"The Walking Dead" developed by Frank Darabont and AMC - Part 4

[Paroxysm]

Its funny that the group is soooo worried about safety yet they don't even notice that Carl was gone alllllll day.

That sorta bugged me.

 

[Matt]

Also sorry to see the Dale hate on this thread. But, seriously, he was the only one trying to keep humanity in the group. And now he's gone.

I think the problem is that a lot of people just want "teh zombiez and and teh killing." Now I'll be the first to admit that the show moved WAY too slow in the first half of the season, but characterization is not a bad thing and Dale was by no means a bad character. IMO, he was one of the better written ones on the show.

 

[Donut]

Spoiler

The rumor was [BLACKOUT]Laurie Holden (Andrea)[/BLACKOUT] was the other actor all over AMC for their mistreatment of Darabont and wanting out.

I guess they could save that for the Season 3 Premiere

 

[Sawyer]

I love the complete opposite trajectories that Shane and Daryl have gone on as characters.

 

[Kane52630]

Also sorry to see the Dale hate on this thread. But, seriously, he was the only one trying to keep humanity in the group. And now he's gone.

Apparently reading through this thread I've found there's people who hate almost every person in the group collectively. I don't understand it, maybe because I've read the comic or understand that the group represents different characters fighting for the same goal of survival. The only member of the group that I don't like only because he is written terribly is T-Dog.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Apparently reading through this thread I've found there's people who hate almost every person in the group collectively. I don't understand it, maybe because I've read the comic or understand that the group represents different characters fighting for the same goal of survival. The only member of the group that I don't like only because he is written terribly is T-Dog.

No, it's not just reading the comics. I never read the comics and I think the different characters are coming off great in the show. (Except, as you said T-Dog, who is hardly in it). I really like the characters, even ones like Shane, who I would be against. I tend to side with Rick and Dale. As much as I'm mad they killed off Dale, it's an interesting decision since he seemed to be the lone voice for humanity and compassion.

Granted, I think that kid might be bad news if he escapes. But, that's what makes the debate interesting.

 

[DrDoom]

I thought Carl was gonna shoot Randal when he snuck in

Cant believe [blackout]dale was killed off yet shane is still alive[/blackout]

 

[redhawk23]

I think the problem is that a lot of people just want "teh zombiez and and teh killing." Now I'll be the first to admit that the show moved WAY too slow in the first half of the season, but characterization is not a bad thing and Dale was by no means a bad character. IMO, he was one of the better written ones on the show.

It's not so much that people just want the ultraviolence. Its just that for a large part of the show so far, the character interaction hasn't been at all that good. Though there has been a change for the better lately, much of screentime has been characters taking turns going to eachother and reciting the same tired prepared speeches. Many of the characters are still pretty much unestablished. I saw a woman from Herschal's group tonight during the meeting scene that I completely forgot had existed. T-dog continues to get less and less to do, showing up for mere seconds at a time.

Compare all of this to say Battlestar Galactica, which also dealt with a lot of the same questions of the breakdown of societal rules during survival situations and struggles between characters. Personally though it did it in a far more satisfying manner. Even a lot of the tertiary characters were recognizable by name and had quite a few good character moments.

Though the Walking Dead has been getting better on those fronts, it still has room to improve.

 

[danoyse]

I think the problem is that a lot of people just want "teh zombiez and and teh killing." Now I'll be the first to admit that the show moved WAY too slow in the first half of the season, but characterization is not a bad thing and Dale was by no means a bad character. IMO, he was one of the better written ones on the show.

I thought Dale was a great character too...although I totally disagreed with him in this episode about Randall, especially after the things Randall said to Carl about offering to take them back to his people.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I like how Dale's zombie death wasn't by getting bitten. People forget that zombies can kill people in other ways.

Carl deserves to be kicked in the nuts repeatedly. I thought he was just gonna kill the walker and keep moving him toward his detached callous behavior. I can see him still becoming callous and detached, but now it's because of a personal fault and not simply because of the world around him.

And in the preview during Comic Book Men, did T-Dog say [BLACKOUT]the governor called and let him off the hook?[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Evelisse]

the consequences of the group's laid back attitude since arriving on the farm should be slamming them in the face right now. Between Carl's and Dale's walkabouts, neither would have been so bold to go so far from the farm or out of the groups line of site back when they first arrived on the farm.

 

[Kane52630]

And in the preview during Comic Book Men, did T-Dog say [BLACKOUT]the governor called and let him off the hook?[/BLACKOUT]

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Yeah, that was a nice touch.


Also I like how it looks like Randall is apart of the Woodbury community.

 

[danoyse]

Carl deserves to be kicked in the nuts repeatedly. I thought he was just gonna kill the walker and keep moving him toward his detached callous behavior. I can see him still becoming callous and detached, but now it's because of a personal fault and not simply because of the world around him.

No, he's acting that way completely because of the world around him. Hell, most of you act like the world ends when Batman's suit is slightly off from what you expected...how do you think a 12-year-old is supposed to act when his entire world is shattered by a zombie apocalypse?

Carl is as confused as any of the adults about what he's supposed to be now, and he made a mistake. He certainly didn't mean it.

And in the preview during Comic Book Men, did T-Dog say [BLACKOUT]the governor called and let him off the hook?[/BLACKOUT]

Because it's the governor who gives a stay of execution. It's not a reference to that governor. How is T-Dog supposed to know about a character who isn't part of the show yet?

 

[KenK]

I like how Dale's zombie death wasn't by getting bitten. People forget that zombies can kill people in other ways.

Carl deserves to be kicked in the nuts repeatedly. I thought he was just gonna kill the walker and keep moving him toward his detached callous behavior. I can see him still becoming callous and detached, but now it's because of a personal fault and not simply because of the world around him.

I'm hoping the season ends with [BLACKOUT]Carl killing Shane. Especially if that actor is, in fact, leaving the show after this season.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[danoyse]

the consequences of the group's laid back attitude since arriving on the farm should be slamming them in the face right now. Between Carl's and Dale's walkabouts, neither would have been so bold to go so far from the farm or out of the groups line of site back when they first arrived on the farm.

They're getting way too complacent there.

 

[Evelisse]

Because it's the governor who gives a stay of execution. It's not a reference to that governor. How is T-Dog supposed to know about a character who isn't part of the show yet?

I see it more of a nod to the fans than insinuating T-Dog knows about that governor

 

[Paroxysm]

I like how Dale's zombie death wasn't by getting bitten. People forget that zombies can kill people in other ways.

I always found that hard to believe, yeah I know Zombies themselves are hard to believe but a rotting corpse has the strength to dig it's fingers into a mans stomach? I don't and never will buy that.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

No, he's acting that way completely because of the world around him. Hell, most of you act like the world ends when Batman's suit is slightly off from what you expected...how do you think a 12-year-old is supposed to act when his entire world is shattered by a zombie apocalypse?

Carl is as confused as any of the adults about what he's supposed to be now, and he made a mistake. He certainly didn't mean it.

That's how I read it. I may be mad that he didn't just kill that zombie and he played around which led to Dale's death, but he is a kid in a bizzare situation.

Because it's the governor who gives a stay of execution. It's not a reference to that governor. How is T-Dog supposed to know about a character who isn't part of the show yet?

It's probably meant to be foreshadowing, especially for those who have read the comics, but yes, T-Dog meant it as a saying in which a governor gives a stay of execution.

 

[Lily Adler]

So I'm guessing the Winnebago is Andrea's now.

 

[danoyse]

That's how I read it. I may be mad that he didn't just kill that zombie and he played around which led to Dale's death, but he is a kid in a bizzare situation.

Exactly. Everyone in this group has made a mistake. Carl wasn't the first, and I'm sure he won't be the last. He learned a hard lesson tonight.

It's probably meant to be foreshadowing, especially for those who have read the comics, but yes, T-Dog meant it as a saying in which a governor gives a stay of execution.

Yup.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

No, he's acting that way completely because of the world around him. Hell, most of you act like the world ends when Batman's suit is slightly off from what you expected...how do you think a 12-year-old is supposed to act when his entire world is shattered by a zombie apocalypse?

Carl is as confused as any of the adults about what he's supposed to be now, and he made a mistake. He certainly didn't mean it.



Because it's the governor who gives a stay of execution. It's not a reference to that governor. How is T-Dog supposed to know about a character who isn't part of the show yet?

He WAS acting that way ONLY because of the world around him. I'm saying that now he's gonna be worse because of how he ****ed up. And yeah, that Batman line was completely relevant.

and how do you know that the governor isn't part of the show before this scene happens? I only know the books by what I read around the boards, but the show could easily make a connection between the Governor and Hershel. Even if T-Dog wasn't talking about that governor, it was obviously a nudge-wink to the fans.

 

[Poeman]

Nice episode, surprising end...Now can they get rid of Carl as well...Would be nice to see a zombie wear that hat and walk away

 

[Matt]

No, he's acting that way completely because of the world around him. Hell, most of you act like the world ends when Batman's suit is slightly off from what you expected...how do you think a 12-year-old is supposed to act when his entire world is shattered by a zombie apocalypse?

Carl is as confused as any of the adults about what he's supposed to be now, and he made a mistake. He certainly didn't mean it.

I still think that Carl is starting to show some sociopathic tendencies. The world around him is starting to shape him. Just like it did to Shane. Keep in mind, Shane was a good man before all of this started....

I wonder if the death of Dale means an expanded role for Hershel. I think a lot of people have been assuming that when they leave the farm, Hershel will be dead or written out. I wonder if Hershel is going to become a permanent fixture and fill Dale's role? I'd be fine with that. I really like how they've developed Hershel.

 

[chaseter]

Its funny that the group is soooo worried about safety yet they don't even notice that Carl was gone alllllll day.

That sorta bugged me.

Or how a zombie can eat half a cow and not be fat or his belly exploded.

Next ep looks good.

 

[Lily Adler]

I would like Hershel as the new wise, old one role.