Batman Begins Things Batman Begins got Right/Wrong

[Paste Pot Pete]

It's not like The League showed up out of nowhere in the third act. Attacking Gotham was the plan from the get-go; it's what they wanted Bruce for in the first place.

What Nolan does beautifully is take us on the same course as Bruce. He/we think Ra's is dead, thus the plan dies with him. Bruce moves on with his own mission, we forget about the League as we get wrapped up in all the Batman heroics, until the past comes back to bite us.

 

[Golgo-13]

It's not like The League showed up out of nowhere in the third act. Attacking Gotham was the plan from the get-go; it's what they wanted Bruce for in the first place.

What Nolan does beautifully is take us on the same course as Bruce. He/we think Ra's is dead, thus the plan dies with him. Bruce moves on with his own mission, we forget about the League as we get wrapped up in all the Batman heroics, until the past comes back to bite us.

Well put.

 

[p4poetic]

That said, Vicky tricked Joker so he lowered his guard. Not average either.

By assimilating oral sex? Too easy.

Ledger was getting Oscar buzz before the film even opened to all-time record shattering box office numbers. Industry insiders were talking about Oscar buzz for him before he even passed away. Yes, Oscars typically ignore superhero movies. The fact that the movie itself is getting so much buzz, and Ledger's imparticular shows how great a feat it actually is ...

You are a bonnafide hater if you think the only reason Ledger is getting this Oscar buzz is because of his pre-mature death. Totally clown like on your part. But I expect nothing less from you. You are a notorious Nolan hating goon.

Yes, exactly. The movie also helps that there isn't 'Batman' in the title, which increases it's chances of winning an award that isn't just for technical admiration. And I wish more people from the general public would realize Ledger's appraisal for his performance isn't because "he died".

 

[the_scream]

ive seen this in the misc. batfilms thread, so i thought i'd start it here with my thoughts.


-Falcone didnt come off as dangerous as as he is in the comics, and he talked like a common hood, like a bad godfather impression. came off more funny then threatning.
-Ras is not a deadly enviromentalist but some kind of nihlist. i dont remember him being like this in the comics.
-the Fat-suit. and the tight mouthpiece. combined with that voice. made batman look stupid.
-"nice coat" "excuse me" "its what i DOOO that defines me". please.
-Flass was totally unlike the comics version, which i felt worked better. he was more deadly and a threat to gordon and his ideas while in the film he was the least threatning corrupt cop ever. lame.
-Batmobile, or "tumbler". may have rode awsome in the movie, but it looked like sh**, plain and simple.
-fight scenes. nuff said.
-scarecrow. looked nothing like in the comics, and certainly wasnt as scary or creepy. and when did scarecrow become a young pretty boy with a whisper?
-Katie holmes. nuff said.
you may carry on with your own comments.

I disagree with everything here except I agree that Katie Holmes was miscast.

Scarecrow is the best Batman villain next to the Joker and Two-Face. Nolan nailed the villains. Cillian's stare and creepy demeanor was perfect for the role. I loved the fact that they didn't overdo the costume. Sometimes less is more and with a character like the Scarecrow, he's supposed to look weedy and weak until he uses the fear toxin which makes him look terrifying. Seriously, when I hear people complaining about this character it makes me realise that Nolan was making this film for people like me and not them. Which works for me.

 

[MrQuinn]

I thought Cillian was pretty damn fine as Dr. Crane.
and he is definitely not a pretty boy, by any means.
If he appeared to be too young or some such, I mean, this was a "begins" movie. The characters are not going to be fully established, thus including costume detail as well. Even if you look at origins in comics (and I'm not using Scarecrow as an example, just in general), the characters are always grown into exagerrated versions of themselves. Characterization requires build up, history, and momentum. This being said, I think it's kind of unfair to rag on (in a lot of cases anyways, not cases such as Kingpin in DD, or even Catwoman in Burton's film) characters in film not being exactly like their comic counterparts, because technically, the comic versions are also unlike themselves most of the time.

 

[Mistress Kizuna]

and he is definitely not a pretty boy, by any means.

Not pretty? WTF?

Honestly, if that's not "pretty-boy" I don't know what is.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

Not pretty? WTF?

Honestly, if that's not "pretty-boy" I don't know what is.

Looking at these pics makes me wonder how Murphy's Batman would've gone.

 

[the_scream]

He's not a traditional "pretty boy":

Murphy is a good looking guy but he can look damn creepy with that stare. They also downplay his looks in BB by having him weirdo glasses.

As The NewYorker's David Denby wrote ""Cillian Murphy, who has angelic looks that can turn sinister, is one of the most elegantly seductive monsters in recent movies."

And before someone says "Crane is supposed to be an ugly guy", let me say the most important characteristic of Crane is that he should be lean, and weak, relying on his fear toxin to take down his foes. In Batman Begins, he turns Falcone into a basket-case, almost kills Batman in their first encounter, and almost kills Rachel. The final scene for Crane in BB is fitting - with Rachel immune to the toxin, she quickly dispatches Crane and reveals him for the true coward he really is. Perfect end for him if you ask me. But to each his own.

 

[p4poetic]

Well, DiCaprio has grown up since then

 

[MrQuinn]

He's not a traditional "pretty boy":

Murphy is a good looking guy but he can look damn creepy with that stare. They also downplay his looks in BB by having him weirdo glasses.

As The NewYorker's David Denby wrote ""Cillian Murphy, who has angelic looks that can turn sinister, is one of the most elegantly seductive monsters in recent movies."

And before someone says "Crane is supposed to be an ugly guy", let me say the most important characteristic of Crane is that he should be lean, and weak, relying on his fear toxin to take down his foes. In Batman Begins, he turns Falcone into a basket-case, almost kills Batman in their first encounter, and almost kills Rachel. The final scene for Crane in BB is fitting - with Rachel immune to the toxin, she quickly dispatches Crane and reveals him for the true coward he really is. Perfect end for him if you ask me. But to each his own.

Thank you in regards to the pretty boy thing, that's what I was trying to say, basically.
And I did have kind of a problem with his sudden take down in BB, but I guess if you think about it that does make sense, so thanks for also bringing that to light.