The Dark Knight Rises Things Fans want but are HIGHLY unlikely...

[RockyBatboa]

Seriously, i dont think a "KnightFall" film could be done justice in just 1 film.

Keep in mind that purely, the original storyline was really a trilogy itself composed of "Fall" "Quest" and "End"

Even barring that "Fall" itself had plenty of bases to cover and really started with "Vengeance of Bane"(a sorely underrated piece IMO)

So, just w/ KnightFall, you have to introduce Bane, even if you choose to delete main details in his backstory, you do stll have to set-up the proppers(his history as an experimented-on inmate, his desire for freedom, his intelligence and his savagery, ect.). Then you have to set up Bane in Gotham, him figuring out Wayne is Batman, several villians cameos (to believably set up Batman'ls growing and self-defeating overexhaustion and self-fatigue, you can't just run down the arkham assylum inmate escapees with minute cameos, you have to believably examine theese ecounters are having their toll on Batman), then you show Batman's recapture of theese escapes, Batman's final Battel with Bane, and Bruce's ending defeat.

Just to do all this you have at least a 3 hour epic, and you've ended with a HUGE cliffhanger. There is yet no mention of Azrael, and i think you really have to include him to do the trilogy justice. You have Bruce's mistakes in not relying on help and taking all this on himself, then you have his demented successor tarnishing the mantle, then you have Bruce re-training himself, and reclaiming the mantle in "KnightsEnd."

I know. I have the whole series. Salviated over it durrring my mispent youth when it first came out with the single issues.

It really would HAVE to be a trilogy, i think.

Film 1 would set up both Bane and Azrael, feature Batman's declining condition, the break out from Arkham, Batman's battle with the crazies, the end battle with Bane/Batman.

Film 2 would be Bruce choosing the well-meaning but seriously psychotic Valley assume his mantle, defeat Bane, subsequently get more and more neurotic and insane, actually KILLING some criminals (something i thought went underdeveloped in the original series,-the abattoir issues were way too safe) and Wayne traveling the world seeking the best doctors for his condition (i'd leave out Shondra Kinsolving, as i always had a problem with her supernatural soloution to Wayne's condition. In fact, this would be the best time to introduce Thomas Elliot as The world's most reknown brain/spine surgeon-to possibly set up Hush in a later film).

KnightsEnd would involve The re-training of Wayne (think more scenes similar to the first action scene with Bale in BB, the one with several asians) scenes of hardcore re-realising of his abilities, while AzBats become an actual threat to the law-abiding citizens of Gotham (from criminal-killer to citizen-threatening psychopath with severe neurotic breakdowns).) End Battle between Wayne and Valley. Wayne reclaims mantle.

Of course , this is all just a blueprint.

I still think other villians and characters have to be set up before this trilogy could be at it's most effective.

I see it as after Nolan's third film, a new director comes in and does a three film set, introducing other villians, with a few possible returns (joker) and at least something being done w/ a Robin idea.

THEN the 3 film set after that could be the KNIGHT Trilogy.

I know it seems like a LONG wait, but it's pertinent to effectively telling the KNIGHT story later on, imo.

 

[Travesty]

Highly unlikely? I want a Bat-suit that looks like a Bat-suit, I want a Gotham that looks like Gotham, and I want Two-Face back.

 

[RockyBatboa]

Two-Face is alive and kicking.

DONT believe the hype.

 

[p4poetic]

Harley Quinn would most likely be used in Joel Schumacher's Batman films, considering how loopy and campy her character is. Stick to the cartoon guys.

All I want in Batman 3 is a scene like this somewheres.

 

[RockyBatboa]

Harley Quinn would most likely be used in Joel Schumacher's Batman films, considering how loopy and campy her character is. Stick to the cartoon guys.

I take it you hated my Killer Croc/Man-Bat + Black Canary idea?

 

[p4poetic]

I take it you hated my Killer Croc/Man-Bat + Black Canary idea?

What? No I didn't. Actually, I didn't read any of the posts in this thread. I just came in here to write that, lol.

 

[RockyBatboa]

Well, go read it now if you got the time.

It's not for the faint of heart, but guarnateed to bust a gut!


Unless you have no sense of humor?

 

[In a Pickle]

What does that have to do with anything? I don't wanna get into a argument about it but I'll say this. The Joker is bigger than any actor out there. From Marlon Brando to Heath Ledger. If Nolan wants to use Joker again, he will.

There's #1 right there. JOKER WILL NOT BE RECAST in Nolan's films.

 

[In a Pickle]

Deadshot was done already, in the "Gotham Knight" anime. So was Croc.

OMG! Cause we all know a zillion people watched that one!!

 

[RockyBatboa]

Still no love for the Killer Croc/ Man-Bat + Black Canary story point, i see.........



As for Nolan not recasting Joker in the 3rd film-this is very likely. There may have been some desire to bring Ledger into the 3rd, but after his death, it's not going to happen.

Doesnt mean a new actor wont be cast by a new director though when Nolan stops making the film.

AS for Gotham Knight, i still have only caught a few minutes of it myself. Agree, nothing there is stopping them from showing up in a live action film.

But from what i read in EW, Gotham Knight did do quite well in Dvd sales in it's first weeks.

 

[Ibn]

White Joker.

Brown Ra's.

Two face.

...........I'm already knee deep in pipe dreams.

- Return to regular batsuit.

- Bane (the real deal)

- Croc, or any "non realistic" villain. Thanks WB and Nolan and co.

- Superman cameo......... Hell, any other DC character cameo.

........... I would keep going, but it's getting more and more obvious that theres not a shot in hell of me getting anything on my wishlist.

 

[The Major]

Harley Quinn would most likely be used in Joel Schumacher's Batman films, considering how loopy and campy her character is. Stick to the cartoon guys.

All I want in Batman 3 is a scene like this somewheres.

Joker can be loopy and campy. He turned out fine with Nolan's films.

 

[Team Andino]

White Joker.

Brown Ra's.

Two face.

...........I'm already knee deep in pipe dreams.

- Return to regular batsuit.

- Bane (the real deal)

- Croc, or any "non realistic" villain. Thanks WB and Nolan and co.

- Superman cameo......... Hell, any other DC character cameo.

........... I would keep going, but it's getting more and more obvious that theres not a shot in hell of me getting anything on my wishlist.

You might get your wish when someone else takes the mantle of the Bat films in a couple decades

 

[ross2287]

after that, you could introduce other expendable characters like:

Huntress:mercilessly bi*ch slapped by that perv the Riddler, then hung in the basement of the old "acme riddles" shop for kids.

Spoiler: shot in the head by that old dog, the PEnguIN.

Black Canry: bung-raped by Killer Croc and Man-Bat simultaneously, then smothered dto death by ClayFace.

Sarah Essen Gordon: caught in a violent lesbian menage a trois between Catwoman and Harley Quinn.

Then cap it all off with a final film: Batman saves Christmas!


Epic!

This is it. End thread.

 

[Rolf]

It has just occured to me how unlikely Black Mask's appearance actually is, several reasons:

1) He is very obscure among the none comic readers which comprised much of TDK's massive audiance, The Joker was a well known charecter among none comic readers and his role probably contributed to the movie's sucess. Warner may see casting him as a bad buissness descision and will probably shrink TDK's previous audiance.

2) He has a backstory that has been used in movies countless times, Guy owns a corparation, tries a new buissness venture which turns out to be a disasterous failier and has unexpected side affects on his body or sainity, slowly loses mind, eventually goes completely insane, puts on scary costume/mask and tries to "Destroy" the hero.

WOW, it'd actually be Julian McMahon's Dr. Doom all over again!

3) Actors do not like playing people whose faces are completely obscured.

It would be interesting to see if Nolan could take an overused backstory and make it as interesting as the other charecters he has done so far. The Nolanverse has created relatively origional interpratations of villains, ones that are recognizeably "Evil". I think it would feel strange to see Nolan recycal the "billionaire industrialist gone mad" thing, but if he did, I think he would probably make it interesting and enjoyable again.

 

[Mistah K88]

permawhite Joker (yes I still want it!)

"Unrealistic" villains...like Ivy, Croc, Clayface...etc

Also, that Man Bat, Black Carnary, Killer Croc, and Clayface thing that was mentioned is looking pretty good as well. (it actually made me laugh)

 

[Ryan]

The ending of the third Batman to be a 10 minute face off betweeen Batman and the Joker in the jail cell, sort of like the beginning of The Killing Joke, with Batman trying to reason (and failing) with the Joker about how they have to come to terms with each other. Batman and Joker being played by Keaton and Nicholson in the scene, with of course Nolan directing.

 

[RockyBatboa]

Harley Quinn would most likely be used in Joel Schumacher's Batman films, considering how loopy and campy her character is. Stick to the cartoon guys.

All I want in Batman 3 is a scene like this somewheres.

Thank you for this!

Arguably my favorite scene in "Batman Returns".

In just a matter of seconds Burton and Keaton displayed the potency and vitality of Bruce Wayne's purpose.


As for Harley Quinn, Schumacher is no longer involved with the Batman films, and most likely will never be again.

But what do you think about a Brittany Murphy HQ-you'd be down with that right, if even in a supporting role?

 

[RockyBatboa]

This is it. End thread.

Wait, i have more.t:



Det. Harback Bock investigating a rare case of "ghost crimes"- soon, but not soon enough, he comes to realize they have been perpetrated by the evil spirit, the GentleMan Ghost. Bock succinctly is demon possessed by the Ghost-goes on a killing spree, thousands of mid-eastern gas stations attendants are the victims.

Dr. Shondra Kinsolvng-introduced as a character that Wayne visits to seek hollistic healing after years suffering from injuries of fighting crime. Durring an unscheduled appointment , Bruce opens the door of her office, shocked to see her dressed in CINO outfit.

Holly(Catwoman's girlfriend)-commits petty crime. Batwoman(modern version) asks for "Special Favors" in exchange for not running her in.

The Tim Drake Robin- introduced as the successor of Jason Todd shortly after Todd's trajic warehouse bomb death caused by the Joker.
while at first reluctant to bring on another partner on account of "the dangers", Wayne subsequently changes his mind and agrees to Drake as a protege.
2 Weeks later after final training, Drake is caught in warheouse explosion once again perpetrated by the Joker.

Batman vows no more partners:

Until, Carrie Kelly Robin: Bruce thinks he's finally found the right "jr" ally.
Kelly later revealed as an undercover cop in the special "sexual crimes against youth" department of Gotham's MCU.
(Wayne has lots of 'splaining to do)

 

[RockyBatboa]

It has just occured to me how unlikely Black Mask's appearance actually is, several reasons:

1) He is very obscure among the none comic readers which comprised much of TDK's massive audiance, The Joker was a well known charecter among none comic readers and his role probably contributed to the movie's sucess. Warner may see casting him as a bad buissness descision and will probably shrink TDK's previous audiance.

True. But Nolan and Goyer have both expressed a desire to do some villians the general public are less knowledgable of.

WB may see it as bad business, but it's Nolan's ship to guide. He had already expressed no interest in doing Penguin, and Riddler comes across as to similar to the Joker.

Nolan and co. could introduce Catwoman (a character whoose popularity and appeal is if not equal, very close to the Joke's) to secure the genreal audience and still get away with using Black Mask-the fact that he's less known may excite the general public.

2) He has a backstory that has been used in movies countless times, Guy owns a corparation, tries a new buissness venture which turns out to be a disasterous failier and has unexpected side affects on his body or sainity, slowly loses mind, eventually goes completely insane, puts on scary costume/mask and tries to "Destroy" the hero.

I wouldnt say it's been used "countless" times. Sure, it's not wholly original, but it is for a Batman film. Plus, you really dont have to show Sionis as the business man losing the company. Nolan could just refer to prolific business man who's recently lost all his net worth in the exposition, just as the Joker was referred to as a guy with "war paint" at the beginning of "DK". Then fill in the blanks later concerning the conflict with Wayne.

WOW, it'd actually be Julian McMahon's Dr. Doom all over again!

Except it's a completely different asthetic. Dr. Doom is all sci-fi, Black Mask is an insanely brutal mobster.

3) Actors do not like playing people whose faces are completely obscured.

Absolutely correct. There's really no around this. My one problem with the inclusion of Black Mask is it would likely be similar to the execution of ScareCrow-Cillian Murphy did a fine job, but the extent with with his face went UNcovered really lent to an underutilized character. I see no soloution in this.

It would be interesting to see if Nolan could take an overused backstory and make it as interesting as the other charecters he has done so far. The Nolanverse has created relatively origional interpratations of villains, ones that are recognizeably "Evil". I think it would feel strange to see Nolan recycal the "billionaire industrialist gone mad" thing, but if he did, I think he would probably make it interesting and enjoyable again.

Here's hoping!