The Walking Dead The Walking Dead Season 4 Episode 10 "Inmates" Discussion Thread

I stopped reading the comic for about a year when this went down. I was so traumatized. I stopped again once I was pregnant, I was an emotional roller coaster there was no way i could handle it. So I'm quite behind in my reading.

I was almost in tears when carol showed up, pure elation. I'm a horror fan and most of my books and GN's are of the horror genre. If I can't take it I doubt the general public would be down with the it.

Game of Thrones has shown that if anything, the general public will eat it up. And honestly, that moment in the comics is one of the biggest moments in the series, and one of the reasons so many people hold it in such high respect. What made me love the comics is that I was actually afraid when my favorite characters were in dangerous situations, because I didn't know if they would make it out of them.

I don't have that feeling in the show.
 
What's wrong with you??

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I have a burning desire to see all children destroyed:oldrazz:

Seriously though, similar to what I said above, it all comes down to stakes in the storytelling. A zombie survival show should be constantly tense, and that's created by setting up believable (as believable as you can be) stakes. In a world like this, people would die. And that includes the people you would like.

That's what made me love the comics. And while I loved Herschel too, let's be honest, he falls in that category of characters that you're never surprised to see go. The old mentor/voice of reason character is commonly killed off in both horror films or action adventure films in general. Dale fell into this category as well. Besides those two characters, the only other people killed were either people we knew would eventually bite it (Shane), people everyone was already annoyed with and weren't really sad to see go (Lori, Andrea), or red-shirt characters, who really never said or did much, to the point where you could tell they would die when they got more than one line (T-dog).

There's no tension in that. And don't get me wrong, I enjoy stories where you know the hero's going to come out on top. I love superheroes for pete's sake, but this isn't that kind of story. What made the comics great is that they DID kill the characters you never thought would go, like [BLACKOUT]Tyreese, Glenn ect[/BLACKOUT] The show would be much better if it adopted that kind of no holds barred story-telling.
 
Question about the trio at the end, are they, good, bad or grey characters ?
 
Yep, Abe kicks ass. That's all you need to know.
 
carol is back....Abraham and the crew is there...LIZZIE YOU FN CRAZY KID
 
Carol killed Tyreese's girlfriend.


However, it's VERY likely that Lizzie is responsible for the mutilated animals.

And yeah, while there are signs Lizzie could've killed Tyreese's gf, there is no way she could've dragged 2 full grown adults outside, and then light them on fire.

At the most, Lizzie spotted Carol doing it (and it ****ed with her head) and/or Carol and Lizzie did it together

It's quite possible that Lizzie did the stabbing, and Carol finished things as it were, but not colluding as you suggested. Just Carol covering for Lizzie, since Carol probably feels responsible for creating her.
 
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I don't even watch Game of Thrones, and I know this is wrong. :funny:
Look at the long term. She's only getting started. She's personally smothering babies and murdering people. Joffery just likes to abuse helpless people who can't defend themselves. And he only killed one person I can recall. Not reading the books, I don't know what his depravity is at there but in the television adaptations, Lizzie would be worse than Joffery. Joffery without his position and mother wouldn't last. Lizzie would.

Lizzie is darker and colder than Joffery already. She just hasn't gotten the chance to display it.
 
I don't know much of Abraham and company but I do like that for once it isn't a shady group of people looking to exploit Rick's group.
 
I don't know much of Abraham and company but I do like that for once it isn't a shady group of people looking to exploit Rick's group.

Eugene (the one with the walkie) says he knows where a safe zone is. Abraham and Rosita are escorting him there. At least that's how they join up in the comics.
 
Just watched the latest episode. It wasn't terrible but the one part that seemed really stupid was when Beth thought she heard a walker and turned around to see it. Then the shot changes and you see Beth with a walker 3 feet away coming up behind her. Then the Daryl rescue. Rinse repeat rinse repeat. Really kind of lame.
Overall decent episode. Lizzy is a ****ing dangerous sociopath. What she did to little Judith was troubling.
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What made the comics great is that they DID kill the characters you never thought would go, like [BLACKOUT]Tyreese, Glenn ect[/BLACKOUT] The show would be much better if it adopted that kind of no holds barred story-telling.

Had the opposite reaction for this week's episode. The only characters I thought were completely safe were Maggie, Glenn, and Daryl. I figured the other big named ones probably wouldn't die, simply because television shows typically concentrate big deaths around a finale, but that hasn't always been the rule (Lori in S3).

Also, you mention [BLACKOUT]Tyreese and Glenn[/BLACKOUT]. If you remember, The first character there was replaced with Hershel and hasn't had an insane amount of development. Killing him now wouldn't get a big reaction. As for the second person you mentioned, that event hasn't happened yet, but I have a suspicion the whole [BLACKOUT]Negan using Lucille scene[/BLACKOUT] would be a good time to kill Daryl down the line (because what better way to get an audience to feel fear and hatred toward an antagonist than to kill one of the most capable and liked characters?). I'm also pretty convinced that [BLACKOUT]Judith[/BLACKOUT] will die, but they're just focusing on her more so it won't seem like an afterthought.

Additionally, the show has pulled unexpected curve balls before, especially for those of us that read the comics. Remember Sophia in S2? While admittedly a slower part of the show in retrospect, a lot of us still didn't see her death coming.
 
Had the opposite reaction for this week's episode. The only characters I thought were completely safe were Maggie, Glenn, and Daryl. I figured the other big named ones probably wouldn't die, simply because television shows typically concentrate big deaths around a finale, but that hasn't always been the rule (Lori in S3).

Also, you mention [BLACKOUT]Tyreese and Glenn[/BLACKOUT]. If you remember, The first character there was replaced with Hershel and hasn't had an insane amount of development. Killing him now wouldn't get a big reaction. As for the second person you mentioned, that event hasn't happened yet, but I have a suspicion the whole [BLACKOUT]Negan using Lucille scene[/BLACKOUT] would be a good time to kill Daryl down the line (because what better way to get an audience to feel fear and hatred toward an antagonist than to kill one of the most capable and liked characters?). I'm also pretty convinced that [BLACKOUT]Judith[/BLACKOUT] will die, but they're just focusing on her more so it won't seem like an afterthought.

Additionally, the show has pulled unexpected curve balls before, especially for those of us that read the comics. Remember Sophia in S2? While admittedly a slower part of the show in retrospect, a lot of us still didn't see her death coming.

Oh, I'm not saying the show should have killed those same characters I mentioned. I was using them to show that the comics were willing to kill characters that you didn't expect to see go at all. Had the show wanted to raise the same kind of shock factor the Prison Attack had in the comics, they would have had Dayrl be the one to get his head chopped (his character was equivalent to the character in the comics who had it happen) still kill Hershcel, and have someone like Maggie get the axe too.

But the show hasn't ever done that, it's never killed a character that I was surprised to see go. Sure I guess Lori was unexpected, but at that point they had handled her character so poorly that I was expecting them to kill her soon. Same with Andrea. I was actually happy that Andrea was dead. Especially since her character in the comics was so great! And they completely mishandled her on the show.

The show hasn't really killed any characters that the audience really cares about and doesn't expect would die. Sure, people like Dale and Herschel, but as I said, they both fall into that class of character that people are never too surprised to see get killed. The old man mentor/voice of reason type. The comics created a feeling where you truly don't know if anyone is safe. However, on this show, the only people I expect to die are either the old characters, the annoying ones, or the redshirts.
 
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Oh, I'm not saying the show should have killed those same characters I mentioned. I was using them to show that the comics were willing to kill characters that you didn't expect to see go at all. Had the show wanted to raise the same kind of shock factor the Prison Attack had in the comics, they would have had Dayrl be the one to get his head chopped (his character was equivalent to the character in the comics who had it happen) still kill Hershcel, and have someone like Maggie get the axe too.

But the show hasn't ever done that, it's never killed a character that I was surprised to see go. Sure I guess Lori was unexpected, but at that point they had handled her character so poorly that I was expecting them to kill her soon. Same with Andrea. I was actually happy that Andrea was dead. Especially since her character in the comics was so great! And they completely mishandled her on the show.

The show hasn't really killed any characters that the audience really cares about and doesn't expect would die. Sure, people like Dale and Herschel, but as I said, they both fall into that class of character that people are never too surprised to see get killed. The old man mentor/voice of reason type. The comics created a feeling where you truly don't know if anyone is safe. However, on this show, the only people I expect to die are either the old characters, the annoying ones, or the redshirts.

Did you notice the poll results during Talking Dead this week? The question was "Who were you the happiest to see alive?", and out of the four possible choices (Carol, Judith, Glenn, Tara), the one the fans voted overwhelmingly for was Judith.

It wasn't even close: http://polls.amctv.com/chart/data/4148.html

And those are the fans voting. Plenty of them are familiar with the comics, but they're still OK with Judith surviving (so far). On another forum I read, they were more horrified with Lizzie smothering her than they were by the bloody baby carrier cliffhanger.

Judith's death in the comics was more shocking, sure...but right now, I think it's better storytelling. Same with Lori's death. I was expecting the Governor to take them both out, and I was floored when she went out the way she did, and as quickly as she did. Lori was a hard character to put up with, but honestly, she didn't deserve that. Carl having to do what he did was horrible too.

I've known Herschel was on borrowed time ever since he lost his leg...he virtually had his swan song two episodes before his death. But it didn't matter that it didn't shock me, because it was the actual weight of losing that character that made it terrible. Killing Daryl would have been a shocker, but so what? It would have been a bigger deal because his fangirls would have had a meltdown than any long-lasting weight it had on the show.

Just because it's *shocking* doesn't mean it's better. You're complaining the show has no teeth, but...they killed Sophia, who didn't die in the comics, and in front of her mother, no less (Carol is also a much better character on the show). They opened the series with Rick shooting a little zombie girl in the face. Penny's zombie death was brutal - and that didn't happen in the comics either. They let Judith survive, but poor little Megan was bitten and killed in that same finale - and then we saw the Governor blow her head off in front of her mother. To be honest, that kid had more story than Judith ever did in the comics.

Carl getting shot was worse than it was in the comics. It wasn't life-threatening, and Otis never had to leave the farm over it. The barn reveal was more shocking (Herschel just casually mentioned that they "kept their dead ones in there"), and Shane's meltdown was better than how it originally ended.

If Lizzie is indeed Ben from the comics, it's actually worse already. Ben never smothered a baby.

And you mentioned Game of Thrones - that show actually has toned down plenty from the books. Dany was only 13 when she married Drogo and was essentially being raped by him for the first weeks of their marriage. They conceived their son in front of the entire camp. Tyrion lost his nose during the Battle of Blackwater and was left totally disfigured, but he just has a scar on the show. Sansa was left half-naked in front of the court when Joffrey had his fit over the cousin being killed - and she was only 12. Tyrion decided not to consummate their marriage on their wedding night...but only after they were both naked in their bedroom, which didn't happen on the show. Joffrey is now 17, because as lenient at HBO has been with the show, they weren't going to have a 13-year-old boy torturing naked prostitutes.

Like Walking Dead, Game of Thrones' TV adaptation has had to make certain concessions for TV audiences, particularly their child characters, while still staying brutal and violent.

It may be different than the comics, but it's been different since the beginning. And it definitely has teeth.
 
Danoyse,


But honestly, I think it's just a case of where we disagree. Lately, there hasn't been any tension for me watching this show. In season one, and in season two, the tension was still there. The show was new, and I had that feeling of dread for everyone involved. And I will agree that the Sophia reveal was nice, I didn't see that coming. But since then, this show just hasn't done anything to surprise me.

And I also agree that shocking isn't necessarily better, however, what I want in a show like this is tension. GOT has that tension, because you honestly don't know if ANYONE is safe. (And yes, I'm aware of the changes the show made, I've read all the books) but while the show has toned things down, it's still kept that feeling. I don't know who's going to make it every time I watch an episode/read a chapter in GOT. And that keeps that tension and excitement there for me. And stories like GOT and TWD need and should have that kind of tension.

It's not about how shocking/brutal the death is, it's just the fact of knowing that any character could die in whatever threatening situation they are in. That's what this show is lacking for me, because honestly, none of the deaths since Sophia have surprised me. I think that's a major storytelling flaw for this show. It's something TWD comics have that the tv series doesn't. I'm never worried when Dayrl, Glenn, Maggie, ect. are in dangerous situations, because I don't think the show has the guts to kill any of them.

Not so in the comics, where we see the character who was the Dayrl-equivalent of the group get his head brutally hacked off by the Governor. The danger just isn't real for me now, and it's been disappointing, because I don't think the show is living up to the quality storytelling the comics have. To be honest, it hasn't for some time now.

On the other side of the coin, I don't think this show is bad. It's still solid, but it's frustrating for me because I see how good it could be, and the fact that it's not reaching that quality level is disappointing to me.
 
Unfortunately I haven't kept up with GoT the show, nor have I read any the books. Are they following the books pretty closely as far as the story and character deaths?
 
Same here, I always had a feeling they would be Billy and Ben everytime they show up.

I wonder if that means...

...:wow:
I think that might happen. I found this on Tumblr. Somebody has the Feb. 17-Mar 2, 2014 issue of TV Guide and took a pic of quote from Gimple:

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Unfortunately I haven't kept up with GoT the show, nor have I read any the books. Are they following the books pretty closely as far as the story and character deaths?

Yes, very. In fact, they've actually killed some characters in the show that are still alive in the books.

GOT is a different beast than TWD however, because GOT is honestly one of the most faithful adaptations of a book I've ever seen. And even then, they still have to change some things because of time constraints and such.

I don't mind that TWD (tv series) has become it's own thing. What frustrates me is that lately the show hasn't kept with the spirit of the series. When I read the comics I'm scared for every character when they're in dangerous situations, because I know they might not make it out. I don't have that on the show because they either kill characters that you're not surprised to see go (Herschel, Dale), characters that have been so annoying you don't care (Lori, Andrea), or the "red-shirts. (T-Dog, and I would put Sophia in this category as well. While her death was shocking, she wasn't exactly a major player).

I'm hoping that the show starts taking steps in the right direction again, because right now there's just no tension for me while I watch it.
 

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