Thor: Ragnarok The Official News and Speculation Thread - - Part 11

[HammerDown]

Hammer, when do you think we will start getting the juicy spoilers?

They should pop out here and there from now on. It's just a matter of knowing if you want to be spoiled or not.

 

[IAmAsgardian]

20 days of avoiding spoilers is too much

 

[Mjölnir]

I'm starting to feel my strength increasing when it comes to not watching more footage or reading any spoilers. I think the social media reactions gave me everything I needed to be fine until I get to see it.

 

[Overman27pj]

There are pretty major spoilers in the IW section.

 

[HammerDown]

I see a ton of DC fans on Twitter, Youtube... complaining of how much "Fun" Thor Ragnarok is. Most of them have either DC avatars, DC covers, DC interests... They just can't take it that a movie is getting praise for being a awesome fun time at the theatre. Even the critics and other people on Twitter that saw the movie and we're happy about it got **** and complaints from these same people.

It's embarrassing to be honest. They just can't take the good critic reception to TR because most likely is so close to JL release date and they have to try and make the point across that one movie is not good even though they haven't seen it and the critic response has been very good. I wonder what will happen to them when JL comes out, i wonder how will JL be received and the impact on them.

I am almost sure the same people isn't going to be hunting for any sort of complaint about "their own" movie, let's wait and see when the JL will be firstly released and how will it be critically received. I'll patiently wait and see if all of that complaining and criticizing the critics for their good TR reception doesn't end up bitting them back...

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

They should pop out here and there from now on. It's just a matter of knowing if you want to be spoiled or not.

Can you be kind enough to post some spoilers if you see any?

Thanks.

 

[LoganPool]

There are pretty major spoilers in the IW section.

It's the same ones that are in the Thor Ragnarok Spoiler thread.

 

[HammerDown]

Can you be kind enough to post some spoilers if you see any?

Thanks.

I'll try and not post spoilers here in this thread as so other people shouldn't. This is a discussion/speculation thread so it would be great to keep things separate for everyone's sake. Having said that if i find something interesting i'll post it in the "Spoiler thread" but i won't be actively looking for heavy spoilers.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I'll try and not post spoilers here in this thread as so other people shouldn't. This is a discussion/speculation thread so it would be great to keep things separately for everyone's sake. Having said that if i find something interesting i'll post in the "Spoiler thread" but i won't be actively looking for heavy spoilers.

Yes I meant in the spoilers forum. Ok, no worries.

 

[HammerDown]

Forbes

Three Reasons 'Justice League' And 'Thor' Won't Cannibalize Each Other

Much of the hub-bub surrounding Justice League and Thor: Ragnarok is the mere fact that they are opening so close to each other. Yes, Batman v Superman opened six weeks before Captian America: Civil War (in North America), but that was plenty of time for the DC Films sequel to play itself out. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 opened a month before Wonder Woman which opened a month before Spider-Man: Homecoming just this summer, and all three of them had solid and leggy theatrical runs. Even Amazing Spider-Man 2 had three weeks to do its thing before X-Men: Days of Future Past rolled into town, and again that was more than enough time for the frontloaded sequel to play out.

But Justice League will be opening in North American theaters just two weeks into the domestic theatrical run of Thor: Ragnarok. The Marvel Cinematic Universe threequel opens on Nov. 3, while the DC Films threequel (the sequel to Man of Steel and Batman v Superman) drops on Nov. 17, or on Thor 3's 15th day of release (14th day if you count the sure-to-be-huge Thursday preview grosses). We haven't had a superhero showdown that close since X-Men: First Class opened on June 3 while Green Lantern opened June 17 in the summer of 2011.

And in that case, neither film went supernova, although the well-reviewed and well-liked Matthew Vaughn-directed Fox release earned $353 million worldwide on a $160m budget while Martin Campbell's critically-panned WB release earned $216m on a $200m+ budget. Does The Smurfs and Cowboys and Aliens opening one week after Captain America: The First Avenger count? Thor Ragnarok and Justice League might be leaving money on the table by opening so close together. I'm sure both parties would prefer to have more breathing room. But history shows that if both films are embraced by audiences they can both do big business.

1. Thor: Ragnarok opens even earlier overseas.

First, like pretty much every MCU movie since Iron Man 2 back in 2010, Thor will open overseas well ahead of its domestic debut. The Chris Hemsworth/Tom Hiddleston/Cate Blanchett/Tessa Thompson/Jeff Goldblum/Mark Ruffalo fantasy will debut starting Oct. 24 in the United Kingdom as it slowly rolls out in advance of its Nov. 3 domestic debut. Heck, North America is one of the last scheduled territories. Conversely, as has been the case for every recent DC Comics adaptation, Justice League opens around the world over the week of Nov. 17. That means that in many key territories, Thor: Ragnarok will have 3-4 weeks before the Super Friends lay the smackdown upon the Revengers.

2. There is a long history of big November kick-off releases and pre-Thanksgiving blockbusters thriving side-by-side.

2012 saw Wreck-It Ralph ($471 million worldwide), Skyfall ($1 billion worldwide) and The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn part II ($829m global) open within weeks of each other to blockbuster business. 2013's holiday season began in 2013 with Thor: The Dark World ($642m worldwide), followed by The Hunger Games: Catching Fire ($865m) and Frozen ($1b) all within the same month. Interstellar, Big Hero 6 and The Hunger Games: Mockingjay part I all did $600-$750m worldwide despite opening on top of each other, while Spectre snagged $880m worldwide right alongside Hunger Games: Mockingjay part II ($655m) in November of 2015. And last year saw Doctor Strange ($678m) go head-to-head with Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them ($814m), with best-case-scenario results for both.

If Skyfall can make $1 billion just before Breaking Dawn part II makes $829 million (in 2D), then I think the marketplace is big enough for both Thor: Ragnarok and Justice League. But this is a little different in that both November live-action biggies are comic book superhero movies, ensemble action fantasies where disparate super-powered folk come together to save the proverbial day. While I am presuming they are likely less similar than A Bad Moms Christmas and Daddy's Home 2, this isn't 007 versus Bella Swann. This is Batman, Wonder Woman and Superman versus Thor, Hulk and Loki. So yeah, Thor: Ragnarok and Justice League may be unusual in terms of being closer in genre and context than the big November kick-off movie and the big YA fantasy offering that has often dropped just before Thanksgiving weekend.

3. If Pixar and Illumination can thrive alongside each other, so too can Marvel and DC.

But, again, even if you look at both films are peas in the same pod, Pixar and Illumination have done pretty darn well right alongside each other. Right from the beginning, Illumination and Pixar and/or Walt Disney have been in a habit of releasing very big global and domestic hits right next to each other. Despicable Me came out three weeks after Toy Story 3 in 2010, while Despicable Me 2 opened three weeks after Monsters University in 2013. All four films did, I would argue, best-case-scenario box office. And in the summer of 2015, Pixar's Inside Out snagged $856 million worldwide right before Minions earned $1.1 billion global. Last summer saw The Secret Life of Pets earned $368m domestic right as Finding Dory was swimming to $486m domestic. And both Moana and Sing kicked butt at the close of 2016 right alongside Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.

And that's not even counting the handful of times when DreamWorks Animation and Pixar went somewhat head-to-head (Kung Fu Panda and Wall-E, Madagascar 3 and Brave, etc.) and both came out smelling like roses. Yes, I know that feature animation is not necessarily a genre, but just the same we're at a point where comic book superhero movies are at least trying to diversify themselves in terms of genre and content. American feature animation tends to target the same demographics, just as do most comic book superhero movies. So if Kung Fu Panda and Wall-E can thrive within weeks of each other, to say nothing of Minions and Inside Out, then I'm less concerned about a Marvel Cinematic Universe movie and a DC Films offering essentially opening on top of each other.

All of this is predicated on Justice League being relatively embraced by critics and/or audiences because at the end of the day that's what matters. If Zack Snyder and Joss Whedon's Justice League is aggressively lousy to the point where it flames out after opening weekend (or, perhaps after Thanksgiving weekend), that'll be on the movie itself and not its superheroic competition. But if Justice League works as a mass audience crowdpleaser, then it'll do just fine no matter how much thunder Taika Waititi's Thor: Ragnarok brings just two weeks earlier. If they are both good movies, then they will both be just fine.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/10/10/three-reasons-justice-league-and-thor-may-not-cannibalize-each-other/#41d55a1941be

 

[HammerDown]

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[Loden Greatstorm]

It's been confirmed that Miek wont talk in the movie, right?

 

[HammerDown]

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[Loden Greatstorm]

Tessa is so beautiful.

 

[RoastBeast]

Not to be "That Guy" but maybe those folks need to work out how to spell Ragnarok. 3 syllables, not too tough.

 

[Mjölnir]

Not to be "That Guy" but maybe those folks need to work out how to spell Ragnarok. 3 syllables, not too tough.

It is a very commonly misspelled word. I've seen quite a few Ragnorak on this board repeated several times by the same people.

 

[Finarfiniel]

Cinema Employee #1: Uhh, Dave? People are worshipping and dry humping the giant Cate Blanchett cutout again.
Cinema Employee #2: Damn it!

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I see a ton of DC fans on Twitter, Youtube... complaining of how much "Fun" Thor Ragnarok is. Most of them have either DC avatars, DC covers, DC interests... They just can't take it that a movie is getting praise for being a awesome fun time at the theatre. Even the critics and other people on Twitter that saw the movie and we're happy about it got **** and complaints from these same people.

It's embarrassing to be honest. They just can't take the good critic reception to TR because most likely is so close to JL release date and they have to try and make the point across that one movie is not good even though they haven't seen it and the critic response has been very good. I wonder what will happen to them when JL comes out, i wonder how will JL be received and the impact on them.

I am almost sure the same people isn't going to be hunting for any sort of complaint about "their own" movie, let's wait and see when the JL will be firstly released and how will it be critically received. I'll patiently wait and see if all of that complaining and criticizing the critics for their good TR reception doesn't end up bitting them back...

What a sad miserable existence...

 

[liveman789]

What a sad miserable existence...

Yeah. Almost every time I see comments like that on Facebook, Twitter, or Youtube, their default is something DC related. It's best not to take them seriously. It's some IMDB board level s***.

 

[liveman789]

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I love Ruffalo. He always seems like such a sweet dude.

 

[HammerDown]

What a sad miserable existence...

It's just sad. I'm sure all of that complaining and criticizing about the critics own opinion will end up backfiring when JL comes out. These people don't learn and in a way they will most likely get what's coming for them in the end of all of this when things are said and done.

I love Ruffalo. He always seems like such a sweet dude.

And they are all genuinely happy and excited which is great and fills me with joy too.

 

[liveman789]

It's just sad. I'm sure all of that complaining and criticizing about the critics own opinion will end up backfiring when JL comes out. These people don't learn and in a way they will most likely get what's coming for them in the end of all of this when things are said and done.

I won't lie, a small part of me was a little disappointed when the reactions reported this movie to be largely an action comedy. I was hoping for more stakes and drama as well (which is apparently in the film, upon hearing further reactions). But I love Taika's work. And HFTWP was mostly a comedy with bits of drama, and I loved that film.

They're probably saving a lot of the harder drama for Avengers 3 and 4. The Russos are very good at that, especially with a large number of characters. I just hope the Thor/Loki relationship comes full circle by the end of that in an impacting way.

 

[HammerDown]

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[HammerDown]

http://marvel.com/thor_ragnarok

 

[All-Father]

Yeah. Almost every time I see comments like that on Facebook, Twitter, or Youtube, their default is something DC related. It's best not to take them seriously. It's some IMDB board level s***.

And don't ever point to the (lack of) of quality of their movies or the crazy theories they create to justify the flaws; they'll pm you here.