The Wrestling Thread.....Has No Confidence - Part 34

[Superark]

TNA has relied on the fact that their wrestlers are loyal to a fault and believed that the company was a few big signings away from really being huge. That time is now gone. TNA originals know that things will never get better. The company really is facing one of those moments where half their roster walks in and demands their release. Personally, I hope it happens.

You are exactly right. TNA has also relied on the fact that the 1.0 that still watches is loyal to a tee and at some point those hardcore followers are going to realize that things will never change and no new talent will be given a chance, or that TNA will betray their trust as they did with Roode last night. Situations like last night's main event is what leaves a sour taste in viewers mouths and causes them to leave for good. I mean just look at what happened with WCW after Sting and Hogan at Starrcade.

I too wish a good chunk of the roster would walk in and demand their release just as a way to wake up Dixie about the turmoil Hogan has cause amongst her roster. Someone loyal like Styles, Daniels, Joe, and Beer Money would have to send a clear message, or at least you would think so.

 

[Metallo]

TNA (mainly Dixie Carter) needs to be very careful on how they handle this Roode/Hogan/Styles business.

With the frustration among the locker room and Hogan's presence, I can very well see Styles/Joe/Beer Money/Daniels pulling a "Radicalz" move and asking for their release to jump to WWE.

Since Hogan's arrival, Joe and Styles have continued to be buried and treated as an afterthought. Roode was built up only to be kicked down to the ground in what should have been his big moment, all while Hogan public ally buries the roster and lobbies for guys like Jeff Hardy, Angle, and Sting.

It's WCW all over again as far as the way TNA runs their business, and with the same political figures no less.

TNA is on a very slippery slope and given that WWE has expressed interest in Beer Money in particular, TNA could lose the work horses of their roster who heart and soul of their company.

It's times like these that I wish Kurt Angle and Sting were more political and would stand up for the TNA guys when they are getting buried. They are the only veterans who are said to actually try to help the talent.

I was thinking the same thing. It'd be nice if Styles, Joe, Beer Money and maybe one more guy pulled a "Radicalz" and jumped ship. Those guys are the workhorses of the company. Of course the Radicalz were coming from a company with a higher profile so chances are WWE wouldn't give the TNA guys that kind of attention on their debut but they may as well try out for WWE. These guys will all be in their forties by the time Hogan is done looting and plundering TNA and their window of opportunity will have passed.

I respect their loyalty and theiir efforts to try and see that Vine doesnt hav ea monopoly but its just not worth it when Dixie Carter is so easily gullable and TNA doesn't appreciate the talents of guys that ha ve been their from the beggining. Hogan talks about them not being future stars well he hasn't done anything for the company ratings or promotions wise either. Sting should have beat him and he should have left TNA.

My problem with Roode loosing is that this wood have been fine at a B ppv leading up to and building to BFG. But BFG is the biggest show of the year. You don't do something like this at the show where stats should be made. Having Roode win the title at another PPV or Impact would belittle his talent and potential.

between WWE and TNA they seem hellbent on sabotaging themselves when it comes to building new stars. The jobbing of Morrison, letting Punk's momentum cool, Del Rio's sh***y world title wins and TNA's incompetent use of Roode and the younger guys in TNA is really mind boggling. A bunch of senile selfish old minds at the top pulling the strings who don't want the next generation to shine.

I'm convinced that Vince told Hogan to go to TNA and run it into the ground... To take however long it took just as long as he totally wiped it off the wrestling map. Once he does he will be welcomed back to the WWE with open arms.

With all the goings on...that's becoming more and more evident, IMHO.

I just don't believe that. I doubt Vince cares THAT much about what TNA does. I'm sure he has people keep on eye on it but even he knows theres no need for that. Hogan went to TNA because WWE didn't need him and they knew it and he had no choice. The question is why does Dixie keep him around at this stage? The same reason why she kept Russo around for so long. She's like a mouse charmed by a snake.

 

[Dugath]

I just don't believe that. I doubt Vince cares THAT much about what TNA does. I'm sure he has people keep on eye on it but even he knows theres no need for that. Hogan went to TNA because WWE didn't need him and they knew it and he had no choice. The question is why does Dixie keep him around at this stage? The same reason why she kept Russo around for so long. She's like a mouse charmed by a snake.

Yup, he lets her play with his 24 inch Python (s???)

 

[TheVileOne]

I think the guys would go to ROH before they went to WWE.

Though I think Roode should definitely give WWE a try after Hogan ****ed him over.

 

[enterthemadness]

I'm done with TNA....maybe. Getting close. I only check out their site for the Knockouts gallery. Yeah, I said it.

 

[Lobo]

Personally I'd love to see Cody Rhodes vs James Storm feud.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The WWE has done a good job with the Rock compared to what TNA has done with Hulk Hogan. It helps that the Rock is a bigger star now than Hogan is and therefore he makes sporadic appearances, so he's not going to be in the WWE every week, taking up the spotlight from someone more deserving. There is also no doubt in my mind that the Rock would put John Cena over at Wrestlemania 28. Same cannot be said though if Hogan were to face AJ Styles or Samoa Joe. Hogan would demand that they put him over, which does not help Styles or Joe one bit. The Rock on the other hand would put someone over. The only reason Hogan put the Rock over several years ago was because at the time, the Rock's status outside of the WWE was growing while Hogan's was fading.

However, we all know that Hogan is an egomanic. Hell, he refused to put over Shawn Michaels, another veteran who if necessary would put over young talent in an instant. The loss to Hogan didn't ruin Shawn's credibility, but it showed how big of an egomanic that Hogan is that he refused to put over a guy like Shawn who was loyal to the WWE from the start. The Rock would not do that to Cena, as he would put over Cena, no doubt about that.

So I say The Rock > Hogan in this regard.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Heath Slater got suspended by the WWE.

Mil Mascaras in the WWE Hall of Fame that will likely be headlined by the Rock? That is awesome. The WWE Hall of Fame Class of 2012 is off to a great start.

 

[Metallo]

The WWE has done a good job with the Rock compared to what TNA has done with Hulk Hogan. It helps that the Rock is a bigger star now than Hogan is and therefore he makes sporadic appearances, so he's not going to be in the WWE every week, taking up the spotlight from someone more deserving. There is also no doubt in my mind that the Rock would put John Cena over at Wrestlemania 28. Same cannot be said though if Hogan were to face AJ Styles or Samoa Joe. Hogan would demand that they put him over, which does not help Styles or Joe one bit. The Rock on the other hand would put someone over. The only reason Hogan put the Rock over several years ago was because at the time, the Rock's status outside of the WWE was growing while Hogan's was fading.

However, we all know that Hogan is an egomanic. Hell, he refused to put over Shawn Michaels, another veteran who if necessary would put over young talent in an instant. The loss to Hogan didn't ruin Shawn's credibility, but it showed how big of an egomanic that Hogan is that he refused to put over a guy like Shawn who was loyal to the WWE from the start. The Rock would not do that to Cena, as he would put over Cena, no doubt about that.

So I say The Rock > Hogan in this regard.

Hogan was under a standard talent contract. THATS the primary reason why he had no choice but to put over The Rock. he had no creative control clout and WWE was the only game in town in 2002.

WWE is doing a good job using the Rock at times but his use at Wrestlemania was iffy. He and Cena's issues overshadowed the WWE title match. he cost Cena the match and Cena wasn't too bothered by that. then Rocky rock bottomed the hell out of the WWE champion and he just had to take it like a dog with his tail between his legs. Not sure how that helped anybody. Did Miz look good in "winning?" Who got elevated there? Who looked good at the end of WM27 besides the Rock? Damn sure not the two guys that are there every week.

Plus he's at best a part timer yet he gets top tv time and the big match at WM over a year away when he's not even around most of the time to promote it. Why do you think Punk has issues with him? I look forward to seeing the Rock return but Punks right. A guy like him busting his a** only for the Rock to show up once in a blue moon to take the spotlight? Why do you think WWE can't make new stars either?

Time to start building up the younger talent instead of relying on stars from 10-20 years ago. Thats just as true for WWE as it is TNA. Theres been a MASSIVE exodus of top talent in WWE in the last 6 years. They don't have guys like Shawn Michaels to depend on anymore.

 

[Dr. Evil]

It's a no brainer that the WWE is saving the announcement of the Rock as headliner for the WWE Hall of Fame until the Monday before Wrestlemania 28. That guarantees that the event will be sold out. Plus it seems very likely now that Mick Foley will induct him. It makes for an outstanding WWE Hall of Fame class with him and Mascaras.

I'll be shocked if he doesn't headline the class of 2012.

 

[Lobo]

He'll headline to HoF especially with Mania being in Miami. I want Booker T to get in, too. Alos I have no doubt the class of 13 HoF will be headlined by Edge

 

[Metallo]

It's a no brainer that the WWE is saving the announcement of the Rock as headliner for the WWE Hall of Fame until the Monday before Wrestlemania 28. That guarantees that the event will be sold out. Plus it seems very likely now that Mick Foley will induct him. It makes for an outstanding WWE Hall of Fame class with him and Mascaras.

I'll be shocked if he doesn't headline the class of 2012.

The biggest reason Mascaras is going in is because he's related to Del Rio and they'll use that connection to promote both.

The WWE HOF stopped begin the "WWE" HOF a long time ago. Funny that they'll put guys in who did very little for them and yet it takes Randy Savage dropping dead to even be considered. The HOF fast becoming a joke to me. Will Mascaras be enshrined next to The Fridge or Drew Carey?

 

[Dr. Evil]

He'll headline to HoF especially with Mania being in Miami. I want Booker T to get in, too. Alos I have no doubt the class of 13 HoF will be headlined by Edge

Class of 2013 will be headlined by Edge, but don't be surprised if that class has some "Stratusfaction" in it.

 

[Metallo]

Class of 2013 will be headlined by Edge, but don't be surprised if that class has some "Stratusfaction" in it.

We certainly won't forget with you reminding us.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The biggest reason Mascaras is going in is because he's related to Del Rio and they'll use that connection to promote both.

The WWE HOF stopped begin the "WWE" HOF a long time ago. Funny that they'll put guys in who did very little for them and yet it takes Randy Savage dropping dead to even be considered. The HOF fast becoming a joke to me. Will Mascaras be enshrined next to The Fridge or Drew Carey?

But the WWE will put out awesome video packages for the inductees, especially the Rock. I often praise the WWE for those video packages. Whoever does those packages should get a raise. Those are well done. I thought they did a fantastic job with Edge's retirement video. It's the one thing they do that in my opinion is consistently excellent.

Too bad many people don't see that the WWE does a fantastic job with those video packages.

 

[Lobo]

Okay so if you guys were running the WWE who would you build the shows around?

 

[Project862006]

not 1 guy lol

they are doing fine building it around cena,punk,randy,hhh,etc.

 

[Dr. Evil]

CM Punk and Sheamus

 

[Dr. Evil]

There are rumors that Gina Carano might be done in MMA for good. I wonder if there is any truth to the rumors of WWE interest in her.

 

[Lobo]

not 1 guy lol

they are doing fine building it around cena,punk,randy,hhh,etc.

Of course not

For me (Not including already established young guys like Cena, Punk and Orton) it would be Kofi, and Sheamus as the faces and Rhodes, Swagger, and Miz as the top heels with Ziggler as more of a tweener

 

[venom892]

I would definitely build Rhodes and Ziggler as top heels.My Top faces would be Punk and Cena.Orton would be a wildcard tweener.

 

[Nightmare]

Top faces would be Sid Vicous and Triple H, top heels CM Punk and John Cena.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

i will admit to being a hogan mark, i grew up watching the guy and would still smile if he stepped back into a wwe ring

but the ending of bfg is just so astounding in its sheer stupidity it hurts my brain to read the results

 

[Metamorpho1977]

Big Van Vader's Son Added To FCW Official Roster Page
by Matt Boone October 17, 2011
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Jesse White, son of the retired WWE and WCW legend Leon "Big Van Vader" White, has officially been added to the Florida Championship Wrestling (FCW) roster page.

They'll call him Jesse Skywalker.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/243694-big-van-vaders-son-added-to-fcw-official-roster-page

 

[Metallo]

i will admit to being a hogan mark, i grew up watching the guy and would still smile if he stepped back into a wwe ring

but the ending of bfg is just so astounding in its sheer stupidity it hurts my brain to read the results

I was a fan of Hogan. Thats what makes it so annoying that he's hell bent on stomping out the careers of others and is only in interested in himself. It doesn't have to be like that but he's willing to strangle the business to help himself. If he had his way there would be no business for him to make money off of eventually.