The Walking Dead "The Walking Dead" General Stuff & Thaaaangs Thread - - - Part 12

[Hunter Rider]

Well get ready for it Hunter, because JDM already said on Howard Stern last week

Spoiler

that Negan doesn't die in Season 7 as he is going to be around for Season 8.

It depends though on if they structure the season the way you were thinking. My guess is that the war takes a lot longer to get going than it should and that we'll not finish it off until season 8. The other obvious thing is JDM could be lying in order to keep the surprise under wraps.

 

[WereCoyote]

I don't see any reason for him to lie about it. Most actors just say we never know. I think JDM is probably in trouble with production for talking about his contract, but Howard Stern has a knack for getting people to say things they know they shouldn't.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I don't see any reason for him to lie about it. Most actors just say we never know. I think JDM is probably in trouble with production for talking about his contract, but Howard Stern has a knack for getting people to say things they know they shouldn't.

He might have lied to conceal what happens, but as I say even if he's telling the truth it doesn't mean the war will end this season IMO. This show is so slow I could easily see it taking the next 8 episodes to even crank the war storyline up.

When you look at the ratings plummet it's obvious Negan has a very short shelf life, he's not a deep villain who you can expand and try different things with like a Lex Luthor. He's a blunt object, a glorified thug and bully, he burns bright as a monstrous threat but needs to be satisfyingly extinguished before he becomes tiresome......clearly for some that time has already passed.

 

[NotNickFury]

That would mean the show would drastically divert from what the comic does with Negan during "All Out War," which I doubt since what happened to the Governor, timeline-wise, more or less occurs around the same time in the comic.

 

[Hunter Rider]

This is a TV show in it's own right, they need to write for that and not worry about the comics, any direction that sees Rick and Maggie not kill Negan is stupid.

 

[marcvader]

Got to say, the scene with Carl at the back of the truck and not shooting Negan or at least attempting to was terrible writing and had me yelling at the tv and pissed off. He just killed two other guys and has a clean shot at Negan, doesn't fire and gets captured. That's piss poor writing. Obviously Negan can't die there but damn what the hell are the writers thinking?

 

[WereCoyote]

This is a TV show in it's own right, they need to write for that and not worry about the comics, any direction that sees Rick and Maggie not kill Negan is stupid.

in your opinion.

 

[Hunter Rider]

in your opinion.

It's not an opinion, how on earth can anyone logically accept Rick or Maggie letting Negan live just to have him sitting in a cell, living on 3 squares and chatting with Carl after what he did to them, it's ridiculous and happened in the books because the writers are in love with themselves and like writing Negan's long waffles, but this isn't the comics with cartoony panels, these are flesh and blood people, it's a different medium.

 

[WereCoyote]

Still your opinion. I can totally see Rick selling the group that they have to be better than Negan, and start showing mercy to re-build civilization.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Still your opinion. I can totally see Rick selling the group that they have to be better than Negan, and start showing mercy to re-build civilization.

That's again stupid writing, not an opinion, Rick is well beyond this kind of naieve nonsense that is contrived to keep a character alive past his sell by date. This is a man that bludgeoned Maggie's husband and father of her child to death in front of her and laughed about it, then he degraded and pummeled Rick in front of everyone and was seconds away from having him cut his own son's arm off. You don't then say "Aw gee shucks, never mind we'll be better and feed you and keep you close enough to have chats with my Son and do us further harm if you escape, cool Maggie?" It's pure stupdidity that makes a mockery of Rick and Maggie as characters.

 

[BestGirl]

Holding anyone prisoner in a post-apocalyptic world is idiotic unless you somehow manage to put the prisoner to work, or are holding him as hostage to get something from his friends. I don't know why the comics have Rick hang on to Negan rather than kill him but if there isn't a convincing reason the show will certainly have to contrive one.

 

[WereCoyote]

That's again stupid writing, not an opinion, Rick is well beyond this kind of naieve nonsense that is contrived to keep a character alive past his sell by date. This is a man that bludgeoned Maggie's husband and father of her child to death in front of her and laughed about it, then he degraded and pummeled Rick in front of everyone and was seconds away from having him cut his own son's arm off. You don't then say "Aw gee shucks, never mind we'll be better and feed you and keep you close enough to have chats with my Son and do us further harm if you escape, cool Maggie?" It's pure stupdidity that makes a mockery of Rick and Maggie as characters.

Then why isn't it stupid that many states don't give murderers the death penalty and yet clog up jails? Same thing.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Then why isn't it stupid that many states don't give murderers the death penalty and yet clog up jails? Same thing.

It is stupid in real life as well when it comes to people like Negan, but it's totally different in the world of TWD, there is zero reason to keep a monstrous pyshcopath who murdered Glenn, alive, none at all. It makes Rick and Maggie look like complete morons and unbelievable as people. Negan is kept alive in the comics because he's the pet project of the creators, not for any logical character or story benefit.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Holding anyone prisoner in a post-apocalyptic world is idiotic unless you somehow manage to put the prisoner to work, or are holding him as hostage to get something from his friends. I don't know why the comics have Rick hang on to Negan rather than kill him but if there isn't a convincing reason the show will certainly have to contrive one.

The reason seems to be some kind of stupid moralisitc idea, I don't know if Rick is different in the books but Rick in the show has killed way too many people in the name of protecting his own to suddenly justify keeping alive the worst person they have ever come across who murdered their friends in front of them, but even take Rick aside, no way does Maggie let it slide in any version of any reality.

 

[righthooksrus86]

I agree that veering away from the comics in some aspects would be a good idea. These last few seasons they've gotten more and more comic accurate which I would usually say is a good thing but not in this case. The characters, situations and even the script has gotten so much more cartoony. I miss the first couple of seasons where it didnt feel as much like a comic book playing out on screen and was more like a zombie horror flick.

 

[Xrated48]

Yeah I can't see them locking Negan up in a cell after they defeat him in All Out War. Rick in the tv show feels completely different than Rick in the comics. So I expect Rick or Maggie to kill him by the end of season 8.

 

[BestGirl]

Then why isn't it stupid that many states don't give murderers the death penalty and yet clog up jails? Same thing.

Modern states have the money and surplus food to provide for imprisoned criminals, and therapists and parole officers designed to assist with and monitor criminals reintegrating into society. The post-apocalyptic world is one struggling merely to feed its members. They're not going to waste precious resources on someone who can never join the community.

 

[Reek]

Rick holds on to Negan because he knows he's going to need him... and he does.

Is that poor writing? maybe to some people, which is opinion... you can't say it's bad writing as a fact because that is a complete opinion.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Rick holds on to Negan because he knows he's going to need him... and he does.

Is that poor writing? maybe to some people, which is opinion... you can't say it's bad writing as a fact because that is a complete opinion.

I can say it's bad writing as a fact because it pisses on 2 of the main characters of the show to pander to a one note villain becuase writers like writing his goofy waffle, that's the very defiinition of bad writing.

 

[Reek]

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Drizzle]

Negan in a cell is most likely happening. Otherwise why would they show Morgan building the cell last season?

 

[Reek]

yep, that was definitely foreshadowing.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Yeah....if you ignore the fact Morgan actually put the cell to use last season.

 

[Reek]

you don't have to ignore the fact that morgan used it. anyone who reads the comics immediately though of Negan in a cell when it was being made.