Batman Begins Things Batman Begins got Right/Wrong

[RobC]

Meh, I thought Wilkinson did quite well, Garcia wouldn't have been better IMO. Everyone says that Falcone was a weak point of BB, but I thought he did quite well, served his purpose...

 

[COMPO]

NO!!! the inner part of bruce wayne IS batman not after a long time in a simple costume it was created the day his parents died ITS A DARK PART OF HIS SOUL PERSONIFIED NOT A TOOL TO SCARE THUGS. I had VERY high hopes for Bale and he is good but watching him in american psycho where he is obsessed, and crazy shows what he could have done with the Batman/wayne role i dont expect the level of insanity of American Psycho but it showed what bale is capable of. I said a long time ago that he seemed on autopilot in BB and i think its even more evident after repeated viewing 2 years later and compared to his other film work.

yes, b Keatons Batman was older and had bin Batman for a while, he had emersed himself in the mantle of Batman were as Bale still is sane.

 

[Damiean Dark]

Thats a cop out batman is new to gotham in B89 as well no where in the film do i hear that hes been present in the city for long the thing with B89 is this batman was totally prepared before he hit the streets he didnt make it up as he went along like the batman of BB. The plain facts are that keatons bat/wayne got to the soul of the character the duality and inner conflict BB immeresed itself to much in the "lets make bats badass" at all costs" method and in the process ruined the movie for me.

 

[Damiean Dark]

Meh, I thought Wilkinson did quite well, Garcia wouldn't have been better IMO. Everyone says that Falcone was a weak point of BB, but I thought he did quite well, served his purpose...

Thats fine then isnt it? he served his purpose they may as well have cast me in the role then i think of myself as a pretty good actor (though one with no training or experiance) and although ill stink in the role of falcone ill still serve my purpose.

 

[COMPO]

Thats a cop out batman is new to gotham in B89 as well no where in the film do i hear that hes been present in the city for long the thing with B89 is this batman was totally prepared before he hit the streets he didnt make it up as he went along like the batman of BB. The plain facts are that keatons bat/wayne got to the soul of the character the duality and inner conflict BB immeresed itself to much in the "lets make bats badass" at all costs" method and in the process ruined the movie for me.

oh yeah knox said he'd only been there for a month. But, he's still young and is learning wheras Keatons Batman had been training all his life.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Thats a cop out batman is new to gotham in B89

No he isn't. Even Knox said he been there for months. That is surely not new to Gotham.

B89 is this batman was totally prepared before he hit the streets

Didn't look like he was prepared at all when he got his ass beaten by M.C. Hammer near the end. Batman would always be prepare, but he wasn't in that film. So much for being master of martial arts, since he didn't look like in that one.

The plain facts are that keatons bat/wayne got to the soul of the character the duality and inner conflict

Fact? I hope you're not saying it's a fact that Keaton's Batman/Wayne got the soul of the character & duality, since you're saying it your opinion. Better not be confusing so-call facts with your opinions.

immeresed itself to much in the "lets make bats badass" at all costs" method and in the process ruined the movie for me.

So you want Batman to be a wuss than badass? Guess that explain why Keaton's Batman wasn't that tough, where Bale is. Pretty much like how Batman is suppose to be from the comics, cartoons, & others with how Bale play him.

 

[Damiean Dark]

No he isn't. Even Knox said he been there for months. That is surely not new to Gotham.

a month is that really that long? dont flame just be honest



Didn't look like he was prepared at all when he got his ass beaten by M.C. Hammer near the end. Batman would always be prepare, but he wasn't in that film. So much for being master of martial arts, since he didn't look like in that one.

Batman just survived a plane crash for goods sake shouldnt he be weakened? but he wins by using his brains against a stronger opponent like batman would.



Fact? I hope you're not saying it's a fact that Keaton's Batman/Wayne got the soul of the character & duality, since you're saying it your opinion. Better not be confusing so-call facts with your opinions.

Okay IMO OKAY!!



So you want Batman to be a wuss than badass? Guess that explain why Keaton's Batman wasn't that tough, where Bale is. Pretty much like how Batman is suppose to be from the comics, cartoons, & others with how Bale play him.

I want a balance batman isnt all about beating people senseless some of you here dont understand that. batman is the dark soul of bruce wayne personified created when his parents died not after joe chill gets away and falcone down talks him and throws him out of his club. he uses a mixture of technology, training and his burning intelligence to take down crime the intelligence factor is almost totally absent in BB bruce relying on Fox to create his suit,transport and weapons was a terrible idea imo being tough isnt all about the showing of physical prowess sometimes someone can just have a look that tells you in your head "this guy is crazy and could probably kick my ass".

 

[batman497]

I only have one serious problem with bb. I can deal with everything but allowing ras al guhl to die. The whole point of the movie for bruce is to decide how he is going to deal with injustice what kind of savior will he be, if any at all. In every other modern batman medium batman considers allowing someone to die murder. He would give his own life for any other person and that includes the criminals. That is what seperates him from them. That is what makes batman good and not just some vigilante. I think that filmmakers really miss that a lot. When i saw begins the first time I pretty much loved everything but at the end my heart litteraly sank. It took me several more viewings to really accept it. It's just amazing that they create this origin story and the whole movie leads up to him making the right choice him understanding that the only real justice we humans can ever understand is the right to life no matter how bad you are no body has the right to take another's lie and we need to protect that. It seems like in the end nolan just tokk the easy way out. Not have him kill but not allow ras to live. I realize this will be a similar theme for the dark knight. I hope they have learned from this mistake.

 

[El Payaso]

I only have one serious problem with bb. I can deal with everything but allowing ras al guhl to die. The whole point of the movie for bruce is to decide how he is going to deal with injustice what kind of savior will he be, if any at all. In every other modern batman medium batman considers allowing someone to die murder. He would give his own life for any other person and that includes the criminals. That is what seperates him from them. That is what makes batman good and not just some vigilante. I think that filmmakers really miss that a lot. When i saw begins the first time I pretty much loved everything but at the end my heart litteraly sank. It took me several more viewings to really accept it. It's just amazing that they create this origin story and the whole movie leads up to him making the right choice him understanding that the only real justice we humans can ever understand is the right to life no matter how bad you are no body has the right to take another's lie and we need to protect that. It seems like in the end nolan just tokk the easy way out. Not have him kill but not allow ras to live. I realize this will be a similar theme for the dark knight. I hope they have learned from this mistake.

I very much agree.

The BB Batman was the save-him-even-if-it's-a-bad-guy kind of Batman.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Hey, even Batman Forever got that part right.

Robin gave Two Face his hand and helped him up when he was about to fall and die.

Two Face: "I'll see you in hell dear boy"
Robin: "I'd rather see you in jail."


Batman Begins: "I'll just let you die and see you in hell Ra's" lol

 

[batman497]

I guess the guy that stole his neighbors land and became a murderer deserves a trial but not ras

 

[Mr. Socko]

If in that very scene, the dirty man who became a murderer...had he been hanging by a noose and Ra's instructed Bruce to stab him as his final act to prove himself of being a member of the LoS, Bruce just said "Nah, I won't stab him, I'll just let him hang there and die by that noose." Would that have have been acceptable?

 

[roach]

it isnt the amount of time that makes Bruce nutty...it's seeing his parents killed infront of him
Bale's performance had no darkness to it

 

[Damiean Dark]

it isnt the amount of time that makes Bruce nutty...it's seeing his parents killed infront of him
Bale's performance had no darkness to it

Yes i dont get that some people dont understand this the deaths messed him up and created the drive to make him one of DCs greatest heroes what makes it far worse is that Bales is imo fully capable of doing this darkness but in BB he was fully on autopilot i do think (AND PRAY) though because BB was so popular he will step up his game for TDK.

 

[COMPO]

i think Bale will and what with the Joker and everything it'll bring back some supressed memories he's been trying to hold back.

 

[batman497]

If in that very scene, the dirty man who became a murderer...had he been hanging by a noose and Ra's instructed Bruce to stab him as his final act to prove himself of being a member of the LoS, Bruce just said "Nah, I won't stab him, I'll just let him hang there and die by that noose." Would that have have been acceptable?

lol

 

[roach]

i think Bale will and what with the Joker and everything it'll bring back some supressed memories he's been trying to hold back.

supressed memories of what???
He dreamed the whole sequence in the first movie

 

[DA Dent]

Pros: Everything
Cons: Nothing

 

[Damiean Dark]

^yawn.

 

[COMPO]

supressed memories of what???
He dreamed the whole sequence in the first movie

sorry, not memories. I meant feelings. I mean all these murders remind him of his parents death and he starts to feel responsible making him more and more closed off and brooding.

 

[El Payaso]

Hey, even Batman Forever got that part right.

Robin gave Two Face his hand and helped him up when he was about to fall and die.

Two Face: "I'll see you in hell dear boy"
Robin: "I'd rather see you in jail."


Batman Begins: "I'll just let you die and see you in hell Ra's" lol

Can't believe Schumacher handled it better.

I guess the guy that stole his neighbors land and became a murderer deserves a trial but not ras

But Batman knows he's not the one to draw the line.

 

[Nightwing1977]

^yawn.

Why he deserve to get a yawn from you for that? I could do the same if you mention the same way to B89 & BR with thinking those 2 pros are everything & nothing on cons.

 

[Mr.E.Nygma]

Why he deserve to get a yawn from you for that? I could do the same if you mention the same way to B89 & BR with thinking those 2 pros are everything & nothing on cons.

I agree than on Nolan's AND on Burton's side, there are extremists who think that this version is perfect...but that's why it,s boring, nothing is perfect, I mean I'm myself a huge Burton and Nolan fan, I like their visions on the Batman mytho, but I can't just say nothing went wrong, because in both cases it's false. Nothing is perfect, people has to be aware of that. You have to analyze the world with nuance, not just pure saturated statement : this is perfect, this is non-perfect, thus has to die, kinda speech. Don't know if you see my point, but anyway, both Nolan and Burton had excellent points and things to improve. And I don't want to start a Nolan VS Burton disagreement again.

 

[DA Dent]

Pros: Everything
Cons: Nothing

Come on, I posted that expecting to get another speech, all I get is a lousy yawn?

 

[BubbaGump]

^yawn.

Respect his opinion or die.