The X-men POWERS Discussion Thread

[Angamb]

The X-men Powers
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As the tittle of the post clearly says, I create this thread to talk about all the related things with the powers of the x members.

The use of them, the powers display, what was realistic in the movies, and what not?, should they have explained a bit more their powers?, would have you liked to see a little dialogue between some x-men about them?... any doubt?, thoughts... This is the thread for it.

So let's discuss!

 

[TKing]

Angamb... a thread-making machine!

 

[Cyrusbales]

Juggernaut was disgusting, classic juggs or no juggs! Way to go mess with his power

 

[Angamb]

Angamb... a thread-making machine!

Haha, it's not the case, but I understand why you say it.
I'd like to see more life in the x-men boards, that's why I often think about interesting threads that could give more movement here. I think, little by little, they are getting it, no?

 

[TKing]

Undoubtedly Phoenix could have been given so much more to do. Nightcrawler was perfectly handled, his power display at the White House was one of the best in the series, I think.

The final battle at Alcatraz was poorly executed, I feel - Storm and Colossus should have done a lot more (what was the purpose of cutting out the Iceman/Colossus v Phat sequence?)

 

[TKing]

Haha, it's not the case, but I understand why you say it.
I'd like to see more life in the x-men boards, that's why I often think about interesting threads that could give more movement here. I think, little by little, they are getting it, no?

I think the reason is because the X-Men movies have virtually been and gone. That era has passed. All we have to look forward to now are the spinoffs - and they have their own forums.

 

[Angamb]

I wanted to see in the trilogy a bit explanation of their powers, not only explanation, but a little conversation, at least, about how they feel about their powers, and how they work. Of course, in X1 we had that scene of Logan and Rogue at the beggining, where we could see how they feel about their powers, and it was a great scene, but still there are certain aspect that never explained, like about the time during Rogue absortions and how it affect the others, depending of it, if is during many seconds or less. The same with Logan and his curing factor. Or with Kitty in X3, for saying other case. I would have love to see a bit explanation about her power, not just seeing she can phase walls, you know? that is really poor, they should explain more things, that's what makes a movie good. I don't like the x-men films to be just a show of many mutants using their powers, and that's all.

 

[Storm22]

I think Rogue was wasted really. Sure it was cool seeing her energy draining power in X1 and X2 but in X3 she should have either gotten her strength/flight abilities or both.

 

[TKing]

^^ I'm not too keen on her developing an entirely new power in one movie, but I would have preferred it if we saw her participate more within the team - the Danger Room scene could have been extended, taken part in the final battle etc.

 

[iamlegend]

I felt like the power displays were handled okay...

I'd of liked to see more of Colossus beating people up in his armor form, but that didn't happen.

And the Dark Phoenix basically just burned people to death... There should have been something a bit more original there.

But as a whole, everyone else's powers were handled pretty realistically.

 

[Storm22]

^^ I'm not too keen on her developing an entirely new power in one movie, but I would have preferred it if we saw her participate more within the team - the Danger Room scene could have been extended, taken part in the final battle etc.

Well I think her powers should have developped more over the course of the trilogy, maybe she should have gotten her strength/flight powers in X2.

I agree she should have been involved in Alcatraz though, she could have absorbed a number of different powers and had a similar role as Human Torch had in the final fight in FF2.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Well I think her powers should have developped more over the course of the trilogy, maybe she should have gotten her strength/flight powers in X2.

I agree she should have been involved in Alcatraz though, she could have absorbed a number of different powers and had a similar role as Human Torch had in the final fight in FF2.

That's a terrible idea, I know x3 went down the silly more campy and colourful route than it's predeccors, but even that is pushing it, remember how bad FF2 was? That alone should be reason to avoid this! As well as common sense.

 

[TKing]

I haven't seen FF2. What happened with Human Torch at the end?

 

[iamlegend]

That's a terrible idea, I know x3 went down the silly more campy and colourful route than it's predeccors, but even that is pushing it, remember how bad FF2 was? That alone should be reason to avoid this! As well as common sense.

Saying FF2 was bad is an opinion... Quite a few people feel it was even better than X3.

But I agree that having Rogue do that would have been lame. Whenever she absorbs someone she's affected mentally, and the subject of the absorption is down for the count. So that wouldn't have worked.

 

[iamlegend]

I haven't seen FF2. What happened with Human Torch at the end?

Spoiler

The Human Torch's molecules are unstable after a run-in with the SS, and whenever he touches people he switches powers with them. In the closing part of the movie, Doom has stolen the SS powers, and Sue has been mortally injured. The F4 can't attack Doom as a team, and none of them can handle him solo. So Johnny "absorbs" the powers of his three teammates, and goes one-on-one with Doom, effectively owning him.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Rogue was not set up as an action character, she was an emotional story, showing the negative side among other things. They tried to change her in x3, with the danger room sequence etc, and that was terrible.

 

[TKing]

Spoiler

The Human Torch's molecules are unstable after a run-in with the SS, and whenever he touches people he switches powers with them. In the closing part of the movie, Doom has stolen the SS powers, and Sue has been mortally injured. The F4 can't attack Doom as a team, and none of them can handle him solo. So Johnny "absorbs" the powers of his three teammates, and goes one-on-one with Doom, effectively owning him.

Hmm, I understand what Cyrusbales meant - the X-Men are a "team", it wouldn't have worked for Rogue to absorb all those powers and crush Magneto's army all on her own.

But some elements of this could work. If X3 has expanded on her stance in X2, emphasised that Rogue was starting to accept her powers, what they could do etc, than she would've felt much better about implementing them in battle.

 

[Storm22]

Rogue was not set up as an action character, she was an emotional story, showing the negative side among other things. They tried to change her in x3, with the danger room sequence etc, and that was terrible.

She still demonstrated her emotional arc in X3 though and that's part of my problem with her, that's all she did. How did they try and change her in X3?

 

[TKing]

Rogue was not set up as an action character, she was an emotional story, showing the negative side among other things. They tried to change her in x3, with the danger room sequence etc, and that was terrible.

Though fans have often complained that Rogue's character was too "bland" - or too unlike her comic counterpart. I don't see the harm in providing more action for her in X3 - it just could have been used better, and intertwined with her progression as a person (and learning to accept herself).

 

[Cyrusbales]

She still demonstrated her emotional arc in X3 though and that's part of my problem with her, that's all she did. How did they try and change her in X3?

She wouldn't have been involved in the danger room, what exactly did she aim to do? What use is she against a sentinell? None.

She is the emotional core, we had logan as the action and an interesting story, but through rogue and logan, that's how we are introduced to the x-men world.

Rogue is not designed for action in the x-men films, she is quite a different character from the comics, but a very neccessary one.

Her powers are traumatic, she only uses them willingly when absolutley necessary.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Rogue was not set up as an action character, she was an emotional story, showing the negative side among other things. They tried to change her in x3, with the danger room sequence etc, and that was terrible.

I don't think one thing can exclude the other. IMO, Singer was setting Rogue so that she became a true part of the team, and her evolution along the first two movies was pretty visible. She was a lot more confident by the end of X2. IMO, X3 didn't even try to put her in action. The Danger Room scene was a waste, but that doesn't mean she can't have any action. She wasn't even an integral part of the drama too. She was just...absent.

To put her in action demands a little creativity and will. She's not obviously easy to handle when it comes to action, but it is possible, as seen in Evolution. But some writters are just too lazy to think.

 

[Cyrusbales]

It was not necessary, she was there for an emotional battle with the cure, not the pysical one with mags.

 

[TKing]

To put her in action demands a little creativity and will. She's not obviously easy to handle when it comes to action, but it is possible, as seen in Evolution. But some writters are just too lazy to think.

Exactly. With Rogue, creativity is needed more than anything else. The writers of X3 didn't seem to care for Rogue enough to a) integrate her effectively into the action b) carry on from where her character left off from X2 and advance into a confident, self-accepted person

 

[TKing]

It was not necessary, she was there for an emotional battle with the cure, not the pysical one with mags.

And the writers trashed that battle, didn't they?

 

[Storm22]

In X2 she had somewhat of a creative, action oriented sequence draining Pyro and using his powers. Sure in X3 she absorbed Colossus' powers in the DR but she was more like a scared little girl hiding and Colossus had to touch her to allow his power transfer, she didn't initiate it.