Endgame Thor/God of Thunder - Chris Hemsworth

[legendkillin]

I know some were disappointed by the lack of any after credit scenes which makes me wonder why at least the Thor/Guardians bit was not save for the very end.

I preferred the no credit scene. People often look to far ahead for what it next, this is a movie that should be enjoyed and reflected on. Spider-Man is in 2 months which I have always thought was too soon, I wish it was pushed back more(especially with GOTG3 delayed). This movie deserves a ton of time to relax on and appreciate.

 

[MarvelFan]

Agree with Ragnaroknroll, Schlosser85, and especially with what Krypton Inc. said,
very well said!

As huge Marvel fan, I also leave Endgame with a very high note, a totally blown away experience but in the end, I am lying if I say I am not a little dissapointed with how Thor has been handled here (especially compared to Cap and Iron Man).

No, I am not buying into the defense that "Thor story is not over", because as far as I concerned,

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This is will be the last time Hemsworth's Thor will sharing the screen with this version of Cap's Evans (might) and RDJ's Iron Man, but you leave his last Thor arc with them like that?????

Granted, Thor adventure is not done, but as a fellow Thor fan who following and read various Thor story since JMS, Kieron Gillen, Matt Fraction, until now Jason Aaron, I really wanted Thor to have an epic moment, epic action scene, all together one last time with Cap and Iron Man in this last arc of Infinity Saga.

I will be far more satisfying if Hemsworth Thor is having his deserve epic conclusion of this Infinity Saga arc with Evans Cap and RDJ Iron Man instead having his swan song sometime in the future with Pratt's Star Lord or his not funny companion, Korg and Miek.
Is it too much to ask for Hemsworth Thor in his prime to have epic moment with Evans Cap and also RDJ Iron Man one last time?

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And I also agree that Thor in this movie is too much becoming a comedy relief, a buffoon, and a punchline...I mean, take look at the scene of his conversation he had with Valkyrie at the end... The Russos purposely closing up of his (still fat) belly....I mean, what is the purpose of that shot other than for Thor to be laughed at again by audiences.

To me, though overall it is not ruined the whole experience I had with Endgame, but to me it is almost an insult to the Thor I love from the comics. (and the reminder that 616 Thor (which Hemsworth plays perfectly until the Dark World) is still my beloved and favorite Thor than MCU Thor).

I almost cannot believe Feige allowing this to happen to one of their famous and important character.

But well, I have to deal and made peace with it, I believe...
It is a shame, really ...(because excluding Thor, other aspect in this movie is near perfect).

 

[First Avenger]

I'm probably going to rewatch the movie tonight so my mind mind will be clearer with everything the movie throws at me, but man, NEVER would have I thought Thor of all characters would get the most layered, the funniest and at the same time saddest arc in this Whole saga. And the most Amazing thing is that his story isn't even over yet!

 

[Nathaniell]

Might see it again this friday. Whooo me.

I loved this movie.

 

[MarvelFan]

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I would've rather had fat Thor in IW than EG, I mean everyone else is gonna be remembered as badasses and Thor will be remembered for being a fat slob in what is undoubtedly the biggest superhero movie of all time.

Hemsworth's final MCU appearance as Thor will be epic no doubt, but will it be in a movie as big in popular culture as Endgame? For instance, Thor got a much better showing against Hulk in Ragnarok than in The Avengers, but how many more people saw The Avengers (1.5 B) than Ragnarok (850 M)?

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Agree! Besides that, I wanted Hemsworth Thor (in his prime,nonetheless) to be on the same epicness battle wise, with Evans Cap and Iron Man RDJ one last time...I loved the scene where Thor, Cap, and IM has charging Thanos but it would be more epic if Thor have something to be remembered in the final battle. (I also think Marvel has wasted the opportunity to team up Thor and Captain Marvel, they have a nice banter at the beginning but in the end, it has no pay off at all...I'm thinking that when CM smashing Thanos'ship, it should be Thor is there too to assist her, the same way he did in IW)

I am not against Fat Thor, (if that is for the sake for saying that he is depressed for his failure at stopping Thanos). For the first, It is okay for him to be the way he was, but near the final battle, I was actually hoping that he can be back to his normal prime self (perhaps after summoning the lighting or something....after all, he is a god, so it is not in the realm of unrealistic if he does that). but No...I am waiting until the end, Thor is still fat slob.

I am not often to write a message here since I register near 5 years ago, I usually just read without joining the discussion but I aware you are the biggest Thor fan here, BigThor.
After I watched Endgame, the first thing that popped out of my head is I am curious to hear and know what your opinion of Thor's portrayal here. And the fact that you. BigThor of all people is also quite dissapointing with Thor's role here, I know that I am not alone with thinking that this is not how Thor supposed to be handled here (especially in the culmination of this Saga).

 

[Herolee10]

So in the 1500 years that Thor has been around, he was only truly "mighty" for two of those years?

Sounds pathetic to me.

While Thor has been a fan favorite since his debut, I would argue that the character had not made it as a breakout character until his third solo film "Ragnarok". It was because of his portrayal there and in "Infinity War" that people started to see on what Thor was really capable of, hence him being portrayed as the "mighty" Thor when compared to his earlier outings.

"Endgame" pretty much threw ALL of that momentum out of the window.

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His so called "depression" that people keep bringing up as a natural reaction to his predicament wasn't even treated/portrayed as a serious thing and was meant to be used for more comic relief than anything else.

As others have stated, while Thor may end up appearing in films later down the road, there will NEVER be another marvel film that will be as big or groundbreaking as "Endgame". So to cement Thor's image in possibly the biggest superhero/comic book genre film in existence as one where he's

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fat, out of shape, pure comic relief, and pushover when compared to his previous outings is both depressing and a insult to his character and to the fans that have followed his journey.

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Frankly, what they did to Thor in this film when you consider where he was at in popularity and power scale in "Infinity War' Is more worse than what they did with the Mandarin's character in "Iron Man 3" imho.

 

[Ranazza]

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I would've rather had fat Thor in IW than EG, I mean everyone else is gonna be remembered as badasses and Thor will be remembered for being a fat slob in what is undoubtedly the biggest superhero movie of all time.

Hemsworth's final MCU appearance as Thor will be epic no doubt, but will it be in a movie as big in popular culture as Endgame? For instance, Thor got a much better showing against Hulk in Ragnarok than in The Avengers, but how many more people saw The Avengers (1.5 B) than Ragnarok (850 M)?

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I think this Fat-Thor is the natural result of Ragnarok Thor.

You liked Ragnarok, like so many other people: Endgame Thor is the result, so blame yourself.

Disney gave you what you want: you want a funny Thor? Here is your funny Thor! like the one in Ragnarok, this incarnation it's his natural evolution.

Infinity War it's a lonely gem in the recent marvel/disney panorama: everything it's a joke with no drama.

This is what the majority of the audience wanted. You included.

I think you are sad only because there are few strength feats of the odinson: but a film it's not a battle board, the character it's more important than power level.

 

[HammerDown]

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I would've rather had fat Thor in IW than EG, I mean everyone else is gonna be remembered as badasses and Thor will be remembered for being a fat slob in what is undoubtedly the biggest superhero movie of all time.

Hemsworth's final MCU appearance as Thor will be epic no doubt, but will it be in a movie as big in popular culture as Endgame? For instance, Thor got a much better showing against Hulk in Ragnarok than in The Avengers, but how many more people saw The Avengers (1.5 B) than Ragnarok (850 M)?

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I look at that this way, Thor was the MVP on the 5th biggest movie ever... IW. He wasn’t a badass in AEG but he was still a highlight in other surprising ways.

AEG will fall one day as the biggest superhero movie ever as did IW. It’s just a matter of time and I wouldn’t be surprised it’s another MCU movie taking the crown. The box office maximums are increasing almost every year, China in a few years time is gonna dominate the box office as well as many other countries will have an even more influential role in the BO results.

If this was the last chapter of Thor’s story I would be worried but it just isn’t. And it seems as though there’s at least 2 more movies with the God of Thunder. As far as I’m concerned I hope that Thor’s final appearance is against Galactus and he should go out like a boss and with that have his grandiose exit from the MCU.

Until then I’m more than on board for plenty more adventures with Thor in the MCU.

 

[Herolee10]

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I look at that this way, Thor was the MVP on the 5th biggest movie ever... IW. He wasn’t a badass in AEG but he was still a highlight in other surprising ways.

AEG will fall one day as the biggest superhero movie ever as did IW. It’s just a matter of time and I wouldn’t be surprised it’s another MCU movie taking the crown. The box office maximums are increasing almost every year, China in a few years time is gonna dominate the box office as well as many other countries will have an even more influential role in the BO results.

If this was the last chapter of Thor’s story I would be worried but it just isn’t. And it seems as though there’s at least 2 more movies with the God of Thunder. As far as I’m concerned I hope that Thor’s final appearance is against Galactus and he should go out like a boss and with that have a grandiose exit of the MCU.

I honestly don't think that it will be easy, if not possible, to top on what has been achieved with both "Infinity War" and "Endgame". Both films were the product of 22 films/11 years worth of storytelling coming to a close. Replicating that kind of success is not something that one does so easily as there are also several other variables to consider as well.

The so called arc that Thor experienced in EG was treated as pure comic relief in 99% of his scenes. The only time that it was presented in a serious manner was

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when we saw Thor's reaction upon hearing Thanos's name spoken out loud. THAT is the trauma that we should have seen more of. But instead, the film focused more time in showing on how fat he had gotten as opposed to diving into his serious depression. He should have been at a dark place, akin to what Hawkeye was going through.

Aside from the humor, I can't think of any reasons on how a person could justify Thor's usage in EG. It added nothing positive to his character. He did NOT need to be the MVP for this film and we all know that this isn't the Thor Cinematic Universe. But I'm willing to bet that ANY OF US here could have come up with a better arc for him in the film than what we got that would have been more respectful and accepted by fans of the character.

 

[HammerDown]

It was not just pure comic relief and if you can’t understand that then it’s your problem.

There was much more going on with the character. Chris Hemsworth performance was so much more than just funny. It was sad, tragic, endearing...

It’s a shame some people choose to totally discard the emotional journey the character has been through. It’s not all about fireworks.

 

[Herolee10]

It was not just pure comic relief and if you can’t understand that then it’s your problem.

There was much more going on with the character. Chris Hemsworth performance was so much more than just funny. It was sad, tragic, endearing...

It’s a shame some people choose to totally discard the emotional journey the character has been through. It’s not all about fireworks.

With the exception of

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Thor's reaction towards hearing Thanos's name again and his pep talk with Frigga, when else did we see his depression portrayed in a serious manner where his belly fat or strange behavior wasn't the focus of it?

Honestly, we get that Thor is more about than just kicking a lot of ass. But the issue here is that there was no payoff to his story in this film and we don't even know what they were trying to accomplish with him in the first place. The whole be who are meant to be and not who you are supposed to be didn't exactly get focused on afterwards.

Plus, when you portray Thor as someone that can turn the tide of a battle and decide to emasculate him of that quality, then don't expect everyone to be happy about that.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

It was not just pure comic relief and if you can’t understand that then it’s your problem.

There was much more going on with the character. Chris Hemsworth performance was so much more than just funny. It was sad, tragic, endearing...

It’s a shame some people choose to totally discard the emotional journey the character has been through. It’s not all about fireworks.

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I do think that there is good stuff with Thor in AEG. And I think this isn't "sullying" or has "ruined" the character. People are being drama queens in that respect. Also... It's called Avengers, not Thor. He's a part of a whole that is the movie. Finally, even in the comics Thor has never been one to dominate Thanos. His showing in this is about what I would have expected even if he was in shape.

But...

The reaction many are having is because the humor does overshadow the other aspects. It's not a question of the existence of humorous material in regards to Thor is the overwhelming amount even in parts like his meeting with his mother in the past where they could have toned it down by a lot and it would have benefited the moment so much more. The movie would have lost nothing and the aspects you are praising, as do I, which are there, would register more. And this is an issue with a lot of the Marvel output frankly. Do the jokes work? Yeah. They are funny and Hemsworth sells them well. But did it need to be so leaned into?

I'll put it this way... You order a BLT. You get it and it's got only two strips of bacon and a crap ton of lettuce. Sure... It's still a BLT. But it barely has any bacon in it. What you remember and what you mostly taste is the lettuce. For myself the issue with Thor here isn't that they have humor. It's that they turned the knob to eleven and ripped it off. I think many are going overboard with their displeasure at this, but at the same time, similar to Ragnarok they pushed the humor to the point that the other elements get overshadowed. And this is an issue I have with too many films of Marvel where you look at them and go, "You had time for this humorous element but not for things that should probably be focused on dramatically? Why?" In Ragnarok they had time for jokes but no time to go into the revelations of Asgard's past and how that should have affected Thor. In Capt. Marvel they had time for the cat and the Fury eye gag but Marv-Ell and Carol's relationship is perfunctory at best.

 

[BigThor]

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I think this Fat-Thor is the natural result of Ragnarok Thor.

You liked Ragnarok, like so many other people: Endgame Thor is the result, so blame yourself.

Disney gave you what you want: you want a funny Thor? Here is your funny Thor! like the one in Ragnarok, this incarnation it's his natural evolution.

Infinity War it's a lonely gem in the recent marvel/disney panorama: everything it's a joke with no drama.

This is what the majority of the audience wanted. You included.

I think you are sad only because there are few strength feats of the odinson: but a film it's not a battle board, the character it's more important than power level.

I am quite aware this isn't a battle board since I know how to read and I pretty much run the battle threads in the Marvel Films forum thank you very much.

Not once did I say I was "sad" and I also said I enjoyed

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fat Thor a few pages back. My only problem is that it dragged on to long, I wish he had whipped himself back into shape in time for the final battle.

So if you're going to come at me you should try getting your facts together.

Yes I enjoyed Ragnarok, unlike a lot of CBM fans I like comedy in superhero films. However, just because a person likes something that doesn't mean it can't be taken too far and over done.

For the record I would've preferred a little bit less comedy in Ragnarok as well I didn't like EVERYTHING about the movie. I didn't like Thor joking with Surtur in the opening scene, I didn't like Thor screaming when going through the colorful Grandmaster ride, I didn't like hitting himself with that ball in Hulk's room, and I didn't like Korg's response to Asgard blowing up.

Do you need anything else explained? Let me know, because I would be happy to assist you.

 

[Cyrille86]

It was not just pure comic relief and if you can’t understand that then it’s your problem.

There was much more going on with the character. Chris Hemsworth performance was so much more than just funny. It was sad, tragic, endearing...

It’s a shame some people choose to totally discard the emotional journey the character has been through. It’s not all about fireworks.

I think that both sides have many arguments to argue for their point of view. However, it seems a bit over the top to discredit other views by assuming that we do not understand. I do understand, I just do not like it and argue that other choices would have left everyone happy. Also, this talk about depression. Everyone handles it differently, and often depression leads to utter tragedy because no one noticed (meaning, not every depressed person becomes a fat drunk). Moreover, I still consider Thor to be the god of thunder, which must play a role, at least it does to me.

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Hawkeye lost just as much, at least I argue that losing one's children can feel like the whole universe died. Hawkeye too, had to sit there and watch, could not do anything, could not contribute anything. I he not depressed? Has he, in his 40+ earth years, learned and developed more effective coping strategies than a 1500 year old cosmic entity? Possibly. Likely? Not in my opinion.

In retrospect, I must admit that the fatness and general portrayal of Thor would have left me more than satisfied if the humor was toned down, and if Thor would have actually had a miniature redemptive arc in the movie. I must admit that I was getting all excited to see thunder in his eyes, his IW armor return, and a general determination to kill Thanos for good this time. However, we all know that this turned into the Caps show. If Thor would have had more edge in the fight I would have been happy.

That being said, I have two questions for the people that liked or loved the movie:

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Would you have sat in your seats thinking "Man, logic demands Thor to be a depressed, fat, drunk, gaming, joking mess" if you would have seen IW-Thor with PTSD that perhaps deals with it in a different way? If his behavior and portrayal is so relatable, understandable and the "only" logical conclusion, because that is how I read it sometimes, then surely seeing IW-Thor should have irritated you. Right?

Secondly, and I am sorry, if this was discussed before, exactly how does Captain America summon lightning, when it was Thor 3 that established that his hammer merely channels Thor's innate power, as he is, in fact, not the god of hammers?

Thank you

 

[BigThor]

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Secondly, and I am sorry, if this was discussed before,

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exactly how does Captain America summon lightning, when it was Thor 3 that established that his hammer merely channels Thor's innate power, as he is, in fact, not the god of hammers?

Thank you

To be fair, the incantation Odin put on Mjolnir says "Shall posses the power of Thor" at the end. Which means whoever is deemed worthy to wield Mjolnir will also gain Thor's powers (lightning, increase in strength, durability etc.).

It's also that way in the comics as well, so that was pretty comic book accurate honestly.

 

[Cyrille86]

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To be fair, the incantation Odin put on Mjolnir says "Shall posses the power of Thor" at the end. Which means whoever is deemed worthy to wield Mjolnir will also gain Thor's powers (lightning, increase in strength, durability etc.).

It's also that way in the comics as well, so that was pretty comic book accurate honestly.

Thank you, I am not an expert on the comics. I was just wondering. Generally and for a better understanding I will not hide that I simply do not enjoy Caps as a character.

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I admit to my bias that I want to find reasons why him owning Thanos with Mjolnir is utter crap Vision did not summon lightning either. It just seems a bit over the top. We have a Thor, we do not need Cap to be Thor. At least I didn't.

Then, I suppose, the dialogue with Odin in Ragnarok does not match up with the narrative in Thor 1, where it seemed as if Thor's power was tied to the hammer.

 

[BigThor]

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Thank you, I am not an expert on the comics. I was just wondering. Generally and for a better understanding I will not hide that I simply do not enjoy Caps as a character.

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I admit to my bias that I want to find reasons why him owning Thanos with Mjolnir is utter crap Vision did not summon lightning either. It just seems a bit over the top. We have a Thor, we do not need Cap to be Thor. At least I didn't.

Then, I suppose, the dialogue with Odin in Ragnarok does not match up with the narrative in Thor 1, where it seemed as if Thor's power was tied to the hammer.

Odin tied Thor's powers to Mjolnir when he stripped Thor of them after Thor caused friction with the Frost Giants. Once Thor became worthy again his powers which Odin had placed in Mjolnir were bestowed upon him. The power is innately Thor's and only resided in Mjolnir to teach Thor a lesson.

I agree with not needing another Thor that's why I was never in favor of another character wielding Mjolnir in the MCU. I didn't want Vision to do it and I didn't want Cap to do it either, but I always knew Cap wielding it was an inevitablility. People have been getting a "hard on" to see Cap doing that since the first Avengers film.

 

[MadVillainy]

I wanted to say that the Russo’s don’t do well with overpowered characters, but honestly that’s not true.

I never thought of it liek that but yeah I don't think the Russos are good with really strong heroes like Thor, Hulk, and CM. Their answer is just to keep them away from the action or make them

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weaker by making them fat and out of shape.

 

[BigThor]

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Agree! Besides that, I wanted Hemsworth Thor (in his prime,nonetheless) to be on the same epicness battle wise, with Evans Cap and Iron Man RDJ one last time...I loved the scene where Thor, Cap, and IM has charging Thanos but it would be more epic if Thor have something to be remembered in the final battle. (I also think Marvel has wasted the opportunity to team up Thor and Captain Marvel, they have a nice banter at the beginning but in the end, it has no pay off at all...I'm thinking that when CM smashing Thanos'ship, it should be Thor is there too to assist her, the same way he did in IW)

I am not against Fat Thor, (if that is for the sake for saying that he is depressed for his failure at stopping Thanos). For the first, It is okay for him to be the way he was, but near the final battle, I was actually hoping that he can be back to his normal prime self (perhaps after summoning the lighting or something....after all, he is a god, so it is not in the realm of unrealistic if he does that). but No...I am waiting until the end, Thor is still fat slob.

I am not often to write a message here since I register near 5 years ago, I usually just read without joining the discussion but I aware you are the biggest Thor fan here, BigThor.
After I watched Endgame, the first thing that popped out of my head is I am curious to hear and know what your opinion of Thor's portrayal here. And the fact that you. BigThor of all people is also quite dissapointing with Thor's role here, I know that I am not alone with thinking that this is not how Thor supposed to be handled here (especially in the culmination of this Saga).

Thanks, we also got Mjolnir, Ragnaroknroll, and Stormborn holding down the fort for #TeamThor.

R.I.P to my boy Vartha, who was easily a bigger Thor fan than even me. He was also much older than me though, so that may be a factor.

 

[OroroGambitFan]

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I'm glad Thor worked me in this movie and I didn't have the same issue w.it that a vocal few of u had-- and to be fair although I'm coming across videos and tons of comments of support for the direction they took him in I am seeing some that it didnt work for as well so I can say from what I'm seeing its a mixed-postivie reaction.

So for some it worked and for others it didnt...i think most of us get that.

What I dont get is the people who say they were cool w.it but somehow wanted his hammer to transform his fat tissues to muscle in the final battle? WTF!??? That would've been beyond lame!!!

Overweight people have value-- and Thor as someone slightly overweight (honestly compared to humans he really wasnt anywhere near what some have called a "fat slob"). Its possible for him to find his confidence and self-respect and be a badass even w.a few extra pounds on him. Now thats hes in a better state of mind he'll work off the extra pounds and be back to the normal Thor the next time we see him.

I much prefer them doing it this way- the way they did. Had they done it the other way I think it would've been a cop out and I'd have been very disappointed.

 

[Dark Raven]

Men In Black International is like the further adventures of Thor and Valkyrie.

 

[Iceman]

Men In Black International is like the further adventures of Thor and Valkyrie.

They did well to attach that trailer to EG.

 

[Dark Raven]

They did well to attach that trailer to EG.

I didn't see that one at my cinema.

 

[Iceman]

I never thought of it liek that but yeah I don't think the Russos are good with really strong heroes like Thor, Hulk, and CM. Their answer is just to keep them away from the action or make them weaker by

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making them fat and out of shape.

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Yeah, somehow they were all injured, not in the best shape or largely absent (totally absent in Vision’s case). Maybe it’s just a difficulty in incorporating them into scenes with other characters as they did a lot of good 1 on 1s with Thanos and powerful characters in both films. A shame as I prefer team moves to 1 on 1s, especially in a team film.

 

[Iceman]

I didn't see that one at my cinema.

Oh maybe it’s different for different chains. I saw it at the same Vue every time.