Thoughts on Evolution?

What are your thoughts on Evolutions

  • I believe in Evolution.

  • I am favor of evolution but I think other theories should be taught.

  • Other

  • I dont believe in Evolution

  • Creationism/Intelligent Design


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So God is the de facto standard simply because we don't have a better answer?
Seems like a weak line of logic honestly.

Especially if you reduce it to God as we "know" Him.
 
The Universe is so big. So many things we don't know about. I don't think their is a god. At least in the classical sense, maybe a star is god, maybe mars is god, maybe fairy's are god. We don't know, I don't think it's right to a cap of what a god is sense we don't know. God could be anything. Hell God could be god and just be a systems of gods. All this could be possible and that's just the wonders of the universe we live in.
 
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I love when ever I debate this topic with my deeply spiritual friend, she always says the monkey thing. Like why are monkeys still here and stuff...

To illustrate the fallacy to her, ask what her ethnic ancestry is. If she says (for example) “Irish,” ask her why there are still Irish people in Ireland.

:cwink:
 
Just that when science goes "Um, we're not sure" in regards to why the Big Bang happened, that's where God comes in.

Actually… if the answer isn’t (yet) known, then it’s perfectly fine to say “um, we’re not sure.” Positing god as an “answer” rather suggests that we are sure. It's one or the other.
 
Evolution 100%. There's a reason it's not called Evolution Theory, it's a fact, you can see it happening all over the world. In Elephants for example. Because of how many Bulls are killed for their Ivory, the Cows have been avoiding mating with the tusked elephants as it will lead to the death of their young. Right now, tuskless Elephants are the fittest and that is why they are surviving. "Survival of the fittest".
 
So much to address...

Just a few thoughts before my re-ban. :)

Can I get your thougts on my post?

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I believe evolution was created.


Is there a better way to design a system, then to make it so that it can adapt to its environment? If you're going to give your creation free will, it needs to be able to adapt and evolve, so it can deal with the situations it chooses to put itself in.
 
So God is the de facto standard simply because we don't have a better answer?
Seems like a weak line of logic honestly.

Especially if you reduce it to God as we "know" Him.

Actually… if the answer isn’t (yet) known, then it’s perfectly fine to say “um, we’re not sure.” Positing god as an “answer” rather suggests that we are sure. It's one or the other.

Oh no, I don't throw God in there just to fill in the blanks. It's just a fusion of the 2 theories which I happen to believe in. As a scientist myself, I've got no problem leaving certain mysteries at "We just don't know". I'd never claim to be sure of any of this or say that I "know" that's how it went down. Most I can do is guess and believe.
 
Because he felt like it? Idk.

I believe everything about evolution. Just that when science goes "Um, we're not sure" in regards to why the Big Bang happened, that's where God comes in.
There was something before the Big Bang. Big Bang wasn't the start for ALL.
 
It's a little astonishing to me that people even have to say "I believe in evolution". It's like saying "I believe in gravity".
 
...implying that the existence of God is merely to be accepted rather than thought through critically? That's a mistake.

Just accepting God's existence isn't what I'm advocating at all. There just comes a point where people start questioning things He did with "Well why did He do that?". Nobody has an answer for that b/c nobody's spoken to Him. And any believer, priest, etc who offers up an explanation as to why God ever did anything is making it up.


Don't make the mistake of confusing religion with creationism: creationism ("intelligent design") proposes that all forms of life were created in their current state. Creationism leaves no room for evolutionary theory.

In this case, I'm def guilty of confusing the two terms. Based on that definition, I completely disagree with Creationism

A literalist interpretation of the Bible is wholly incompatible with evolutionary theory.

That does not mean, however, that religion and evolutionary theory are wholly incompatible. It's important to make that distinction.

I agree with that. I also think literally interpreting the Bible leads to a world of other problems as well. Not something I recommend anybody do. I'm unsure what to call what I believe in I guess. It's less religion as it is divinely inspired evolution.

A couple hundred years ago, we thought that disease was spiritual/supernatural in nature. Demonic possession was a popular diagnosis. Thanks to the scientific method and Germ Theory, modern medicine was made possible.

Often times in human history we attribute natural phenomena we are unable to explain to supernatural/spiritual causes, particularly where God is concerned. This is called "The God of the Gaps."

The spark that started the cosmos is about the only thing I attribute to God physically doing with His own hands. I don't think He sat down and thought up lizards, mustard, and pencils. He got the ball rolling and nature took it from there. I think this "God of Gaps" is erroneous as well.

Sometimes it is harmless. Other times (as with the example of associating illness with supernatural causes), it can cause harm. What's worse is that when we start attributing supernatural causes to natural phenomena, we often create an intellectual barrier that prevents us from seeking further answers. If our answer is simply left at, "God did it," what use is there in continuing investigation?

Sometimes it has taken decades (even centuries) to overcome the barriers brought on by this sort of thinking.

Again, we are in agreement. Thought I don't think "God did it" needs to bring the investigation to a halt. Even if you say God caused the Big Bang, we made the Collider to recreate the smashing of protons together to see exactly what happened. It's when people start wondering why God did it, that we come to a stalemate.

Actually, the burden of proof is on the party making the positive claim, and for good reason. It's virtually impossible to prove that something doesn't exist (God, the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, etc.). Methinks you either misunderstand that phrase or are misapplying it.

People who claim to be 100% positive that God exists and did certain things should be put on the spot and asked for proof. I'm not one of those people. I "believe" in God and will admit to not having proof till I'm blue in the face. What I'm saying is that I don't feel the need to prove it to anybody, hence it not being a burden.
 
Excuse the wall of text(I rarely do it), I've just never had this debate with people who weren't insulting or hostile about it. A welcome change :up:

There was something before the Big Bang. Big Bang wasn't the start for ALL.

Are you referring to what existed before the universe? If so, I'm gonna need a drink before we have that conversation :p
 
I believe in both evolution and that there is a Creator of the Universe and everything in it.
 
I say that evolution be taught in public school biology classes and creationism taught in Sunday school/private religious schools. Creationism shouldnt be taught in a biology classroom, because it isnt a science. Evolution should not be taught in Sunday school because it isnt based in theology. If parents want to expose their children to religious beliefs, they should have that right but should do it in their own homes. Ditto for parents that believe in evolution. The home is really where kids make up their minds about the world anyway. I think parents have a greater effect on kids than teachers.
 
God -> Big Bang -> Dinosaurs -> Cavemen -> Modern Humans

My honest opinion on how things went down. Everybody(science + religion) is included, it makes sense, we all win :up:

Exact same way I feel. I am a theist but I wholly believe in Evolution.

Just look at our wisdom teeth. A thousand years ago we needed them because we had to chew harder, raw foods. Now we don't them because we eat processed soft food. That is evolution. Same thing for our pancreas. Same thing for what is left of our nictitating membrane in the corners of our eyes. Evolution.
 
As a major area of scientific theory it should be taught in science classes.

I have no problem with other scientific theories on the matter of the origin of species being taught in a science class.

Science classes are the context in which scientific theories and principles are taught

However, regardless of their religious background, people should be able to understand that "intelligent design" is not a scientific theory and therefore has no place. I have no problem with it being taught in other settings, just simply not in a science class.
 
Exact same way I feel. I am a theist but I wholly believe in Evolution.

Just look at our wisdom teeth. A thousand years ago we needed them because we had to chew harder, raw foods. Now we don't them because we eat processed soft food. That is evolution. Same thing for our pancreas. Same thing for what is left of our nictitating membrane in the corners of our eyes. Evolution.


You're thinking of the appendix. Each of us still very much needs a properly function pancreas, just ask anyone with diabetes.
 
At some point, if human are physically evolving, an individual(s) would be born with a genetic difference than the rest.

Yes. But as technical clarification, individuals don't evolve. Evolution occurs at the species level over generations.
 
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