Thor: Ragnarok The Official News and Speculation Thread - Part 4

[DavidHaller]

First Thor: Ragnarok synopsis released by Disney

unfortunately, this sounds like a fan fiction to me...They try to forcefully combine two storylines from the comic books as fanservice.

I'm very much looking forward to the Ragnarok aspect of the plot. But I do not care about this silly PLANET HULK aspect which will not capture anything which made the storyline so compelling in the comic books...

 

[Abudefduf]

Waititi reacts to this news:

Taika Waititi ‏@TaikaWaititi
Finally! I've been waiting to find out this information for ages.

This man, I swear.

How can anyone read this synopsis and not get hyped for the movie? It's pure comic book craziness. It sure sounds more exciting than "Spider-Man takes on the Vulture".

 

[scarlet-witch]

I can't wait! I like the new photo too, because arms...

 

[HammerDown]

So Hela/Loki imprisons Thor in Skaar. I'm guessing they somehow find a way of separating him from the hammer... mjolnir either gets destroyed (unlikely), or damaged, or somehow Thor becomes unworthy. So after he fights in the gladiatorial arena and finally faces Hulk, they probably escape together and "get back to Asgard to stop Ragnarok". In Asgard they will face Hela, Skurge, Surtur and Fenris...

* Thor without his hammer doesn't put me off that much because i'm 100% sure he gets it back by the end in some epic form to finally put an end to Ragnarok. It will be awesome to see Thor battle with other weapons and see how badass he really is without mjolnir.

One thing that is very interesting too is how Thor will be able to face Hulk but without his hammer. We already had a glimpse of that in Avengers and it went one way, how it was suppose to be... Thor can tank hits from the Hulk and just that shows how strong he really is, but without mjolnir he ends up being a easy target. Interested to see how they make this fight awesome and compelling.

Everything that comes out for Thor Ragnarok just makes this movie sounds better. The hype is alive!

 

[Dark Raven]

I thought Skurge was going to be in the arena too. I don't want Thor and Hulk to just be fighting each other. They should face off against at least few opponents.

What if Hela is combined with Enchantress? Maybe she assumes a different form who deceives Thor into sleeping with her. Then she reveals her true form. The act of mating with Hela makes Thor unworthy and he loses the ability to wield the hammer.

But doesn't Odin have the authority to say who is worthy or unworthy to wield it? So couldn't Loki (in disguise as Odin) simply deem Thor unworthy and he would lose the right to wield it?

 

[AlluAllu]

What if Hela is combined with Enchantress? Maybe she assumes a different form who deceives Thor into sleeping with her. Then she reveals her true form. The act of mating with Hela makes Thor unworthy and he loses the ability to wield the hammer.

But doesn't Odin have the authority to say who is worthy or unworthy to wield it? So couldn't Loki (in disguise as Odin) simply deem Thor unworthy and he would lose the right to wield it?

I doubt that Disney would make a movie where a woman tricks her uncle to sleep with her.

Loki may currently look like Odin but he probably doesn't wield odinforce.

 

[Finarfiniel]

I thought Skurge was going to be in the arena too. I don't want Thor and Hulk to just be fighting each other. They should face off against at least few opponents.

Karl Urban said in an interview that a lot of his scenes are with Cate Blanchett so that indicates that Skurge will be Hela's devoted lackey, like he is to Amora in the comics. He's probably just traded out his subservience to one green outfitted villainess for another. t:

What if Hela is combined with Enchantress? Maybe she assumes a different form who deceives Thor into sleeping with her. Then she reveals her true form. The act of mating with Hela makes Thor unworthy and he loses the ability to wield the hammer.

But doesn't Odin have the authority to say who is worthy or unworthy to wield it? So couldn't Loki (in disguise as Odin) simply deem Thor unworthy and he would lose the right to wield it?

I can definitely see Hela taking on some of Amora's characteristics (like Skurge being her besotted muscle as mentioned above), but like AlluAllu said, I highly doubt Marvel/Disney would have Thor becoming unworthy by sleeping with the evil villainess in their family friendly movie. t: I don't think Thor will be deemed unworthy in Ragnarok, I simply think Hela will find a way of separating him from Mjolnir. Maybe she casts a powerful spell around Mjolnir to temporarily de-power it or something like that.

Spoiler

As an interesting side-note, Thor actually did sleep with Hela in the ultimate universe (where Hela isn't Loki's daughter), to save Valkyrie. They ended up having a son together (Modi) who turned evil and served Hydra so Thor had to kill him and Hela threw the mother of all hissy fits. t:

 

[Dark Raven]

Are we sure Hela is Loki's niece in the MCU? Cate Blanchett is older than Tom Hiddleston, and if anything, looks more like his aunt.

Anyway, I don't know if sleeping with Hela would hinder Thor's ability to lift his hammer.

 

[Abudefduf]

Well incest or not, Thor being raped and then punished for it is very high on the list of Things I'd Rather Never See in a Thor Movie.

 

[Finarfiniel]

Are we sure Hela is Loki's niece in the MCU? Cate Blanchett is older than Tom Hiddleston, and if anything, looks more like his aunt.

Hela is actually Loki's daughter in the original mythology, not his niece. In the comics it's a little (or a lot) more complex. She was originally his daughter but then her back story was re-written by Kieron Gillan. Loki didn't father her in the traditional sense, Kid Loki 'created' her by somehow writing her into existence as his 'ideal friend' Leah, but then he somehow got fully grown Hela to send Leah far back in time to save her from his evil side (King Loki) and that Leah grew up to become Hela. It's massively confusing, and I highly doubt any of it will end up in the MCU. Loki and Hela basically have a really long and weird relationship (which I love) in the comics, I really hope they find some way of representing and honoring that in the MCU without the hugely complex back story.

Well incest or not, Thor being raped and then punished for it is very high on the list of Things I'd Rather Never See in a Thor Movie.

A lot of the Ultimate Marvel storylines are really f-ed up and should never end up in any MCU movie tbh.

 

[Dark Raven]

Hela is actually Loki's daughter in the original mythology, not his niece. In the comics it's a little (or a lot) more complex. She was originally his daughter but then her back story was re-written by Kieron Gillan. Loki didn't father her in the traditional sense, Kid Loki 'created' her by somehow writing her into existence as his 'ideal friend' Leah, but then he somehow got fully grown Hela to send Leah far back in time to save her from his evil side (King Loki) and that Leah grew up to become Hela. It's massively confusing, and I highly doubt any of it will end up in the MCU. Loki and Hela basically have a really long and weird relationship (which I love) in the comics, I really hope they find some way of representing and honoring that in the MCU without the hugely complex back story.



A lot of the Ultimate Marvel storylines are really f-ed up and should never end up in any MCU movie tbh.

Sorry, I meant Thor's niece, Loki's daughter. Cate looks old enough to be Hemsworth's aunt and Hiddleston's mother.

 

[HammerDown]

Update!

Behind the scenes footage, news, casting, cameos, leaked photos... Connecting dots accordingly to what has been shown.
Pretty much all the information i could gather. Enjoy but beware so you wont be spoiled with some of the details. I'll keep on adding more information as i encounter it and also keep it underlined so people can see what was added.

Spoiler

TYPE OF MOVIE
- Cosmic road trip and adventure elements. Space ships flying through space...
- Ragnarok and Planet Hulk storylines forged into one movie.
- "Jack Kirby was a big influence in the design of the film."
- Villains side: Loki Hela, Skurge, Grandmaster, Surtur, Fenris Wolf, "Thanos"...
- Heroes side: Thor, Hulk, Valkyrie, Odin, The Warriors Three, Heimdall, Doctor Strange...
Oficial Synopsis: Thor is imprisoned on the other side of the universe without his mighty hammer and finds himself in a race against time to get back to Asgard to stop Ragnarok — the destruction of his homeworld and the end of Asgardian civilization — at the hands of an all-powerful new threat, the ruthless Hela. But first he must survive a deadly gladiatorial contest that pits him against his former ally and fellow Avenger — the Incredible Hulk!

EARTH
- Thor and Loki on Earth together.
- Casual dressed Thor and Loki.
- Thor takes selfies with 2 young women.
- One of them recognizes Loki.
- Loki's attention is diverted to something he sees in the sky above him.
- Thor is in front of the rubble of a collapsed builiding called "Shady Acres Aged Care Home".
- Thor finds the adress of Doctor Strange in a piece of paper on the ground.
- Funny scene with Thor and Loki being led to a bathroom in a construction site.
- Thor asks Doctor Strange for help in locating Odin.
- Doctor Strange agrees as long as the 3 be on their way.
- Thor and Loki see/find Odin in a alley.
- Homeless Odin.
- Stunts rehearsed in a alley. People being projected in the air.
- Hodded figure seen on set thought to be Hela. Cate Blanchett double.
- Odin, Thor and the mysterious hodded figure have a seen together.

SAKAAR
- "Insane and futuristic place".
- Sakaaran citizens.
- The Grandmaster sitting in the arena.
- The Grandmaster and Loki watching Thor vs Hulk.
- Thor with gladiatorial armour and long hair.
- Thor with short hair and red war paint.
- Thor with a metal "winged" helmet.
- Thor with 2 swords, one in each hand.
- Odin "formally" dressed. Not in armour but only in gold/orange royal clothes.
- Loki dressed up with his usual green clothes but slitghly different.
- Hulk and Thor running at each other in a gladiator arena.
- Hulk armour includes a "roman style helmet with red feathers", a metal shoulder pad, an axe, a hammer and a spiked metal "arm amour".
- Kronan referenced.
- Miek referenced.
- Thor and Valkyrie together seem to arrive in a spaceship.
- Scrapyard with several characters known as "scrappers" which are armed.
- Thor dressed up in his more normal looking armour.
- Valkyrie with armour, blue cape, white war paint in the face and sword.
- Thor and Valkyrie capes are both only over their left shoulders.
- Apparent battle takes place. A lot of debri on the ground of the scrapyard.
- Another big set with very colorful buildings, roads and alleys right next to what seems to be a orange circular entrance with a lot of spikes. Maybe the arena entrance.

ASGARD
- Hela arriving on the rainbow bridge and being greeted by asgardians warriors and asgardian spaceships.
- Hela doing stunts on the steps. Jumping and spinning in the air projecting herself down the steps.
- Hela on the steps with Skurge and in front of a crowd of civilian asgardians.
- Shaved head Skurge with armour and axe.
- Hela with the giant headpiece, green suit and green cape.
- Banner and Hulk are both outside. Banner is laying on the ground.
- Yellow, orange and black striped spaceship on the ground.

EXTRA INFORMATION
- Giant 20 feet wolf. "Fenris Wolf?".
- The Grandmaster "space ship".
- Giant fire demon face fills the entire frame while Hulk flies fists first against it. "Surtur?".
- Quinjet that Hulk used on earth appeared on set.
- Skurge goes on a "journey arc" and ends up in a different place than theone he started. "Skurge's last Stand?"
- Mask used by Taika while on set looking alot like a Celestial. Ziran the Tester.
- Cast includes a character called "Warden". In Marvel comics there is a "Warden" of the "Cube". A super-villain "rehabilitation facility".
- Sam Neill did a few days on set. Undisclosed role.

 

[MbJ]

But doesn't Odin have the authority to say who is worthy or unworthy to wield it? So couldn't Loki (in disguise as Odin) simply deem Thor unworthy and he would lose the right to wield it?

Nothing in the synopsis says he's unworthy. It says he's separated from his hammer. That'd be consistent with the rumor that Hela destroys Mjonir in the first act.

 

[Dr. Evil]

So there's going to be Part Two of Team Thor that will appear on the DVD/Blu Ray release of Dr. Strange.

 

[AlluAllu]

Are we sure Hela is Loki's niece in the MCU? Cate Blanchett is older than Tom Hiddleston, and if anything, looks more like his aunt.

Good point. I wish that they will retain that from comics and mythology. Perhaps the age could be explained in Hela's backstory. Maybe Hela's mother is mortal and as the result Hela is somewhere in the middle when it comes to aging.

 

[DalekbusterFitz]

So Hela/Loki imprisons Thor in Skaar. I'm guessing they somehow find a way of separating him from the hammer... mjolnir either gets destroyed (unlikely), or damaged, or somehow Thor becomes unworthy. So after he fights in the gladiatorial arena and finally faces Hulk, they probably escape together and "get back to Asgard to stop Ragnarok". In Asgard they will face Hela, Skurge, Surtur and Fenris...

* Thor without his hammer doesn't put me off that much because i'm 100% sure he gets it back by the end in some epic form to finally put an end to Ragnarok. It will be awesome to see Thor battle with other weapons and see how badass he really is without mjolnir.

One thing that is very interesting too is how Thor will be able to face Hulk but without his hammer. We already had a glimpse of that in Avengers and it went one way, how it was suppose to be... Thor can tank hits from the Hulk and just that shows how strong he really is, but without mjolnir he ends up being a easy target. Interested to see how they make this fight awesome and compelling.

Everything that comes out for Thor Ragnarok just makes this movie sounds better. The hype is alive!

It's always fun when they strip heroes of their powers because it adds an air of unpredictability to proceedings. It's why stories where Superman is drained of his powers via kryptonite are interesting: you genuinely don't know how the heroes will prevail, even though you know that somehow they will.

 

[Finarfiniel]

So there's going to be Part Two of Team Thor that will appear on the DVD/Blu Ray release of Dr. Strange.

Yes! Team Thor for life, I can't wait to see Darryl again. t: Thor clearly needs him in order to stay in contact with Stark and Rogers via those handy electronic letters. Ravens take too long.

I think it would be great if Rene Russo had a surprise little cameo in Ragnarok. With Hela's ability to create illusions she could make herself appear as Frigga briefly to really screw with Thor and Loki's heads, that would be interesting.

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe she'll appear as Jane Foster.

 

[HKpowerup]

Honestly this may just be my most anticipated superhero movie of 2017, as the idea of Thor and Hulk travelling through the realms together is fascinating.

I really hope we see Hulk join Loki, Thor and Odin at the end and combat Surtur together with them!

 

[HunBoy]

Hype!

 

[jaqua99]

We'll see. Still hoping the Planet Hulk crap doesn't take too much time.

I'm cool with mjolnir being destroyed. How does it get fixed for the finale though?

Perhaps it's just taken away from Thor

 

[Dark Raven]

Will Thor feel like less of a man with his hammer destroyed? Or will this movie show that it's not the hammer that makes the man but the man that makes the hammer?

 

[Vartha]

We'll see. Still hoping the Planet Hulk crap doesn't take too much time.

I'm cool with mjolnir being destroyed. How does it get fixed for the finale though?

Perhaps it's just taken away from Thor

I'm thinking Mjolnir is held from Thor. Even so, Doc Strange HAS mended Mjolnir in the comics. I can see Strange appearing a couple time, just not the entire time WITH Thor and Hulk

 

[AlluAllu]

I understand that it isn't at all likely, but I would like to see Mjolnir destroyed permamently. MCU has advantage over 616 comics in that mcu doesn't need to uphold status quo. The actors age and so do the characters (for the most part). We may not see Thor again after Avengers 4. Imo it would be very cool if something important like this would change.

 

[Dark Raven]

What if Thor loses his hammer, wears a different type of helmet, ditches his cape and Asgardian uniform and takes up formula one racing instead? This would be very cool for such an important change since there's no need to maintain the status quo. He could race against Baron Zemo.