The Amazing Spider-Man This Is Not Ultimate Spider-Man - This Is Spider-Man 4: 2.0

[spider-neil]

they should really confuse the heck out of people and bring back JJJ and dylan baker (who deserves his shot at lizard after appearing in two movies).

 

[david icke]

they should really confuse the heck out of people and bring back JJJ and dylan baker (who deserves his shot at lizard after appearing in two movies).

and cast MaGuire and Dunst and Uncle Ben and Aunt May.

I'm quite liking the idea of a quasi-sequel with him in college and the Lizard appearing. But i do think it owuld have been the better idea to go back to high school, start from scratch(without a big origin movie though). the only reason i like the quasi-sequel idea is so that i kind of join it up to the Conners/Parker relationship building up in 2 and 3.
I would like them to keep the same JJJ and Conners actors for that reason too, and because we did not get to see JK Simmons do much more than comedy relief as JJJ, when he is capable of much more than that.

 

[spider-neil]

and cast MaGuire and Dunst and Uncle Ben and Aunt May.

I'm quite liking the idea of a quasi-sequel with him in college and the Lizard appearing. But i do think it owuld have been the better idea to go back to high school, start from scratch(without a big origin movie though). the only reason i like the quasi-sequel idea is so that i kind of join it up to the Conners/Parker relationship building up in 2 and 3.
I would like them to keep the same JJJ and Conners actors for that reason too, and because we did not get to see JK Simmons do much more than comedy relief as JJJ, when he is capable of much more than that.

you would get ore of an emotional ipact when dylan baker changes into the lizard as you've seen him already as an ordinary proff than if a new conners were cast.
it was the exact same thing with rachel dawes, had that been katie holes I think the death would have had more weight

 

[Infinity9999x]

you would get ore of an emotional ipact when dylan baker changes into the lizard as you've seen him already as an ordinary proff than if a new conners were cast.
it was the exact same thing with rachel dawes, had that been katie holes I think the death would have had more weight

Yeah, I would have been happier.

Seriously though, Rachel just wasn't the most engaging character. I never really liked her. I was never going to be that torn up that she was blown up, regardless of who played her.

Still, I really wouldn't mind seeing Baker or Simmons return, they were both good in their roles. And I'd really like to see Simmons get to tackle some of the more dramatic aspects of JJJ.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Connors was physicist in the previous movies. Him suddenly concocting up a regeneration serum wouldn't have made much sense.

So the reboot SHOULD make him a biologist.

 

[SuperFerret]

He had some biological knowledge though, as he studied the symbiote fragment and got generally accurate results.

 

[Rodrigo90]

True. But the way he said "Im a physicist,not a biologist" showed he only has knowledge on the symbiote,but only a small amount. He seemed to be at a loss.

It would have been odd for him to be unsure in biology,then creating an advanced serum that turns him into a humanoid Lizard.

But I guess from that. in 4,he might've gained an obsession on the symbiote sample he kept and researched more into it and learns its ability to replicate its cells. Then obsessing over that maybe it recreate limbs and repair damaged cells. Going too far,thus becoming the Lizard. Just a thought.

 

[Jaxxon]

College makes more sense anyway. Peter wasn't even in high school for THAT long. He graduated in ASM #28.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

True. But the way he said "Im a physicist,not a biologist" showed he only has knowledge on the symbiote,but only a small amount. He seemed to be at a loss.

It would have been odd for him to be unsure in biology,then creating an advanced serum that turns him into a humanoid Lizard.

^maybe, but, it would also be odd or unlikely for someone who is an expert in biology, to make such a mistake I the creating the serum, for the end result of turning himself into a humanoid Lizard....

so, him only having a limited knowledge of biology, kinda makes since...

 

[Rodrigo90]

Well even the best scientists can make mistakes in their work. Ock for example "miscalculated",and he was an expert in his field of fusion energy.

So to have Connors without serious knowledge of biology and then creating the Lizard serum,something that only an extreme expert in that field could just come even barely close to,wouldn't make sense.

Guessing that the symbiote bonds and takes over cells is one thing and he was seeing it right before his eyes under the microscope. But to come up with the idea of serums and chemicals needed,the serious knowledge needed in biology for him to even have a clue what to do,it wouldn't look right for his character as he was a physicist and not a biologist.

So I hope the reboot has him an expert biologist,as that makes sense(and of course Connors is one in the comics).

 

[DACMAN]

No, they rebooted because they're like little kids and think that "Whoops! Do over!" is a valid business method.

Tomato, Tomatoe...

Besides the whole "whoops we made a crappy movie so let's reboot!" seemed to work pretty well with Batman.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Spiderman 3 is not a Batman & Robin. That film bobmed financially. Spidey 3 was the biggest of the 3 worldwide.

 

[Mr. Fixit]

It's going to be interesting to see if they recast JJJ. MY guess is they'll recast across the board.

My pick for a new JJ is R. Lee Ermey.

 

[Mr. Fixit]

edit - double post.

 

[DACMAN]

I told my co-worker about the casting news and she's pretty much sworn off any more Spidey movies...

Did you mention the guy they got to play Peter actually looks like him?

Did you mention that the guy that is replacing him is a better actor? Did you mention that they sound like they want to get the character of Spider-Man right this time?

it was Sony's stupid impatience of not wanting to give Raimi more time to polish a good script for SM4

A "good script"? So I take it you've read the script... "Vulturess" doesn't sound like a good script. I'm also pretty sure it had something to do with the fact Tobey Maguire was asking for 25 million which is almost a third of the entire budget of this new film. He and everyone else was getting too expensive and greedy. It didn't help that Maguire isn't all that great either. They made the right choice in dumping them.

 

[SuperFerret]

Tomato, Tomatoe...

Besides the whole "whoops we made a crappy movie so let's reboot!" seemed to work pretty well with Batman.

Yet Batman Begins didn't suffer from backlash from general audience members who disliked B&R, and many people believed it to be a prequel going into it. Trust me, the Batman franchise did not need to be rebooted, given the time between films and the quality of Begins, it would have done well even if it was Batman 5.

Spiderman 3 is not a Batman & Robin. That film bobmed financially. Spidey 3 was the biggest of the 3 worldwide.

'Nuff said.

It's going to be interesting to see if they recast JJJ. MY guess is they'll recast across the board.

My pick for a new JJ is R. Lee Ermey.

I like it.

 

[FaT_tONle]

If they decide to go for the quasi-sequel, I say bring back Baker for Connors. No one is going to remember the physicist line in SM3, although why they went with that is beyond me. My only thought is that Raimi hated the character and never had intentions of doing Lizard or that the studio was against Lizard in future installments, although having Lizard now would contradict what we believed was Sony's original position on the character. Even so, I am sure Connors has colleagues to assist him with that sort of stuff. It's not a big deal.

 

[zeptron]

If they decide to go for the quasi-sequel, I say bring back Baker for Connors. No one is going to remember the physicist line in SM3, although why they went with that is beyond me. My only thought is that Raimi hated the character and never had intentions of doing Lizard or that the studio was against Lizard in future installments, although having Lizard now would contradict what we believed was Sony's original position on the character. Even so, I am sure Connors has colleagues to assist him with that sort of stuff. It's not a big deal.

I remember reading somewhere that Raimi actually did want to use Lizard and had a story for him. He and Baker had talked about transforming Connors into the Lizard.

I think Sony not wanting to use Lizard for SM4 because of him not having a human face is true considering what they did with the villains in SM3. Harry not really being a goblin and only wearing that ridiculous paint baller's mask for the first minute of his fight with Peter and Venom peeling back his symbiote to have Topher's face revealed to deliver the dialogue. You can't do anything like that with Lizard. Which is probably why they didn't want him.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I know Raimi liked Vulture, but if he didn't intend to use Lizard in SM4, when the **** was he planning on using him? I know he was supposed to be in SM2, but Ock had more of a precedent there than Lizard. That's why I am reluctant to believe Raimi was serious about Lizard. I don't get his Vulture obsession, and to make him the lead villain in SM4? I can see why Sony had second thoughts about that, but it was no excuse for squeezing Raimi completely out of the picture.

 

[zeptron]

I know Raimi liked Vulture, but if he didn't intend to use Lizard in SM4, when the **** was he planning on using him? I know he was supposed to be in SM2, but Ock had more of a precedent there than Lizard. That's why I am reluctant to believe Raimi was serious about Lizard. I don't get his Vulture obsession, and to make him the lead villain in SM4? I can see why Sony had second thoughts about that, but it was no excuse for squeezing Raimi completely out of the picture.

Well remember he wanted to use him in SM3, but was forced to drop him to include Venom. So he probably wanted to make up for that. If Sony had butted out this wouldn't have even been an issue because Vulture would have been out of the way.

I do however agree with him being the only villain. Compared to the other two villains that had their own movies Vulture is a bit of a downgrade. If another villain was in nobody would have cared.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Lizard was originally in SM2, but he was cut and many aspects of Lizard were given to Ock. The Lizard influence on SM2 was clear, and I think that is why Raimi didn't want to use him. His story was done already.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Spider-Man 3 had nothing to do with Sony rebooting the franchise...

If it was, they would have just rebooted the series back in 2007-08, instead of wasting over 2 years developing another film with Raimi and Maguire.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Yup. Why do you think SM4 was in development? It was going to get made. SM3, while getting mixed reviews, not mostly negative, that came from fans, but the critics were mixed (hell, it's 62% on RT) and it made a boatload of money. It got rebooted because Raimi and Sony couldn't agree on the story. Which baffles me. The first two films worked out so well for them. You ould think they would have let him do whatever he wanted because it worked. I give credit fro Raimi thinking of us and putting Venom in for us, but he should have stuck to his guns in the end and went with his vision. I'm sure if he did, SM3 would have been better.

 

[©KAW]

True. But the way he said "Im a physicist,not a biologist" showed he only has knowledge on the symbiote,but only a small amount. He seemed to be at a loss.

It would have been odd for him to be unsure in biology,then creating an advanced serum that turns him into a humanoid Lizard.

That was the line that even the most beloved Sam Raimi fan should have said..."does he even get these characters?"

Seriously, how do you leave out and make Curt Connors say the one thing that connects him to becoming The Lizard. It's the equivalent of Otto Octavius saying in SM1..."I'm a nurse, not a Scientist." And leaving us wondering how he's gonna become Doctor Octopus in SM2.

Lizard was originally in SM2, but he was cut and many aspects of Lizard were given to Ock. The Lizard influence on SM2 was clear, and I think that is why Raimi didn't want to use him. His story was done already.

The combining of two key characters, who are very different from one another in character makes little sense. I guess that's why we got...Mary Gwen Watson Stacy, eh?

What more proof do you people need, that the director holding the keys to this franchise knew nothing about opening the door to Spider-Man's world.

 

[X Knight]

in regards to the "I'm a physicist, not a biologist" statement, here's a simple explanation they could have used, if they wanted Connors to become the Lizard.

Put simply......Connors was lying to Peter. It's not inconceivable that Connors, like Peter, is living a double life. To Peter and the rest of his class, Connors passes himself off as "merely a physicist." But, in private, he has vast, advanced knowledge of biology, as he's secretly working on the serum formula that will regrow his arm.

If that's the case, it's not hard to believe that Connors is not going to come out and tell Peter when they were studying the symbiote in private..."Oh. BTW. I'm not just a physics professor. I'm also a super smart biologist." No matter how much Connors likes Peter. Just like Peter doesn't go around broadcasting to everyone that he's Spider-man.