Far From Home The Uncle Ben Problem

They're not gonna build up Michelle as Peter's love interest and then summarily get rid of her just to bring in another character also called MJ who will also be a love interest for Peter.

Yeah i suspect Michelle is here to stay for this incarnation.

Imo, it's been made clear that Michelle is the MCU's version of Mary Jane. So I highly doubt it's all some fake out with a real Mary Jane being introduced later.

I just don't like how they're riding the fence. I would have either preferred they just made Michelle a completely new character with no connection to Mary Jane i.e. using the MJ moniker or just call her Mary Jane and do a more faithful adaptation.
 
Agreed. I feel people are makign so many excuses just because it's the MCU. The fact that Tony has taken bens place will never stop bothering me

Listen guys. I love the MCU and what it's done for superhero films. At the same time, I'm not so rigid that I have to love everything about it. It's ok to be critical and not like EVERYTHING about the MCU. Not to mention, you can still dislike certain aspects and still be a fan and still like the MCU. It's OK to have conflicting thoughts.
 
Listen guys. I love the MCU and what it's done for superhero films. At the same time, I'm not so rigid that I have to love everything about it. It's ok to be critical and not like EVERYTHING about the MCU. Not to mention, you can still dislike certain aspects and still be a fan and still like the MCU. It's OK to have conflicting thoughts.

It's also OK to like changes if you feel they are positive.

I mean MCU ignoring Uncle Ben doesn't necessarily mean a person will have conflicting thoughts about this. There are people who want recognition about Ben existence and importance, there are people who don't want this.

That will depend of each person.
 
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It's also OK to like changes if you feel they are positive.

I mean MCU ignoring Uncle Ben doesn't necessarily mean a person will have conflicting thoughts about this. There are people who want recognition about Ben existence and importance, there are poeple who don't want this.

That will depend of each person.

Sure it is, but the opposite is true as well. That's what I'm saying. The problem with this post and some of these views is people act like not liking these things is an indictment on the entire MCU and means you hate the MCU.
 
They're not gonna build up Michelle as Peter's love interest and then summarily get rid of her just to bring in another character also called MJ who will also be a love interest for Peter.

I was obviously joking lol
 
Probably going to ruffle a few feathers when I say this but outside the first issues of the Ultimate Comics of the Ultimate Spider-Man series, Ben was never much a character in the comics. In Amazing Fantasy #15 Ben was like in one or two pages in that whole issue. Beyond he wasn’t really much beyond being Peter’s loving uncle that he indirectly ended up killing. Besides, Ben got plenty of focus in the previous movies(especially the Riami ones which were to their determinant in some ways). So why not take a new angle with this character? After all, there’s plenty of issues of Spider-Man where Ben doesn’t even get so much as a namedrop because they know they’d be beating horse. Why not explore the core Spider-Man theme of loss in a new way through this surrogate father-son relationship between Tony and Peter?

Ben always existed as motivation fuel for Peter. He doesn’t really serve much purpose beyond that. This is the MCU Spider-Man, and Ben is already dead and gone when we first we meet this iteration of Peter. Peter alludes to Ben’s passing when he explains to Tony his reasons for doing what he does when they first meet Peter isn’t going to be wallowing in grief over his deceased loved one forever. Tony Stark is his most recent mentor figure that has had a huge impact on his life. He’s had time to grieve Ben, Tony is a emotional wound that’s still fresh in his mind. Tony is the one character most audiences care about. Much like Peter in-universe; audiences are sad to see Tony go. I remember seeing eyes well up when Tony died. Peter mourning Tony Stark is going to have a lot more emotionally resonance to the most the MCU-watching audiences than him mourning a character who died off-screen and in the context of the MCU they have no connection to. Especially since the audience has seen way more of Tony than they ever saw of Ben Parker who generally dies off pretty early at the start of any Spider-Man story so I think it makes sense to place a greater importance on Tony than on Ben.

Couple of things...

It's a good thing we have differing opinions and views. Can you imagine how boring this place would be if everyone agreed all the time?

The important point about the Ultimate Spider-Man comics is that it DID make a point to show how important Ben is to Peter. Bendis went into sufficient depth about Ben and his education to Peter about responsibility. I don't have the best memory about the Ultimate line so I can't remember specifically if Ben was brought up again in later issues. But it didn't have to. The first few arcs made it perfectly clear about the importance of Ben and his impact on Peter.

Even in 616, the main continuity, Ben was referenced at times outside of the initial stories. The first one that comes to mind is issue #33. One of the greatest Spider-Man stories of all time, comes as Peter is entering college and makes a point of showing Ben and what he instilled in Peter. Again though they didn't have to show Ben in every issue because they made it a point to show his influence initially but would still continue to make the occasional reference when the story would call for it.

MCU Spider-Man has skipped this entirely. And not directed at you but for the umpteenth time this does NOT mean having to show the origin again. Showing Ben's importance or influence doesn't need to include showing him die, yet again. I'm happy they skipped the origin. However all Ben has received here is a brief mention. Twice. And not one person has said his name. For what is arguably a very important part of Peter as a character, they won't even say his name. Imo this is inexcusable. What's worse is they've replaced him with Tony.

I've argued this before but imo I think the MCU version of Spider-Man would've been different had he been available to their universe from the get go instead of having to be inserted later. With Spider-Man coming into an already established continuity they had to make certain choices to make it work. Otherwise I think the Tony thing wouldn't have been utilized.

I don't disagree with having Tony as a mentor. It makes sense in this regard for Peter to look up to him. But two things. Peter doesn't need to be so clingy. He can still be a competent young guy without having to rely so much on a mentor. And you can still play the mentor card while paying respect to Peter's first and most important father figure.

While I can accept certain changes, this one in particular is difficult to get past. I dunno, maybe FFH will sort of make up for this flaw within Homecoming. We'll see.
 
https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-challenge-of-making-and-marketing-spider-man-far-f-1835949557

“We had to deal with the events of Endgame and especially how the loss of Tony Stark is going to affect Peter,” Watts said. “But we had to also maintain the fun, high school tone we had established in Homecoming. So that was part of the challenge. But loss is such a big part of what makes Spider-Man who he is in the comics. So there was definitely a way to embrace those iconic stories from the comics and find a way to bring them to life, just in a slightly different way by using Tony’s death instead of Uncle Ben.”
 
I feel that Ben Parker still has presence seeing as the suitcase Peter uses is his with the inscription (BFP) Benjamin Franklin Parker.
 
https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-challenge-of-making-and-marketing-spider-man-far-f-1835949557

“We had to deal with the events of Endgame and especially how the loss of Tony Stark is going to affect Peter,” Watts said. “But we had to also maintain the fun, high school tone we had established in Homecoming. So that was part of the challenge. But loss is such a big part of what makes Spider-Man who he is in the comics. So there was definitely a way to embrace those iconic stories from the comics and find a way to bring them to life, just in a slightly different way by using Tony’s death instead of Uncle Ben.”
THEY LITERALLY ADMITTED TO IT HOLY ****

Yeah, **** every single goddamn thing about this annoying ass , "MISTUR STARK MISTUR STARK" ass, CGI ass Spider-Man

A ****ing suitcase doesn't make up for it, and I haven't seen FFH yet, but I highly doubt they have anything else to make up for neglecting one of the most important role models in Peter's life and other defining elements of Peter either.

Literally the same problems with Homecoming seem to be dialed up to 11 in this new one from the looks of it
 
I started reading the Spider-Man comics in the early 60's. Read them up to the late 80's (circumstances caused me to give up all comics for many years).....occasionally still read some back issues. I'm sure my memory isn't perfect....but as far as I remember....Uncle Ben was NOT the main focus of every single issue of the series. He is mentioned now and then....he is credited with helping to form Peter's personality....but the books do not constantly talk about him. When I was younger....I expected a movie or TV adaptation of a comic book to be exact and perfect. Now I just hope they give it a good try to be similar. I accept that there will be differences. It doesn't mean I won't be disappointed in some things....but I don't lose sleep over them.
 
There's just no excuse for replacing Peter's motivation from/mourning over Ben with a motivation from/mourning over Tony. None beyond it being for the sake of MCU continuity .

You don't have to show him dying. You dont have to mention him every five seconds.

But at least give SOME sense that he actually ****ing matters to Peter...
 
I just find it weird that Peter or May don't even say Ben's name as he's literally the reason why Peter decided to be a hero. It feels like the MCU is downplaying the significance of Uncle Ben to the Peter Parker character and that Tony is the only father figure that Peter Parker truly ever cared about.
 
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THEY LITERALLY ADMITTED TO IT HOLY ****

Yeah, **** every single goddamn thing about this annoying ass , "MISTUR STARK MISTUR STARK" ass, CGI ass Spider-Man

A ****ing suitcase doesn't make up for it, and I haven't seen FFH yet, but I highly doubt they have anything else to make up for neglecting one of the most important role models in Peter's life and other defining elements of Peter either.

Literally the same problems with Homecoming seem to be dialed up to 11 in this new one from the looks of it

Smh Relax...
 
THEY LITERALLY ADMITTED TO IT HOLY ****

Yeah, **** every single goddamn thing about this annoying ass , "MISTUR STARK MISTUR STARK" ass, CGI ass Spider-Man

A ****ing suitcase doesn't make up for it, and I haven't seen FFH yet, but I highly doubt they have anything else to make up for neglecting one of the most important role models in Peter's life and other defining elements of Peter either.

Literally the same problems with Homecoming seem to be dialed up to 11 in this new one from the looks of it
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Chill man.

I didn't even like this movie but... Yeah, chill.
 
If you guys think I'm seriously flipping out while typing ****, I'm not lol. Moreso overexagerrating for the sake of self amusement or whatever. But I guess that's not allowed or something :o

Don't tell me no one caught my Breaking Bad reference either lol
 
I'd be curious to hear how
Happy got Aunt May so smitten with him so quickly after the most likely recent murder of her husband.
 
I'd be curious to hear how
Happy got Aunt May so smitten with him so quickly after the most likely recent murder of her husband.
Blipping and coming back puts stuff in perspective?

Or more likely... When you do something JUST FOR LAUGHS, you throw any kind of logic and reasoning out the window. As long as you land the jokes, which is the purpose of doing anything humorous, nothing else really matters. And that I would argue is what happened here. In CW we learn Spidey has been doing his thing as a costumed hero for what... Months? So Ben, who is obviously referenced in Peter's talk to Tony, is months dead. Then Peter goes off to Germany. He returns home and the events of HC take place. Then there MUST be at least a two gap because that's the time Cap and the others are on the run. In IW War Machine says it must have been a rough couple of years. So it was at least two years since the fight in Germany. Then the Snap happens and as we learned May was one of the Snapped, or "Blipped". Then another five years and then the events of EG. So for May, it's been a little less than two years since Ben died. I GUESS that's enough time to move on... But let's be honest... May is not much of a character so far in the MCU Spidey's orbit. Really... She's serviceable but not all that developed in CW and HC, but in FFH... I don't know what the hell the character is about outside of them wanting to use her seemingly just for levity's sake.
 
It's true, actually. The MCU characters (Tony, Happy, Fury) mean much more to Peter's development than the "normal" loved ones in his life.
 
It's true, actually. The MCU characters (Tony, Happy, Fury) mean much more to Peter's development than the "normal" loved ones in his life.
I mean, I guess Ned is the solid good friend, though he's more an MCU amalgamation type character, no? Still... Even the character that's supposed to be his love interest, a version of MJ, which I will note, I have zero problems with the changes, the race bending, even the change up in characterization... Still... What is that relationship and character all about exactly? In HC she's almost this strange background character and then there's the MJ reveal and it's supposed to mean something to us as fans cuz of the initials but then here in FFH... We don't really get any more out of the character than what we got in HC. She's the designated love interest. Okay... AND? We don't even get why either is actually infatuated with the other really. I mean in HC Peter was actually much more interested in ANOTHER girl for the whole film's run time. Now we start off FFH with him planning out a romantic moment with MJ because he developed this crush for her in the gap between HC/IW and the return to life in EG/the start of FFH. Which we saw ZERO of. It's cool and all that she becomes part of the plot to foil the villain but even then... Eh... it's just happenstance. The projector fell near her. Then, like all good love interests she gets targeted by the bad guys. It's all very rote and boilerplate and does nothing really to expand on the character. She's a sarcastic cypher at the end of FFH just as she was when she showed up in HC the first time only now she's the love interest, cuz... Well cuz the writers say so because Peter Parker's love interest is always MJ. But they haven't given me any reasons why or why I should care and frankly... I don't feel this palpable chemistry between them either.
 
It's true, actually. The MCU characters (Tony, Happy, Fury) mean much more to Peter's development than the "normal" loved ones in his life.

Yea this bugs me. I'm in support of different interpretations or changing things up because of the prior 2 live action iterations of Spidey but you know how you change it up without it being ignorant of the Spider-Man mythos? You make Flash a more important character in this continuity. You make Betty Brant the love interest.

That's what's driving me crazy, is that for all the pleading we or I did for Marvel Studios to get the rights to Spider-Man, its stunning to me that they are squandering his rich supporting cast in favor of characters that don't historically have nearly as much impact with Peter as they do in the MCU.
 
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