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They're actually reprinting the entire Sailor Moon collection this year, as well as Codename Sailor V for the first time in North America. So, I'm very much in the now.

I'm going to buy that :up:

I loves the Sailor Moon manga but I lost a lot of my collection a while ago will be great to collect it again

Darthphere said:
But totally not ok with conservative politics in comic books right?

Yep

If someone wants to write a comic book featuring conservative politics they can

But i won't like it won't buy it and I won't read it because it will be of no interest to me at all
 
I think he has homes and Angelina lives there as well in The South Of France.
 
Yep

If someone wants to write a comic book featuring conservative politics they can

But i won't like it won't buy it and I won't read it because it will be of no interest to me at all

Yeah, but this was written in Action Comics #900, not the Bill Maher Comic Collection. There's no place for it.
 
Tons of stories have political bends in some ways. Does Mr. Fantastic taking a dump on NASA, or Batman turning into a globalized hero (much bigger stories) send a similar fury down your spin?

I'm going to buy that :up:

I loves the Sailor Moon manga but I lost a lot of my collection a while ago will be great to collect it again

I never got the Tokyopop releases, which I think were the only official releases here in the States. I mainly didn't get them because I couldn't afford to get them at the time and heard bad things about the translations. I read online translations, though.
 
I can't deal with anything too left or too right in anything, its pretty toxic. With that being said, I have no problems with having something thats patriotic if it is done in a respectable manner.
 
Let me know if you do I might want to hire you :up:
will do
infusion of politics, of any kind, is completely unnecessary....and favoring one and not the other makes you a total hypocrite, Mysti
exactly

But i thought the customer was always right ;)
i've got 2 main rules
1- nothing that will leave a scar
2- my bum is off limits

Wow I realized I was unsubscribed from this thread for 2 days and there's already 12 pages.

Anywoo, Has anyone read Gotham Noir? I just picked it up from work and was wondering if anyone has read it, it's been out of print since it was released.
yes, i enjoyed it. not a batman story at all though, it's like a sam spade story where dick is the p.i. (:awesome:) and all the characters in the story happen to share the names of batman characters. i think brubaker wrote it.

Yeah, but this was written in Action Comics #900, not the Bill Maher Comic Collection. There's no place for it.
exactly, and this is superman. mysti, how would you feel if in the first issue of batwoman the writer had her say that homosexuality was a choice and she was choosing not be gay anymore? a little miffed right? same idea here.
 
Tons of stories have political bends in some ways. Does Mr. Fantastic taking a dump on NASA, or Batman turning into a globalized hero (much bigger stories) send a similar fury down your spin?
the batman one yes, the mr. fantastic not so much...because he's just a dick in general
 
I thought the story was goofy because I think its silly for Superman to be a citizen of any country. He's an extraterrestrial

But I am fine with Superman comic books dealing with political themes and social issues if its better written than that

Or Grounded
 
Tons of stories have political bends in some ways. Does Mr. Fantastic taking a dump on NASA, or Batman turning into a globalized hero (much bigger stories) send a similar fury down your spin?

No, because those things are not even close to being similar to what happened in AC #900. The issue here is, leave your politics at home. It seems everything is so skewed to the left politically in comics it's tiring. I consider myself a liberal, but I don't read comics to promote my political views. Imagine a story written by a conservative writer with Superman telling a woman that abortion is wrong and she'll go to hell for doing it. I'm sure that wouldn't make it out of the paper shredder.
 
No, because those things are not even close to being similar to what happened in AC #900.

How so? The thing with Mr. Fantastic was obviously a thinly veiled jab at NASA shutting down one of their programs at the time, and Batman becoming globalized shadows a lot of how the world is going with a more global mindset. It's injecting a political bend to the characters in a similar manner. Probably even more so than this story, which I see more socially than politically anyway.

The issue here is, leave your politics at home. It seems everything is so skewed to the left politically in comics it's tiring. I consider myself a liberal, but I don't read comics to promote my political views. Imagine a story written by a conservative writer with Superman telling a woman that abortion is wrong and she'll go to hell for doing it. I'm sure that wouldn't make it out of the paper shredder.

Now, that really is a different beast, since that would be like a moral play or something. I will agree with downplaying the Iran stuff, but you and others are simply taking this way too radically than I see was intended.
 
No, because those things are not even close to being similar to what happened in AC #900. The issue here is, leave your politics at home. It seems everything is so skewed to the left politically in comics it's tiring.

I like that about comic books

Its one of the main reasons that my favourite writers are Greg Rucka and Gail Simone :up: I :hrt: comics written by left wing writers that promote liberal views and i am happy that most comics are skewed to the left

Tron Bonne said:
I never got the Tokyopop releases, which I think were the only official releases here in the States. I mainly didn't get them because I couldn't afford to get them at the time and heard bad things about the translations. I read online translations, though.

Neat were they good Tron Bonne
 
I thought the story was goofy because I think its silly for Superman to be a citizen of any country. He's an extraterrestrial

I actually think that's part of the point. It is silly for him to be seen purely as an American Icon for the American Way, especially nowadays. That's pretty much how I see the story. It's not anti-America or Amercia bashing or that he can't be associated with America at all in the least, it's just that it's no long about the 'American Way', it's all the whole way.

Neat were they good Tron Bonne

Yeah, they were, but with fan translations it's always somewhat iffy. Of course, I guess you could say that for translations in general, though.
 
I like that about comic books

Its one of the main reasons that my favourite writers are Greg Rucka and Gail Simone :up: I :hrt: comics written by left wing writers that promote liberal views and i am happy that most comics are skewed to the left

I'm saddened that you actually believe that.
 
I actually think that's part of the point. It is silly for him to be seen purely as an American Icon for the American Way, especially nowadays. That's pretty much how I see the story. It's not anti-America or Amercia bashing or that he can't be associated with America at all in the least, it's just that it's no long about the 'American Way', it's all the whole way.

He maybe an alien, but I don't know how else to say this WAS RAISED AS AN AMERICAN. Jonathan Kent would be ****ing ashamed of Clark for going in front of the world and pretty much saying he doesn't want to be an American anymore. Truth, Justice and all that other stuff were morals and beliefs put into him by the very AMERICAN Jonathan and Martha Kent. Again, he doesn't want to be used to push forward American political agendas, fine. But to me, going in front of the world and renouncing your citizenship to the country you have been living in your whole life is a big ****ing deal.
 
I actually think that's part of the point. It is silly for him to be seen purely as an American Icon for the American Way, especially nowadays. That's pretty much how I see the story. It's not anti-America or Amercia bashing or that he can't be associated with America at all in the least, it's just that it's no long about the 'American Way', it's all the whole way.

Good point

Yeah, they were, but with fan translations it's always somewhat iffy. Of course, I guess you could say that for translations in general, though.

Yep there are some really awful translations out there both official and online
 
Let me put it this way. Superman is an American character that grew and grew to become a global icon. Doesn't remove the fact that Superman is still an American character. No other country, no other writer from a different country would allow something like this to be done with their characters. Captain Britian, **** England I'm an Avenger I belong to the world! **** Wakanda, I'm Black Panther let those mother****ers rot.
 
He maybe an alien, but I don't know how else to say this WAS RAISED AS AN AMERICAN. Jonathan Kent would be ****ing ashamed of Clark for going in front of the world and pretty much saying he doesn't want to be an American anymore. Truth, Justice and all that other stuff were morals and beliefs put into him by the very AMERICAN Jonathan and Martha Kent. Again, he doesn't want to be used to push forward American political agendas, fine. But to me, going in front of the world and renouncing your citizenship to the country you have been living in your whole life is a big ****ing deal.

Let me put it this way. Superman is an American character that grew and grew to become a global icon. Doesn't remove the fact that Superman is still an American character. No other country, no other writer from a different country would allow something like this to be done with their characters. Captain Britian, **** England I'm an Avenger I belong to the world! **** Wakanda, I'm Black Panther let those mother****ers rot.

You see, you see it as some kind of 'F off, America' type of thing, when I don't see it that way. Scoffing off isolation just to embrace everything else does mean a slight to that country that's tried to be isolated.
 
You see, you see it as some kind of 'F off, America' type of thing, when I don't see it that way. Scoffing off isolation just to embrace everything else does mean a slight to that country that's tried to be isolated.

That's ridiculous. If you went to a town hall meeting and said "Hey my parents are terrible people, I want nothing to do with them!" is that ok? Essentially, Superman is planning on doing the same thing. He's going to the United Nations, in front of the world, and saying he's choosing not the be an American citizen anymore for reasons X, Y, and Z, again I don't see how as an American myself I'm supposed to be "Ok that's cool he's a global icon anyway, it's fine that he's pretty much embarrassing us in front of all these countries that hate us." Because realistically, Iran and all these other countries will be like "Ha-ha, not even Superman wants to be part of America anymore, more nukes!"

I see this from a different angle as well. In my family, I was the first American born child. My parents and sisters were born in Nicaragua. While I respect that culture and enjoy visiting, the United States of America is my country, the fact that my parents were from Nicaragua, like Clark's parents were from Krypton doesn't change the fact that were both mother****ing Americans.
 
He maybe an alien, but I don't know how else to say this WAS RAISED AS AN AMERICAN. Jonathan Kent would be ****ing ashamed of Clark for going in front of the world and pretty much saying he doesn't want to be an American anymore. Truth, Justice and all that other stuff were morals and beliefs put into him by the very AMERICAN Jonathan and Martha Kent. Again, he doesn't want to be used to push forward American political agendas, fine. But to me, going in front of the world and renouncing your citizenship to the country you have been living in your whole life is a big ****ing deal.

Superman is not saying he is ashamed of being raised in America Darth

He is just trying to say that he is not just going to fight crime and injustice in america

Though as he has never only fought crime and injustive in America it does not make a lot of sense but its not offensive or anything

Or at least it doesn't seem to be to me
 
That's ridiculous. If you went to a town hall meeting and said "Hey my parents are terrible people, I want nothing to do with them!" is that ok?

Yeah, but again, you're looking at it purely from a nationalistic 'You either love it or leave it' kind of attitude and getting way too hung up on the action as opposed to the symbolism behind it. I didn't see the story or the scene like that at all. It's not Anti-American, it's Pro-World. It could have been done better, I've already said, but I simply do not see how you can see the story this way.
 
Superman is not saying he is ashamed of being raised in America Darth

He is just trying to say that he is not just going to fight crime and injustice in america

Though as he has never only fought crime and injustive in America it does not make a lot of sense but its not offensive or anything

Or at least it doesn't seem to be to me

Did you even read the comic? That's not what he said at all.:huh:

Again, his reasoning is sound, I've said that already. It's the way he's going about doing it is wrong.
 
Yeah, but again, you're looking at it purely from a nationalistic 'You either love it or leave it' kind of attitude and getting way too hung up on the action as opposed to the symbolism behind it. I didn't see the story or the scene like that at all. It's not Anti-American, it's Pro-World. It could have been done better, I've already said, but I simply do not see how you can see the story this way.

Symbolism is for people that don't get **** done. Again, he can be pro world all he wants, I'm fine with that but again, you don't have to stop being an American to be Pro-World. I don't have to stop being an ******* to be pro-world. You don't have to stop being gay or straight to be pro-world. You don't have to give up anything to be pro-world.
 
Symbolism is for people that don't get **** done.

Yeah, whatever the hell that means :huh:

Again, he can be pro world all he wants, I'm fine with that but again, you don't have to stop being an American to be Pro-World. I don't have to stop being an ******* to be pro-world. You don't have to stop being gay or straight to be pro-world. You don't have to give up anything to be pro-world.

You don't have to, and Superman won't. He'll still be in America, he'll probably still even have a flag or two, but that's not the point. You're just wanting to dissect it to the nitpickiest details or morph it into something it's not because you see it as Anti-American, and it's not. Sorry that you hate symbolism or whatever, but that's obviously what the story was going for.
 
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