The Wachowskis Returning to Sci-Fi with Jupiter Ascending - Part 1

I thought The W's didn't quite reach the DBZ aspirations they were aiming for at the last Neo vs Smith fight.

Zack Snyder did though with Man of Steel 10 years later. Now those were as DBZ as you can get.

I actually much prefer the final Neo/Smith fight to the Superman/Zod fight.

This thread has become a lot more enjoyable since we started discussing Reloaded.

I like how Neo doesn't carry guns after embracing his role as the One, it keeps him, ah, pure, I guess, (Altough I don't remember if he uses any guns in Revolutions, it's been a while since I've seen the films).

He never touches a gun after the first film, unless you count when he briefly picks up the EMP gun in the confrontation with Bane/Smith in Revolutions.
 
I don't mind if he does. Jeff's regime had questionable decisions *cough*No female leads*cough*.

Robinov is such a frustrating guy. It's nice that he'll go to bat and give some up-and-comers shots at directing films (he gave the Wachowskis too many second chances), but on other things he flat out refuses to broaden his horizons or take risks with actors and filmmakers of the opposite sex.

If he'd won that coveted position at WB (rather than Kevin Tsujihara), we wouldn't have this massive DC film line-up -- just a mix of more Batman and Superman films. And we certainly wouldn't be seeing Wonder Woman in BVS or her solo film if Robinov had his way.
 
[Neo] shooting "fire" from his hands would have been something quite different.

In actuality, it was more like a ball of chi energy.

I took some screenshots of the concept art from Disc #10 of The Ultimate Matrix Collection, entitled The Zion Archives, that show what I was referring to:

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Also, I found this image knocking around my hard drive and thought of you :cwink: :

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I think we should set up a user Poll for this movie. I plan on seeing it soon. Then I want to cast ma vote!
 
Wachowskis won't get a large budget again unless of course they're doing a franchise film. Even then, they'll probably have to tone s*** down.

Say Hello to The Matrix Reborn coming May 2017. :oldrazz: :o
 
If the Matrix films are remade. Antje Traue MUST be the new Trinity. She's got the sexy androgynous look down.

Bloom as the new Neo. He is wooden enough.
 
If there is another Matrix movie, the Wachowskis say they have no interest in doing it.
 
Sadly, it seems increasingly unlikely that I'll actually like Jupiter Ascending.

The accusation I'm hearing again and again is that the Wachowskis are picking up narrative threads and then dropping them without the necessary payoffs.

If true, this is startlingly un-Wachowski-like, considering that all of their previous films are committed to the setup-and-payoff paradigm so typical of mainstream Hollywood movies.
 
In actuality, it was more like a ball of chi energy.

I took some screenshots of the concept art from Disc #10 of The Ultimate Matrix Collection, entitled The Zion Archives, that show what I was referring to:

matrix_reloaded_concept_chi_ball.jpg


matrix_reloaded_concept_chi_ball_1.jpg


matrix_reloaded_concept_chi_ball_2.jpg


matrix_reloaded_concept_chi_ball_3.jpg



Also, I found this image knocking around my hard drive and thought of you :cwink: :

Oh this is pretty neat! I havent seen these before. Is there anything else like this?
 
There are some storyboards of Smith sprouting arms like Lord Shiva, the Hindu deity, and pummeling Neo into the crater in The Matrix Revolutions.

Neo then counter attacks with his "hadouken," which sends Smith into the crater wall.

In the finished film, they just exchange blows and Neo delivers a "double punch" that sends Smith into the crater instead of the originally conceived "hadouken."

There's also some great concept art for alternate designs of the Machine City. Inevitably, one of them looked a lot like the Skynet pyramid from the Terminator mythology!

I highly recommend buying The Ultimate Matrix Collection. You can check out the trailer HERE.
 
Also, I found this image knocking around my hard drive and thought of you :cwink: :

Matrix_homage_poster.jpg



Man i really need to start up my back up drive again for matrix art and storyboards. I so remember the rumors of the mirror fight with the twins and neo in revolutions and double swords.
 
I finally saw this. I liked it fine, but I definitely wish I had more. My main problem is the compressed, rushed feeling of the thing. The script isn't plain, it has twists and turns and betrayals and weddings and all that, but there's not much room to breathe, I certainly didn't care as much as I was supposed to. Stuff happens too quickly, there's a feeling of gradualness that's missing in Jupiter's journey. The world they're creating also feels much more scatterbrained than The Matrix's... which isn't a terrible thing, but it's missing something to make it "THAT" world, something that belongs to this movie alone. I still admire a lot about the mindset behind the thing, I feel the pieces were there to be just the kind of movie I wanted it to be... even though it wasn't. The set pieces were a lot of fun though, especially the Chicago chase, which had me fanboying like crazy. That alone earns it a DVD buy.
 
Jupiter Ascending (Wachowski, 2015):



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Jupiter Ascending is exactly like The Matrix. Both Jupiter Ascending and the Wachowskis' paradigm-shifting chef-d'oeuvre finely stitch together comprehensively immersive universes from a polymathic range of interests and influences. Both films attempt to make sweeping commentaries about life, love, humanity and society. And both films wrap these ideas in comforting genre conventions, all whilst searing our eyeballs with audaciously dreamlike visuals.

Jupiter Ascending is, also, absolutely nothing like The Matrix. Where the films diverge is in their style and tone. Where The Matrix engineered a grimy, industrial aesthetic that reveled in rebellious cool, Jupiter Ascending celebrates its own silliness, pitching itself somewhere between the Wachowskis' cubist experiment Speed Racer (2008) and the Neo Seoul storyline in their pantheistic opus Cloud Atlas (2012).

The real question, then, is not: "Does Jupiter Ascending live up to The Matrix?" Rather, the question is: "Does Jupiter Ascending live up to its own ambitions?"

The short answer is: "Yes."

Set to a palette of unhinged imagination that evokes both Brazil (Gilliam, 1985) and Alejandro Jodorowsky's conceptual artwork for his conspicuously unproduced adaptation of Frank Herbert's 1965 novel, 'Dune', Jupiter Ascending has all the childish abandon of a Saturday morning cartoon show from the '80s, like ThunderCats or He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. It has just as many thrills and spills and excuses to giggle as something like the recent Guardians of the Galaxy (Gunn, 2014). Every action scene would end with a realisation that my fingernails were set deep into my palms; proof enough that the Wachowskis haven't lost their penchant for directing visceral action. And the Wachowskis haven't lost their penchant for crafting cool characters, either. The likes of Channing Tatum's wolf-spliced bounty hunter, Caine Wise, and Eddie Redmayne's flying dino-henchmen strut into the duo's Badass Hall of Fame with effortless swagger. Even the unfairly maligned Eddie Redmayne himself – dripping with disconcertingly Oedipal sensuality – has every chance of being remembered for an iconic performance, even if it's for all the wrong reasons.

Speaking of unfair malignment, the film's plot does not lack focus, despite myriad accusations to the contrary. The primary narrative and emotional drive of the film is that of Mila Kunis' regal recurrence wanting to re-unite with her family back on Earth, but being compelled instead to confront the cosmic duties that have been thrust upon her. This emotional anchor works because we actually care about Kunis' birth family, specifically her mother (Maria Doyle Kennedy), with whom she shares a genuine warmth and love in the film's opening reel. Their relationship pays off in the film's climax, and is arguably the real "love story" at the heart of the film.

It's not that Mila Kunis' refreshingly female-assertive romance with Channing Tatum doesn't work, because their chemistry crackles with endearing playfulness; but it ends up playing more like a subplot than the A-story, which may also be why some audiences were left emotionally distanced from the film. The other reason people may have felt distanced was the fast pace. When the credits roll, the audience feels like they just want more of everything – more of Caine's anti-gravity acrobatics, more of Jupiter's ostentatious wardrobe, more beautiful worlds for your eyes to feast on, more interplay with Tatum and Kunis, more backstory about Stinger's history, more Abrassax conspiracies... And yet, when you look back on the film, you realise that it was packed to bursting point with all of the above. As we swiftly follow Mila Kunis through a fascinating cross-section of the latest Wachowski-verse, the journey is perhaps a little too swift, a little too condensed. The positive is that there is plenty to mull over during repeated viewings – the jargon of Caine and Stinger, for example, evokes worlds and images in the way a novel might. The negative, however, is that audiences may have trouble settling into the groove of the story.

Jupiter Ascending would have pre-dated its contemporaries in space fiction, Guardians of the Galaxy and Interstellar (Nolan, 2014), had it not been pushed back several months from its original 2014 release date. There is a noteworthy comparison to be made by way of Jupiter Ascending taking the fun-but-vapid space cowboy genre conventions of the former, and combining it with the somber, socially aware commentary on human consumption and collonisation of the latter. The coincidence that these films occurred within approximately half a year of one another is a graphic confirmation of the Wachowskis' mission to combine high concept with high thinking. Perhaps even more importantly is the fact that Jupiter Ascending rejects both the realist mantra of Christopher Nolan and the reluctantly fantastical tone of James Gunn, choosing instead to use its outlandish budget to construct the most lavish cosmic phantasmagoria that we have ever seen. It is a graphic confirmation that the Wachowskis' sense of artistic exploration, in an industry that clings in terror to the status quo, is as awe-inspiring as any space adventure.

Jupiter Ascending may not the best entry in the Wachowskis' filmography, but it is among their most visionary. That's saying something.


★★★★★
 
Seen it twice now. Solid 9/10 for me.

Here is my review that I posted on amazon.com:

Let me start by saying that this movie is NOT for everyone, but I really, really enjoyed it. It's a weird movie(and I do mean WEIRD), and because of that I'm not really surprised by the extremely toxic reaction most people seem to have had to it. The lengthy scene leading up the Terry Gilliam cameo is probably one of the most insanely bizarre things I've seen in a film in the last few years. Is it a silly movie? Yes. Is it over the top? Yes. Is it cheesy? Yep. You know what though... I loved every single silly, over the top, cheesy second of it.

I think most people have seriously misunderstood what Lana and Andy Wachowski were going for with this film. It's a huge, silly, over the top, intentionally campy, bizarre, insane, visually sumptuous, and extremely fun space opera that harkens back to the pulpy science fiction yarns of the 1930s and 1940s. Basically, at least for me, this film succeeded in doing what George Lucas was trying to do(but failed) with the STAR WARS prequels. Like the prequels, this is a universe where a kiss essentially equals consummation. With that in mind, I actually found the love story between Jupiter and Caine to be extremely sweet and effective. I also loved that Jupiter Jones' story arc is essentially a way to convey the message that it is in fact possible for someone to obtain unlimited wealth and power and still remain an untainted good person. Michael Giacchino's score is also a highlight, with the music he wrote here being some of the finest of his already amazing career.

Look, Jupiter Ascending is most certainly not a perfect film. It has some flaws, but the film mostly accomplishes what it set out to do. Out of 10, I'd probably give it a 9. That might actually go up after I've been able to spend more time with it. It's an extremely busy film and I feel as though I really need to see it a few more times to absorb everything. I hate to call something an instant cult classic, but I'm really tempted to make an exception with this film. I really do envy the children of today who will get to grow up with this as a staple of their childhood. In ten years time, I suspect some of the people who disliked the film will have re-evaluated their opinion of it.
 
Look, Jupiter Ascending is most certainly not a perfect film. It has some flaws, but the film mostly accomplishes what it set out to do. Out of 10, I'd probably give it a 9. That might actually go up after I've been able to spend more time with it. It's an extremely busy film and I feel as though I really need to see it a few more times to absorb everything. I hate to call something an instant cult classic, but I'm really tempted to make an exception with this film. I really do envy the children of today who will get to grow up with this as a staple of their childhood. In ten years time, I suspect some of the people who disliked the film will have re-evaluated their opinion of it.

It has flaws indeed (many flaws according to most people), but a 9 or maybe even higher? You're really a Wachowskis superfan, because if you give this movie a 9, then what do you give to Interstellar, a 20? And Nolan's film is also flawed, but vastly superior to Jupiter... Crashing.
 
It has flaws indeed (many flaws according to most people), but a 9 or maybe even higher? You're really a Wachowskis superfan, because if you give this movie a 9, then what do you give to Interstellar, a 20? And Nolan's film is also flawed, but vastly superior to Jupiter... Crashing.

Comparing the quality of one film to the quality of another film in a completely different genre is pointless. I try to judge a film for whether or not it accomplishes what it set out to do and how much I enjoyed it. For me, JA is flawed, but mostly accomplishes what it set out to do, just as Interstellar is flawed, but mostly accomplishes what it set out to do. They are also both extremely different types of films and I enjoyed both of them. And just FYI, I also gave Interstellar a 9/10. And another FYI, while I do like the Wachowskis and most of their films, JA is the first film since The Matrix that I've loved.

But anyway, thanks for being an ass and insulting me for simply liking a movie more than you did... much appreciated.
 
Comparing the quality of one film to the quality of another film in a completely different genre is pointless. I try to judge a film for whether or not it accomplishes what it set out to do and how much I enjoyed it. For me, JA is flawed, but mostly accomplishes what it set out to do, just as Interstellar is flawed, but mostly accomplishes what it set out to do. They are also both extremely different types of films and I enjoyed both of them. And just FYI, I also gave Interstellar a 9/10. And another FYI, while I do like the Wachowskis and most of their films, JA is the first film since The Matrix that I've loved.

But anyway, thanks for being an ass and insulting me for simply liking a movie more than you did... much appreciated.
Not that you are wrong, but I always find this interesting. I totally get personal preference, but judging a movie on what it is trying to accomplish? What if a movie is intending to be horrible? Does it succeed by being so?
 
Not that you are wrong, but I always find this interesting. I totally get personal preference, but judging a movie on what it is trying to accomplish? What if a movie is intending to be horrible? Does it succeed by being so?

Almost no director ever sets out to intentionally make an awful movie... unless their name is Uwe Boll. :cool:
 
Jupiter Ascending (Wachowski, 2015):



jupiter_ascending_frame_grab_600.jpg



Jupiter Ascending is exactly like The Matrix. Both Jupiter Ascending and the Wachowskis' paradigm-shifting chef-d'oeuvre finely stitch together comprehensively immersive universes from a polymathic range of interests and influences. Both films attempt to make sweeping commentaries about life, love, humanity and society. And both films wrap these ideas in comforting genre conventions, all whilst searing our eyeballs with audaciously dreamlike visuals.

Jupiter Ascending is, also, absolutely nothing like The Matrix. Where the films diverge is in their style and tone. Where The Matrix engineered a grimy, industrial aesthetic that reveled in rebellious cool, Jupiter Ascending celebrates its own silliness, pitching itself somewhere between the Wachowskis' cubist experiment Speed Racer (2008) and the Neo Seoul storyline in their pantheistic opus Cloud Atlas (2012).

The real question, then, is not: "Does Jupiter Ascending live up to The Matrix?" Rather, the question is: "Does Jupiter Ascending live up to its own ambitions?"

The short answer is: "Yes."

Set to a palette of unhinged imagination that evokes both Brazil (Gilliam, 1985) and Alejandro Jodorowsky's conceptual artwork for his conspicuously unproduced adaptation of Frank Herbert's 1965 novel, 'Dune', Jupiter Ascending has all the childish abandon of a Saturday morning cartoon show from the '80s, like ThunderCats or He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. It has just as many thrills and spills and excuses to giggle as something like the recent Guardians of the Galaxy (Gunn, 2014). Every action scene would end with a realisation that my fingernails were set deep into my palms; proof enough that the Wachowskis haven't lost their penchant for directing visceral action. And the Wachowskis haven't lost their penchant for crafting cool characters, either. The likes of Channing Tatum's wolf-spliced bounty hunter, Caine Wise, and Eddie Redmayne's flying dino-henchmen strut into the duo's Badass Hall of Fame with effortless swagger. Even the unfairly maligned Eddie Redmayne himself – dripping with disconcertingly Oedipal sensuality – has every chance of being remembered for an iconic performance, even if it's for all the wrong reasons.

Speaking of unfair malignment, the film's plot does not lack focus, despite myriad accusations to the contrary. The primary narrative and emotional drive of the film is that of Mila Kunis' regal recurrence wanting to re-unite with her family back on Earth, but being compelled instead to confront the cosmic duties that have been thrust upon her. This emotional anchor works because we actually care about Kunis' birth family, specifically her mother (Maria Doyle Kennedy), with whom she shares a genuine warmth and love in the film's opening reel. Their relationship pays off in the film's climax, and is arguably the real "love story" at the heart of the film.

It's not that Mila Kunis' refreshingly female-assertive romance with Channing Tatum doesn't work, because their chemistry crackles with endearing playfulness; but it ends up playing more like a subplot than the A-story, which may also be why some audiences were left emotionally distanced from the film. The other reason people may have felt distanced was the fast pace. When the credits roll, the audience feels like they just want more of everything – more of Caine's anti-gravity acrobatics, more of Jupiter's ostentatious wardrobe, more beautiful worlds for your eyes to feast on, more interplay with Tatum and Kunis, more backstory about Stinger's history, more Abrassax conspiracies... And yet, when you look back on the film, you realise that it was packed to bursting point with all of the above. As we swiftly follow Mila Kunis through a fascinating cross-section of the latest Wachowski-verse, the journey is perhaps a little too swift, a little too condensed. The positive is that there is plenty to mull over during repeated viewings – the jargon of Caine and Stinger, for example, evokes worlds and images in the way a novel might. The negative, however, is that audiences may have trouble settling into the groove of the story.

Jupiter Ascending would have pre-dated its contemporaries in space fiction, Guardians of the Galaxy and Interstellar (Nolan, 2014), had it not been pushed back several months from its original 2014 release date. There is a noteworthy comparison to be made by way of Jupiter Ascending taking the fun-but-vapid space cowboy genre conventions of the former, and combining it with the somber, socially aware commentary on human consumption and collonisation of the latter. The coincidence that these films occurred within approximately half a year of one another is a graphic confirmation of the Wachowskis' mission to combine high concept with high thinking. Perhaps even more importantly is the fact that Jupiter Ascending rejects both the realist mantra of Christopher Nolan and the reluctantly fantastical tone of James Gunn, choosing instead to use its outlandish budget to construct the most lavish cosmic phantasmagoria that we have ever seen. It is a graphic confirmation that the Wachowskis' sense of artistic exploration, in an industry that clings in terror to the status quo, is as awe-inspiring as any space adventure.

Jupiter Ascending may not the best entry in the Wachowskis' filmography, but it is among their most visionary. That's saying something.


★★★★★



I find you to be hilarious. Thank you for being you.
 
I am adding this to my see list (what the heck!:woot::o) but first I still have to see Selma and American sniper, so I guess this is 3rd.
 
Not that you are wrong, but I always find this interesting. I totally get personal preference, but judging a movie on what it is trying to accomplish? What if a movie is intending to be horrible? Does it succeed by being so?
:funny:
 
Some of you have spent weeks on here, full of enthusiasm and trepidation for this movie to fail.

It's bizarre and irrational.
 

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