The Amazing Spider-Man This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume?

[Rodrigo90]

Yeah. I would definitely go with the Alex Ross drawing,that would be the best look for him.

 

[Oscorp]

If he transforms back and forth, then I don't think it will work. Transforming into a goblin and then back to a human is cliche, tired, and lame. Norman being that same man underneath the mask is more scary that him transforming into a goblin. Also, would they explain the experiment gone awry that transforms a man into an evil green skinned halloween creature? Did he get some goblin DNA? If he doesn't, then you lose the duality that is Norman and Green Goblin and that would be terrible. The only thing that will work imo is if you make it a costume...a really ****ing scary costume.

IMO, I love Norman when he knows fully well what he is and he uses his Norman persona as a snake in the grass. I don't like the Jekyl/Hyde mentality.

Oz in the Ultimate universe is terrible and I can't explain it and neither can they...what they did to Norman/Green Goblin in that universe is awful.

Another reason I think they will stay away from transformations is the cost of CGI. This budget isn't very big and that would eat a lot of money or look like crap if they don't use enough.

Gee, I don't know. Maybe because he ****ing went bonkers under the serum?

The villain is already stablished as a mad psychotic guy who likes masks. Is it really that much of a stretch that he develops a persona by wearing a mask?

It's not like they actually explain where the hell did the hightech Goblin mask he had on the Raimi films came from, either.

While I find the whole purse and purple garment taking it a little too far, if we had a silicon mask + some purpleish ragged robes it would actually look good.

I totally agree with you guys. Even though I think a purse actually could look cool and crazy :P

 

[SpideyFan-Man]

The transformation sequence in the first spider man movie was perfect. Exactly how i would have imagined it. The only problem was the costume! It needed to be old classic green with purple vest, gloves, boots, and sleep cap. That would make my day.

 

[Michael Frost]

I had forgotten about this thread. Wow..

I still stand behind everything I said here btw. Even if it seems more likely now that they'll go the physical transformation route...

Heck, I could even see them justify the "Goblinesque" look by having Osborn mix and match some of Connor's Lizard formula with his Oz component. Creating the green, scaly and pointed teeth aberration that they call Ultimate Goblin...

Bleh, even writing it made me a bit nauseous :P

 

[RemixNinja]

I would like the mask to be something like this:

http://dennismicka.blogspot.com/2011/06/green-goblin-mask.html

 

[Spider-Who?]

Ignoring the glider and the helmet, I'd be okay if they used something like this as a starting off point:

Something with military origins that Goblin can modify. I really don't want to see a green guy in a purple tunic and booties. I certainly don't mind him having a cape/hood, but an accurate representation of the comic Goblin is gonna look worse than in SM1, imo.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Ignoring the glider and the helmet, I'd be okay if they used something like this as a starting off point:

Something with military origins that Goblin can modify. I really don't want to see a green guy in a purple tunic and booties. I certainly don't mind him having a cape/hood, but an accurate representation of the comic Goblin is gonna look worse than in SM1, imo.

It's certainly true that just because something works really well in one medium doesn't necessarily translate well to another.

I like the idea you have going here and I realize it's just a starting point but this design looks like a cross between a GI Joe character and the New Goblin featured in SM3. It's not bad but some things need to be tweaked. I don't really care for those goggles.

 

[Oscorp]

Yeah that design is downright ugly if you ask me

 

[Spider-Who?]

Yeah that design is downright ugly if you ask me

I'm not saying to use THAT design, but use that idea as a starting off point...in other words, have the foundation of GG's suit be far more practical than in the comics; something that is capable of being used in comabt. He can than bastardize the suit to better fit his GG persona.

In short, start with something believable and practical, and everything else will fall into place.

 

[Oscorp]

I'm not saying to use THAT design, but use that idea as a starting off point...in other words, have the foundation of GG's suit be far more practical than in the comics; something that is capable of being used in comabt. He can than bastardize the suit to better fit his GG persona.

In short, start with something believable and practical, and everything else will fall into place.

Oh, I agree with that. He could rip it a little to look more horrifying, add the cape, a medieval looking "shirt" (I don't know what it's called in English), the boots and gloves and the mask. Also a glider that looks like in the comics

 

[RemixNinja]

I like the mask The WallCrawleer posted

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=22398121

 

[Michael Frost]

This is actually the picture that I recolored to make my point a few pages behind.

Here's a different take for you to chime in:

What would you say of a guy wearing a mask like the one above, sporting ragged purplish robes, a glider and a bag with his tech. Here's the catch - we would only have the green mask, you would be able to see his human hands and skin between those rags and bits of cloth.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Costume. AND A BETTER FRICKIN COSTUME too!!!!

Physical transformation should be saved for the Lizard.

And a psychotic Norman Osborn, split personality, is MUCH more chilling. And it allows the mind games between Norman and Peter once Norman discovers Peter's secret and begins to toy with him.

I want this, more than anything.

 

[awesome232]

I want this, more than anything.

Agreed!

 

[awesome232]

So w/ the Goblin, it seems pretty clear tht he will be the villain in TASM 2 and Gwen will die. Osborn will possibly and hopefully have an after credit scene to establish him. Like what TheSlag said, he should have a split personality. And I dont care if they go mask or physical change.

 

[Compi716]

How about the glider? Comments on the Raimi suit aside, I think they positively nailed the look of the glider in S-M1. I mean, that was pretty much film-perfect: techy, reminiscent of the comic design, and conforming to some type of "realism."

What should GG's glider look like if he were to appear in this [hopeful] series? Something closer to the classic comicbook interpretations, or more "realistic?"

(I'm hoping for something with a bat motif. Go comics.)

 

[Web face]

This is actually the picture that I recolored to make my point a few pages behind.

Here's a different take for you to chime in:

What would you say of a guy wearing a mask like the one above, sporting ragged purplish robes, a glider and a bag with his tech. Here's the catch - we would only have the green mask, you would be able to see his human hands and skin between those rags and bits of cloth.

I saw those kinds of masks in the Spider-man sequels forum or something and I have always approved of it. I think it would be great if they could make it so that Norman Osborn uses one of those masks in the movie, but the actor wears make up to make the illusion better. Also, I would like it if he had some kind of protective gloves or something. I want him to have some kind of armor under all the rags though, like something that Norman made that is stronger than kevlar or something.

 

[ITheSymbioteI]

Here is the way I'd do GG if it were me. He would be wearing a latex mask, something like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cd/Latex_mask_eg2.jpg/220px-Latex_mask_eg2.jpg

Of course not exactly this, theres too many wrinkles on that mask etc. But you get the idea.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Norman playing mind games and toying with Peter is essential.

I'm in favor of a mutation/transformation using prosthetics/make-up. That latex could work well. You want to see and feel the Goblins madness. I don't want that diffused with a mask. It's OK for comics but cinema is the big leagues. A mask just doesn't translate well IMO.

 

[SpiderMarvelite]

Goblin should be like this:

 

[bullets]

How about the glider? Comments on the Raimi suit aside, I think they positively nailed the look of the glider in S-M1. I mean, that was pretty much film-perfect: techy, reminiscent of the comic design, and conforming to some type of "realism."

What should GG's glider look like if he were to appear in this [hopeful] series? Something closer to the classic comicbook interpretations, or more "realistic?"

(I'm hoping for something with a bat motif. Go comics.)

They nailed the glider in the Raimi trilogy but I think with this series they'll make it a little bit more high tech. Maybe they'll show some sort of tracking system. I hope it's not too different



Also the idea of a physical transformation is growing on me. Goblin would look more menacing if we could see his face this time.

 

[Michael Frost]

I just had a terrible dream where Goblin simply was Norman with green facepaint and a weird hairdo. I was in shock. It resembled Loki from the Son of the Mask movie.

It was such crap that I woke up enraged :P

 

[Keyser Soze]

Here's a controversial idea: how about neither?

I said this in the thread over on the sequels board. I honestly wouldn't object to Norman Osborn showing up as the overall Big Bad of this series but the Green Goblin being absent. In recent years I've found that Norman Osborn himself has grown into a superior villain than his green-masked alter ego. The Green Goblin tormented Spider-Man. Norman Osborn was a threat to The Avengers!

 

[socool]

Here's a controversial idea: how about neither?

I said this in the thread over on the sequels board. I honestly wouldn't object to Norman Osborn showing up as the overall Big Bad of this series but the Green Goblin being absent. In recent years I've found that Norman Osborn himself has grown into a superior villain than his green-masked alter ego. The Green Goblin tormented Spider-Man. Norman Osborn was a threat to The Avengers!

But that's such wasted potential!

 

[Keyser Soze]

I know it likely wouldn't be a popular choice in some circles, and admittedly I'm coming from the perspective of someone who was never the biggest Green Goblin fan, and who thinks some of the best Spider-Man comic stories of the past several years have been American Son and the Osborn miniseries - both of which featured Norman Osborn as a dangerous antagonist without donning his Goblin suit. But I think it could work.

With Norman Osborn as the Big Bad, perhaps marshalling other costumed villains against Spider-Man, he gets to have a major presence in the series, but at the same time you're not retreading the old ground of the last franchise.