"They're Attacking Me Because I'm White!"

[Matt]

Wasn't John Edwards lampooned when he ran in 2004? His opponents criticized him for not having enough experience, and he had almost served out the entirety of his Senate term. So I definitely agree that the tables would have been a lot different, on that end, if Obama was white.

That is correct. The media has blacklisted Edwards from day one. In 2004 it was because of his lack of experience. In 2008, it is because they created rock star candidates and created the image that Edwards never a chance (despite the fact that he kept it a consistent three way race, even upsetting Clinton in Iowa by coming in second).

 

[hippie_hunter]

And people aren't attacking Ferraro for being white. They're attacking her for being a racist crack.

jag

I wouldn't call Ferraro a racist for this comment. She's pretty much telling the truth here and she isn't intentionally insulting his race. She just should have known better to keep her mouth shut.

 

[Marx]

John Edwards is charasmatic and preached a MAJOR message of change (especially for the middle class). He was shot down by the media. The media would've ensured Clinton the nomination if not for a more appealing minority popping up. I could see Obama maybe running for the presidency in 2012 based on his charisma and message, but lets face it. A senator with barely 3 years experience would not be in the spot light for the presidency were it not for the media putting him on a pedestal, which they did because of his skin color.

I would tend to agree with this. John Edwards is all the things that Barack Obama is, except the media drove him into the ground. As was said before, if Obama were a young white male (with the same exact message and only 3 years experience, Clinton would be crushing him and he wouldn't even be in the picture.)

 

[Marx]

I wouldn't call Ferraro a racist for this comment. She's pretty much telling the truth here and she isn't intentionally insulting his race. She just should have known better to keep her mouth shut.

Ferraro is not a racist. There is such a thing as "saying what the people are thinking." If anyone actually thinks that race and sex aren't becoming more of an issue, they're crazy. You need to look no further than the results of the Mississippi where the electorate largely voted on racial lines.

 

[lazur]

Obama is in the hunt because he's proven himself to be inspirational to a lot of people, giving them new hope in the political process and bringing people back into the political process who either never have been before (the youth vote) or people who have felt disenfranchised by politics for many years now. He's a dynamic speaker and is very focused, trying to hone in on the things American's care about. He's tried to present a focus on issues that people care about in this country, and he's tried to do so in a way that's open, frank and at least seems sincere and honest. None of that has anything to do with the color of his skin.

I'm not getting how his ability to speak has anything to do with being qualified for the Presidency. The man has never accomplished anything. That's not to say he can't or won't, but don't you think it would behoove us to elect someone with experience more than someone who can speak well who also happens to be black?

And, tbh, I don't disagree with the original statement. If Obama was white, his record of 'no experience' would be haunting him every day in the media. He's being completely handled with 'kid gloves' and everyone knows it.

 

[jaguarr]

I'm not getting how his ability to speak has anything to do with being qualified for the Presidency. The man has never accomplished anything. That's not to say he can't or won't, but don't you think it would behoove us to elect someone with experience more than someone who can speak well who also happens to be black?

And, tbh, I don't disagree with the original statement. If Obama was white, his record of 'no experience' would be haunting him every day in the media. He's being completely handled with 'kid gloves' and everyone knows it.

Hillary has no experience. She has the last name of Clinton. McCain is a POW war hero and Bushie teat suckler. He really doesn't have all that much experience, either. Yet they are coddled by the media as well.

jag

 

[hippie_hunter]

Hillary has no experience. She has the last name of Clinton. McCain is a POW war hero and Bushie teat suckler. He really doesn't have all that much experience, either. Yet they are coddled by the media as well.

jag

McCain has served in Congress for 25 years, been involved in Congress for 30 years, and has served this country for 50 years. Saying that he has no experience at all because he sucked up to the evangellicals and Bush supporters to try and get the Republican nominatoin is a load of bull.

 

[lazur]

Hillary has no experience. She has the last name of Clinton. McCain is a POW war hero and Bushie teat suckler. He really doesn't have all that much experience, either. Yet they are coddled by the media as well.

jag

As much as I detest Hillary, she still has significantly more experience (even if a lot of it is peripheral) than Obama. I'm also not crazy about McCain, but he also has more political experience than Hillary and Obama combined, not to mention his military experience and his experience as a POW for a country he absolutely LOVES.

None of the candidates are 'qualified', but Hillary and Obama are the least qualified of the bunch. (If you want my true opinion on this matter, I don't believe anyone OTHER than governors of states should be able to run for President. They are the people in political offices who understand what governing and being a 'leader of people' is all about. Senators and Reps know nothing of this.)

Don't get me wrong - I do *like* Obama. I think he resonates well with the American people. I just don't know if I trust him to run an entire country that's currently at war. That's a TALL order for anyone, even with experience.

 

[jaguarr]

Here's an admittedly very biased rundown of McCain's "experience":

http://www.democrats.com/mccains-experience


jag

 

[lazur]

Here's an admittedly very biased rundown of McCain's "experience":

http://www.democrats.com/mccains-experience


jag

If it's 'admittedly biased', what makes you think anyone's going to click the link? LOL

 

[Matt]

Here's an admittedly very biased rundown of McCain's "experience":

http://www.democrats.com/mccains-experience


jag

Jag, that is ridiculous and you know it.

 

[jaguarr]

Unless you actually do something while in office, just being in Congress for an extended period of time doesn't constitute experience as far as I'm concerned. McCain hasn't done jack with his time in Congress.

jag

 

[The Senator]

Unless you actually do something while in office, just being in Congress for an extended period of time doesn't constitute experience as far as I'm concerned. McCain hasn't done jack with his time in Congress.

jag

The same can and must be said about Obama, then.

Seriously, this election has taken the words "experience," "hope" and "change" to a completely different level. They've been twisted, contorted, doused in gasoline and set on fire. Neither word will retain its meaning after this election.

Experience is being able to wave accomplishments over one's head and run an election based on those accomplishments. McCain has several. Clinton has few. Obama, as far as I'm concerned, has next to none. Yet... for some reason... McCain doesn't have any experience, Clinton has little experience, and Obama has the most experience of anyone running

This is why Presidential politics suck.

 

[jaguarr]

The same can and must be said about Obama, then.

Seriously, this election has taken the words "experience," "hope" and "change" to a completely different level. They've been twisted, contorted, doused in gasoline and set on fire. Neither word will retain its meaning after this election.

Experience is being able to wave accomplishments over one's head and run an election based on those accomplishments. McCain has several. Clinton has few. Obama, as far as I'm concerned, has next to none. Yet... for some reason... McCain doesn't have any experience, Clinton has little experience, and Obama has the most experience of anyone running

This is why Presidential politics suck.

I actually agree with all of that. But I don't see anyone touting Obama as having a ton of experience, including himself (he seems more focused on good judgment as a talking point, which isn't entirely invalid). Hillary and McCain are the ones tooting their own experience horns and bashing Obama for not having any, but the reality is neither of them has much if any at all (particularly in Hillary's case).

jag

 

[lazur]

This is why Presidential politics suck.

That is why we need an amendment allowing only governors of states to run for Presidential office, imo.

 

[The Senator]

That is why we need an amendment allowing only governors of states to run for Presidential office, imo.

Um... how about no?

 

[The Senator]

I actually agree with all of that. But I don't see anyone touting Obama as having a ton of experience, including himself (he seems more focused on good judgment as a talking point, which isn't entirely invalid). Hillary and McCain are the ones tooting their own experience horns and bashing Obama for not having any, but the reality is neither of them has much if any at all (particularly in Hillary's case).

jag

Many of his supporters, even on this forum, use his eight years in the state senate as relevant experience to trump Clinton's claim that she has more experience in the U.S. senate. Some posters have even used his time as a "community organizer" as relevant experience. I think both claims are incredibly laughable. Meanwhile, people are willing to brush off the 25 years McCain has spent in the Senate as "not enough experience," though some of the same people who jump on that boat will be willing to say that Obama has "done more with his time." It's a never-ending moebius strip of backwards logic. The fact is, if you compare Obama and McCain's resume, you'll find that McCain has attached his name to legislation which not only passed, but actually accomplished something, whereas Obama is touting an ethics reform bill which didn't really reform ethics standards as the cornerstone of a short resume.

 

[bell110]

That is why we need an amendment allowing only governors of states to run for Presidential office, imo.

Who would be allowed to run for governor than?

 

[jaguarr]

Many of his supporters, even on this forum, use his eight years in the state senate as relevant experience to trump Clinton's claim that she has more experience in the U.S. senate. Some posters have even used his time as a "community organizer" as relevant experience. I think both claims are incredibly laughable. Meanwhile, people are willing to brush off the 25 years McCain has spent in the Senate as "not enough experience," though some of the same people who jump on that boat will be willing to say that Obama has "done more with his time." It's a never-ending moebius strip of backwards logic. The fact is, if you compare Obama and McCain's resume, you'll find that McCain has attached his name to legislation which not only passed, but actually accomplished something.

Yeah, that's why I say the whole experience talking point has completely backfired on the people who have tried to put it at the forefront. Unless that's REALLY your strong point, don't push it as a focus, because it will bite you in the ass.

jag

 

[hippie_hunter]

Here's an admittedly very biased rundown of McCain's "experience":

http://www.democrats.com/mccains-experience


jag

Oh come on dude. That "article" is a load of bullocks and as Matt said, you know it. It's nothing but a biased piece of crap from "Democrats.com". Of course something like that is going to try and say that he has no experience despite the fact that he's been serving this country for over 50 years and has been involved in politics for 30 years.

 

[hippie_hunter]

That is why we need an amendment allowing only governors of states to run for Presidential office, imo.

Absolutely not. It is completely undemocratic to restrict the office of Presidency to just 50 people.

Plus George W. Bush has done such a great job

 

[jaguarr]

Oh come on dude. That "article" is a load of bullocks and as Matt said, you know it. It's nothing but a biased piece of crap from "Democrats.com". Of course something like that is going to try and say that he has no experience despite the fact that he's been serving this country for over 50 years and has been involved in politics for 30 years.

I was just winding you guys up.

jag

 

[hippie_hunter]

I was just winding you guys up.

jag

Good, because you almost disappointed me there. That would have been the first time I saw you post an arguement that wasn't good

jag posting bad arguements is out of character.

 

[jaguarr]

Good, because you almost disappointed me there. That would have been the first time I saw you post an arguement that wasn't good

jag posting bad arguements is out of character.

I found that article and just couldn't resist. I've been on a bit of a tear with pranking people, lately.

jag

 

[sinewave]

i thought obama was white?