TIH Sequel changes?

[Gamma Goliath]

Its gone nowhere since the day it was brought up.

 

[El Payaso]

In TIH, Hulk threw the sheet of metal at the helicopter and it hit the rotor blades which made the helicopter lose control, crash to the ground, the pilot ejected his seat and no one died.

I like your way.

Well, I posted ages ago that I was completely ready and willing to admit my mistake in that scene.

Now, if anyone saw that Hulk didn't kick Blonsky and/or that he ejected himself out of his own body before being kicked...

^ it didn't went right into the middle of the 'copter..? Just asking -- not trying to get into the fighting

TOO LATE!

i think you're assigning the hulk way too much self awareness, especially as his rage grows

I'm assigning Hulk an essential characteristic that has been with him in comics and movies, previous to Leterrier's TIH.

I'm going to do my best to refrain from any further comments about this "intentionally killing Hulk." This is going nowhere.

Its gone nowhere since the day it was brought up.

Makes you wonder why do I keep replying if I myself think it's going nowhere, right?... t:

 

[[A]]

So.. how much? I mean, the death toll..? For the Hulk, in TIH..?

 

[Cracker Jack]

Hmm I wonder what Doc Samson thinks of this..

HAHAHHAAHHAHA Good one.

What have we learned here,

A) The Hulk in Ang's movie had better aim than the one in Frency's This is obvious because the Hulk in Frency's moive was aiming at the body of the helio (how we know this I don't know) and missed hitting the blades. Bad aim Hulk, bad aim.

B) Ang's Hulk knew that his actions, while on the rampage, could kill someone so he was extra carefull.

C) The Hulk in Frenchy's movie was trying to kill everyone and eventhough he was on a rampage he knew what he was doing every second.

D) The Hulk in Frenchy's movie could kill Chuck Norris.

E) Ang's Hulk beat the living hell out of Talbot, kicking him and a couch threw a wall kicking him into the street and then tossing him like a rag doll against another guy. But he wasn't trying to kill him. Just ruff him up a bit.

F) in Frency's movie when the Hulk fights back, he's trying to kill. It's obvious. However, The Hulk in Ang's movie clearly was only trying to......................ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...................trying to............................ I don't know cause pain?

 

[Ipodman]

I'll be happy enough if Hulk cameos in Iron Man 2... and then appear again in Avengers. More effective than TIH2 this way...

 

[Grommers]

The hulk never attacked a human until they attacked him, he was merely trying to defend himself, he knew he wouldnt kill blonsky with his kick, just break every bone in his body.

As for the helicopter, he was protecting Betty, yes the hulk is big and green and could of covered her with his body, but all it takes is one loose piece of shrapnel to kill someone. He did the smart decision, and removed any chance of anything happen.

 

[El Payaso]

HAHAHHAAHHAHA Good one.

What have we learned here,

A) The Hulk in Ang's movie had better aim than the one in Frency's This is obvious because the Hulk in Frency's moive was aiming at the body of the helio (how we know this I don't know) and missed hitting the blades. Bad aim Hulk, bad aim.

B) Ang's Hulk knew that his actions, while on the rampage, could kill someone so he was extra carefull.

C) The Hulk in Frenchy's movie was trying to kill everyone and eventhough he was on a rampage he knew what he was doing every second.

D) The Hulk in Frenchy's movie could kill Chuck Norris.

E) Ang's Hulk beat the living hell out of Talbot, kicking him and a couch threw a wall kicking him into the street and then tossing him like a rag doll against another guy. But he wasn't trying to kill him. Just ruff him up a bit.

F) in Frency's movie when the Hulk fights back, he's trying to kill. It's obvious. However, The Hulk in Ang's movie clearly was only trying to......................ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...................trying to............................ I don't know cause pain?

Finally you got things right.

I'll be happy enough if Hulk cameos in Iron Man 2... and then appear again in Avengers. More effective than TIH2 this way...

I find this (the point not the post) utterly sad. Hulk reduced to cameos instead of having a proper sequel?

The hulk never attacked a human until they attacked him, he was merely trying to defend himself, he knew he wouldnt kill blonsky with his kick, just break every bone in his body.

Blonsky survived merely because he got the super-soldier serum before, which Hulk completely ignored. That's like shooting at someone ignoring he has a bulletproof vest.

As for the helicopter, he was protecting Betty, yes the hulk is big and green and could of covered her with his body, but all it takes is one loose piece of shrapnel to kill someone. He did the smart decision, and removed any chance of anything happen.

Yeah, one loose piece of shrapnel could have killed Betty, so Hulk did the smart decision by having a helicopter exploding all around her. That's far safer than that damn one loose piece of shrapnel.

 

[WeaponXProject]

A viewer.]

No different than me and that's the point. And as a viewer when i watched the movie last night he protected himself and yes after the gun shoot out on the school campus he had breaks in his skin from the weapons and winced repeatedly when fired upon. He had a cut under his left eye as Bruce Banner and a mark on his forehead. Not to mention his whole body was weak the next day when he and Betty awoke in the cave/cliff. You say guns and explosions don't hurt him but he hits his head in the cave scene and holds it wincing. He feels pain. And defends against. He doesn't bludgeon for no reason. He is always forced to.

SELF DEFENSE! It's not as big of a deal to me knowing that people died and the Hulk killed. In cinema there are aspects that must change and having a giant green beast fight helicopters and humvees that shoot at him it would be strange for no one to die in all the conflict of explosive weaponry with people at the helm. "But in the comics..." Yeah, I know. But this is cinema.

The Army has a long tradition shooting at the Hulk, they keep hitting him and he keeps not dying. Two plus two.

Long COMIC BOOK history, aren't we talking about a particular movie. Not much movie history. Actually just a brief explanation in the opening credits of what went down. Long tradition, bad example.

The ARMY hadn't found him since the initial incident when he first Hulked out. This is a creature they didn't fully understand so how would they know. They hadn't studied his DNA, what analysis could be made that their guns didn't hurt him, which they did in the campus scene? Your 2 + 2 is all on comic facts but not on reasoning in the film. You have to seperate the film from the comics or their will always be major discrepencies that annoy you. Why would Ross have them switch to "live rounds" in the scene in the drink factory if they weren't trying to hurt him.



Long tradition? Nope, doesn't the movie take place 6 months after the original incident and he leaving the hospital where Betty laid bed stricken. Ross even says the ARMY hasn't had sight of him for 5 months when talking to Ross and the round table of people who are trying to figure out how to find Betty and Bruce when they are on the road by tracing their phone calls, credit cards, etc...

Hulk doesn’t kill. That’s the point. Plain and simple.

He does in this movie and would, like most people, if threatened for their lives especially when in an uncontrollable rage. You live in the comic book world. If you want a close to literal translation of the character your gonna need Zach Snyder to do it. And he is flawed to. Now Hulk kills...if that ruins it for you then next time you see material changed into film understand the word ADAPTATION.

Their purpose has nothing to do with Hulk’s behaviour in regards to what the Hulk has traditionally been; not a killer no matter how he is pushed. That’s why he’s our hero.

That's not why he's my hero. Hulk's a hero for more reasons than yours. Once Bruce Banner understands he can use the burden he has of being part beast to help the ones he loves against evil forces he can be more acceptable of his powers. Same reasons the mutant youth come to understand how to use their powers for good in X-Men. Is it a burden or a gift? Depends on how you use it.

As long as you’re the Hulk and fight back is not killing.

If he didn't fight back the movie would have been boring. Simply boring. Like I said, for no one to die in all that carnage would be very unrealistic. If you want them to tone down the action maybe their will be less death but that would be a boring movie.

You refuse to understand that Hulk doesn’t kill, even when he's angry

Hulk kills in TIH, Hulk doesn't kill in the comics. It's up to you to decide whether or not that's acceptful on film but once again you can not expect everything to be literally translated. If you do you are always going to be disappointed.

As much as not killing.

I am not. I don’t argue against him destroying everything before him. But he has never killed humans before no matter of he's in pain or whatever, and that’s an essential part of what he is.

What he is a giant raging beast with sides of him he cannot control and he even says that he cannot remember things after he is the Hulk. What he is to you is the comic book tradition which is different than what he is in this movie.

Look, I'm obviously a Wolverine fan but I wouldn't think that they would do a literal translation of who he is on film and there hasn't been. I accept that. I seperate the two. I'm sorry you can't.

 

[El Payaso]

No different than me and that's the point. And as a viewer when i watched the movie last night he protected himself and yes after the gun shoot out on the school campus he had breaks in his skin from the weapons and winced repeatedly when fired upon. He had a cut under his left eye as Bruce Banner and a mark on his forehead. Not to mention his whole body was weak the next day when he and Betty awoke in the cave/cliff. You say guns and explosions don't hurt him but he hits his head in the cave scene and holds it wincing. He feels pain. And defends against. He doesn't bludgeon for no reason. He is always forced to.

SELF DEFENSE! It's not as big of a deal to me knowing that people died and the Hulk killed. In cinema there are aspects that must change and having a giant green beast fight helicopters and humvees that shoot at him it would be strange for no one to die in all the conflict of explosive weaponry with people at the helm. "But in the comics..." Yeah, I know. But this is cinema.




Long COMIC BOOK history, aren't we talking about a particular movie. Not much movie history. Actually just a brief explanation in the opening credits of what went down. Long tradition, bad example.

The ARMY hadn't found him since the initial incident when he first Hulked out. This is a creature they didn't fully understand so how would they know. They hadn't studied his DNA, what analysis could be made that their guns didn't hurt him, which they did in the campus scene? Your 2 + 2 is all on comic facts but not on reasoning in the film. You have to seperate the film from the comics or their will always be major discrepencies that annoy you. Why would Ross have them switch to "live rounds" in the scene in the drink factory if they weren't trying to hurt him.



Long tradition? Nope, doesn't the movie take place 6 months after the original incident and he leaving the hospital where Betty laid bed stricken. Ross even says the ARMY hasn't had sight of him for 5 months when talking to Ross and the round table of people who are trying to figure out how to find Betty and Bruce when they are on the road by tracing their phone calls, credit cards, etc...



He does in this movie and would, like most people, if threatened for their lives especially when in an uncontrollable rage. You live in the comic book world. If you want a close to literal translation of the character your gonna need Zach Snyder to do it. And he is flawed to. Now Hulk kills...if that ruins it for you then next time you see material changed into film understand the word ADAPTATION.




That's not why he's my hero. Hulk's a hero for more reasons than yours. Once Bruce Banner understands he can use the burden he has of being part beast to help the ones he loves against evil forces he can be more acceptable of his powers. Same reasons the mutant youth come to understand how to use their powers for good in X-Men. Is it a burden or a gift? Depends on how you use it.






If he didn't fight back the movie would have been boring. Simply boring. Like I said, for no one to die in all that carnage would be very unrealistic. If you want them to tone down the action maybe their will be less death but that would be a boring movie.





Hulk kills in TIH, Hulk doesn't kill in the comics. It's up to you to decide whether or not that's acceptful on film but once again you can not expect everything to be literally translated. If you do you are always going to be disappointed.









What he is a giant raging beast with sides of him he cannot control and he even says that he cannot remember things after he is the Hulk. What he is to you is the comic book tradition which is different than what he is in this movie.

Look, I'm obviously a Wolverine fan but I wouldn't think that they would do a literal translation of who he is on film and there hasn't been. I accept that. I seperate the two. I'm sorry you can't.

Well, if we start from that point (in bold), we can start to agreee on something.

Well, yes. It’s a difference and I have always said that there’s no superhero movie without differences. It’s the nature of it more than the difference itself. If Hulk kills soldiers then he’s that dangerous beast the Army says he is. And then the whole vision of the misunderstood raging but heroic monster is gone. The Army is entitled to chase him as much as they can; he IS the dangerous killing creature they say and thus they must stop him from killing someone else. In comics and other incarnations, he is said to be a public dange but we (the audience) knew that even when he was dangerous when provoked, he was unable to kill humans.

Blonsky was supposed to mean a threat to Hulk and thus he kicked him. Let’s say some delusional guy plants himself in front of Hulk throwing stuff at him and shouting. Then Hulk might kick him again and I’m sure he won’t have a shot of super soldier serum.

I that sense, I prefer every o9ther incarnation when Hulk destroys, smashes but doesn’t kill.

And thus, why I said that’s the thing I wanted to be changed for a sequel (if that sequel is ever made).

 

[WeaponXProject]

Well, if we start from that point (in bold), we can start to agreee on something.

Well, yes. It’s a difference and I have always said that there’s no superhero movie without differences. It’s the nature of it more than the difference itself. If Hulk kills soldiers then he’s that dangerous beast the Army says he is. And then the whole vision of the misunderstood raging but heroic monster is gone. The Army is entitled to chase him as much as they can; he IS the dangerous killing creature they say and thus they must stop him from killing someone else. In comics and other incarnations, he is said to be a public dange but we (the audience) knew that even when he was dangerous when provoked, he was unable to kill humans.

Blonsky was supposed to mean a threat to Hulk and thus he kicked him. Let’s say some delusional guy plants himself in front of Hulk throwing stuff at him and shouting. Then Hulk might kick him again and I’m sure he won’t have a shot of super soldier serum.

I that sense, I prefer every o9ther incarnation when Hulk destroys, smashes but doesn’t kill.

And thus, why I said that’s the thing I wanted to be changed for a sequel (if that sequel is ever made).

Now we seem to agree but when it came to Blonsky he continued to fire at him and test Hulk then when he ran out he dared him and said, "Is that it? Is that all you got?" Not only did Blonsky shoot him in the face and show that he had the ability to dodge and seem strong from the serum but he begged for Hulk to fight him. Whether in the comics it is right or wrong...Hulk decided to show his fury. I wouldn't test the beast.

I agree if a sequel were made that it would be important to show him gaining control. We have both stated that in this thread. I believe that was the obvious plan with the end. He can seem to have some control and he likes having it now.

It is true that he doesn't want to kill but when forced to, when he feels trapped I could understand that he would have to. He is more of a mindless beast in this movie in scenes than in other tv/film instances.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Not only did Blonsky shoot him in the face and show that he had the ability to dodge and seem strong from the serum but he begged for Hulk to fight him.

He was also shooting at Hulk previously in the bottling plant.

 

[JoshTCraig]

I agree with the glowing eyes. It made Hulk seem fake in some scenes. I also think it would be better if Norton used contact lenses for the eyes rather than CGI. That would make it look more scary and real.

EDIT: I posted these in an older thread about my ideas for sequel...

I would make the sequel darker. I want the main theme of the film to be "control", both Banner and Hulk fighting for it. Banner realises that his problem has become worse because minor things that make Banner angry make him transform. Hulk is in Banner's head, waiting to grab on the little things that make Banner tick so he can get rid of Banner for a period.

Have more "Hulk hates Banner" and "Banner hates Hulk".

Show more of Banner's multiple personality disorder. This can be perfectly shown with a scene of Banner going to Samson for help and Samson kind of puts Banner into some kind of hypnosis so he can explore Banner's mind.

Have The Leader as a villain in the shadows. Make him mysterious. Ross finds out that Blonsky was actually a Russian spy who tried to get American Military secrets and the whole British Special Ops thing was just a con. So Ross is livid! He gets Stark to help out with a project Stark has been working on called "HB-2000" (Hulkbuster). This could follow on from The Avengers film when Iron Man and Hulk battle and Iron Man is getting killed. Cap asks something like "Haven't you got a bigger suit?" and Iron Man replies "Yeah, in my workshop!".

The Leader breaks the Abomination free and manipulates him into thinking Banner made Blonsky into a monster so he cannot change back. Abomination goes to Russia to find his wife who he accidentally kills and realises he is a monster so wants to kill Banner because Banner can change back and be with Betty.

Big brawl between Hulk and Stark in Hulkbuster suit

Big brawl between Hulk and Abomination.

Hulk confronts the Leader.

And in the third film it is just The Leader vs Hulk.


Can you imagine them following the sequel from where the first film ended? Like it had Banner meditating then he opens his eyes showing they are green and has a smile on his face. Carry this scene on longer but that smile turning into a devilish grin and then exploding into anger with Banner roaring "Puny Banner!!!" in a deep Hulk voice whilst he transforms.

This just shows how desperate the two are for control.

I have a lot of ideas in my head but can't really get them out onto words without this post being incredibly long!!


And about the Hulk vs Abomination fight I mention...

The fight I have set in my mind between Hulk and Abomination would take place near a dormant volcano, the volcano has been dormant for thousands of years and is not gonna erupt any time soon. Abomination could do something like hurt Betty to anger Hulk. Hulk thinks Betty is dead so he becomes furious and does a huge ground pound which forces the volcano to awake and spew lava! (this shows a real feat of strength!) Ross would be involved as always but this time he will provide multiple tanks and helicopters for Hulk and Abomination to play with. It would be more of a slug fest between Hulk and Abomination with not much focus on the military. These guys are just beating each other up cos Abomination wants revenge. Abomination trying to attack Hulk by using a helicopter as a chainsaw and also using the treads of a tank as a whip. Hulk would then strike Abomination with a swing of tank but only holding it with one hand from the cannon. Now I have a scene pictured with Abomination holding/forcing Hulk's face down into the ground with a stream of lava rushing across Hulk's face. So the lava is burning his skin, you see Hulk's bones and such but Hulk's regenerative system comes into effect and heals him. It would be similar to Wolverine healing himself when Jean Grey was attacking him in X3. Hulk would end the fight off with a ground pound on Abomination's chest and then chucking him into the volcano.

The Hulk vs Leader fight would involve Leader using his mind powers so making Hulk see hallucinations of Betty so it would be one big trap. Brains vs brawns.

That would be AWESOME!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

True but if it weren't for ejector seats how many would have died in 2003?

No ejector seats were used in the 2003 movie

The long and the short is that the Hulk DID NOT kill intentionally. there is a huge difference. When the Hulk was bashing on the helio and tanks, throw a huge manhole cover at Ross, bashing his head against the cockpit or causing an old lady to smash her car in 2003, he could have caused the deaths of those people. The only difference is that in 2008 it was more realistic in it's portrail.

Thats why you dont hear me complaining about the others who died in the movie, the Hulk didnt try and kill the guy in TIH when a piece of shrapnel hit him, but he TRIED, intentionally to kill Blonsky, no escaping that.

How many? Tell us. I saw plenty of pilot NOT using the ejector seat that didn't die.



Yes he did. To throw that piece of metal with that speed directly at the body of the helicopter cannot involve anything but to annihilate. It's not like he threw the piece of metal to blow the gun machines only.

Now with Blonsky there's no other possible intention than killing. When you're the Hulk and you know about those puny humans, who he knows are immendsely weaker than he is, then to kick him against a tree like that is not looking for just stop him, but kill him.



That's my point: In Ang Lee's Hulk he didn't have the intention. That's why he never kicked the soul out of anybody.



Well, yes, when Hulk was not watching what he was doping then yes, some lives could be compromised as collateral. But he was watching what he was doing when he made that helicopter explode or kicked Blonsky. I don't see how doing things in order to directly cauise the death of others could be "more realistic."

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I know. And the whole thing of "let's have him in Avengers and then we'll see about a sequel" is simply insulting.

Agreed with the bolded, see above.

 

[Red Mask]

The only thing I really want in a Hulk sequel in the introduction of the gamma bomb. They could introduce Rick Jones, a radioactive hot zone, and a slew of monsters that screams titans!

 

[Judson Caspian]

The only thing I really want in a Hulk sequel in the introduction of the gamma bomb. They could introduce Rick Jones, a radioactive hot zone, and a slew of monsters that screams titans!

How could they possibly introduce the gamma bomb now that the gamma chair origin has been established already?

 

[Red Mask]

How could they possibly introduce the gamma bomb now that the gamma chair origin has been established already?

Through the Leader and his mad schemes. Also blowing up Nevada is just the kind of threat that prompts more heroes to join the Avengers.

 

[[A]]

Blowing up Nevada sounds like the plan of someone born in Atlantic City.

 

[Red Mask]

Blowing up Nevada sounds like the plan of someone born in Atlantic City.

I'd aim for Utah, but **** happens. That's an theme I'd like to see explored in a Hulk sequel. Even the best laid plans go awry. Banner tries to get better control the Hulk, only to get caught up in the Leader's plans. Efforts to stop him result in the gamma nuking of Nevada. Things go seriuosly fubar as unexpected horrors pop up from the hot zone. In the end the Hulk becomes the solution as Banner once again loses control of the monster.

 

[Judson Caspian]

Through the Leader and his mad schemes.

Dude. I'm talking about the gamma bomb from TIH #1 with Rick Jones.

 

[Carlo Comicus]

http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=14597&count=0

 

[Judson Caspian]

Four words: The Abomination in daylight.

That's what I would like to see in a sequel.

 

[The Shrike]

http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=14597&count=0

Good news, it's also confirmed on AICN:

"Tim Roth, promoting “Lie To Me,” told reporters Marvel signed him to play “Incredible Hulk” villain Emil “The Abomination” Blonsky for three movies, a deal that could put him in both a “Hulk” sequel and the “Avengers” movie due May 4, 2012. "I don't want to get into it, but they signed me up for three," he offered."

 

[Obi-Ron]

GIVE HIM THE EARS DAMMIT!!!!!

 

[Judson Caspian]

GIVE HIM THE EARS DAMMIT!!!!!

I really wanted to wrap my head around the original scaley-with-big-ears monster that was in the comic book, but I couldn’t justify it. The guy isn’t crossed with a fish; he’s not crossed with a lizard. Just like the Hulk he’s an über-human.

Explains it all.

 

[Obi-Ron]

"Director's whim" isn't a good explanation at all.