with Lex (for once!!! t: ) when he says that campaign finance reform is necessary.

Then how come California politics has been ruined by Unions then? Unions here essentially control the state.