TIH Sequel changes?

[Cracker Jack]

Agreed, Ang's movie touched on the duality aspect but no wear near enough, and TIH barely even bothered with it, its something both movies have failed to touch upon but its one of the key aspects of the character, so any Hulk movies in the future need to delve into this.

I remember Frenchy saying that this would be explored in the sequels. Spooled out I think he said. I think this was part of what hurt Hulk 2003. Ang was trying to say to much with to little time.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I remember Frenchy saying that this would be explored in the sequels. Spooled out I think he said. I think this was part of what hurt Hulk 2003. Ang was trying to say to much with to little time.

Possibly, but I think Ang's movie made the right move in doing this as a sequel is never a sure thing in Hollywood.

 

[daderade]

Hey just a thought. How do you guys think that an Incredible Hulk sequel would do if it took place up north....with Wendigo, and Wolverine(cameo...even if its a short one). Also with a little military action as well. Although I'm sure that it will be the Leader, creating some robots or something, and freeing a pissed of Abomination, Sampson turning Banner and Hulk into the Professor, and Sampson with power helping out. I guess that doesnt sound bad either.

 

[Cracker Jack]

NOt a bad idea but let's establish the Savage Hulk before we move on to the Professor.

 

[Grommers]

Yeah, I think the hulk needs to be established first in his motives etc, I never really understood Hulks motives. He just turns big green, usually saves the day..all not that enjoyable..I mean Ironman his reasoning was to stop and save all the lives he would of destroyed with his weapons, makes sense....hulk, turns big and green, and saves his girlfriend betty etc. Spider-man..to use his powers with great responsibility, and perhaps a little turmoil from uncle bens death..

like, really the hulk..just turns big and green, we aren't 4..we need a little more depth to the character! on what is so bad about turning bad and green first. Yeah, there is possibility for cool scenes with wolverine etc, but thats not what makes the movie good...well, for transformers it did..but i mean really, its not very common that a movie with a poor story / bad character development but has good special effects makes good returns in the box office.

 

[WeaponXProject]

No, he better kill anyone that gets in front of him.

And those injuries in the pic are from Abomination, that's why he's still bleeding. Because we all saw Banner without shirt after the campus fight and the bleeding scars weren't there, rightie? Most ridiculous attempt to make a fake point so far.

The bullets didn't harm him but for sure it has to be annoying.



Well, my pipe tastes like victory as those scars are not from any bullet.

I know they are from Abomination but to say that the Hulk doesn't feel pain or isn't atleast defending against it is the dumbest argument ever. He gets mad as Bruce when he feels pain. When the pain from the dogs in Ang's hurt him he got bigger and killed them. I don't know why your saying that he shouldn't defend himself from pain even if it doesn't penetrate skin. Pinches hurt and enough of them would make you smack the person doing it.

You say "harm him" loosely. Is your definition a mortal wound, a bruise or simply a physical sign of abuse? It may be all of the above but I have been harmed by a punch or a slap. You feel it and you decide to "fight or flight:. It's instinctive for any man or beast to defend themselves. The bullets were obviously rippling his skin and annoying him to the point of anger or paining him like a punch. The more angry and without full selfcontrol there is definite reason to defend himself. It seems you interpret the Hulk's thought process like it is all there when he's Hulked out. It isn't and it really shouldn't be yet. No matter how many posts and twisting you try to do he still was feeling pain or saw someone trying to inflict some and defended himself like the ferocious character he is. He tried to hurt people in defense so get over it. Your flat out wrong and being condescending about it.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Yeah, I think the hulk needs to be established first in his motives etc, I never really understood Hulks motives. He just turns big green, usually saves the day..all not that enjoyable..

like, really the hulk..just turns big and green, we aren't 4..we need a little more depth to the character! .

Never read a Hulk comic before I take it. He's much deeper than you think. Much deeper.

 

[WeaponXProject]

Never read a Hulk comic before I take it. He's much deeper than you think. Much deeper.

Actually I think that is what he was saying is that in TIH he had no character to him. I think he's saying they did make TIH too popcorny which is why I like the Ang Lee movie more bc you feel for the character more.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Actually I think that is what he was saying is that in TIH he had no character to him. I think he's saying they did make TIH too popcorny which is why I like the Ang Lee movie more bc you feel for the character more.

Ah, My bad. I disagree that he had no character. It was there.

 

[WeaponXProject]

They popcorned it up and I think they did miss alot of transition between his feelings as Bruce Banner transfering to the Hulk. Definitely less characterization of Bruce/Hulk than Ang's.

 

[dcHulk]

They popcorned it up and I think they did miss alot of transition between his feelings as Bruce Banner transfering to the Hulk. Definitely less characterization of Bruce/Hulk than Ang's.

something to be explored in sequels, if we ever get one. It is purely a financial decision, because I've seen movies that are just crap get a sequel or two. TIH is nowhere near crap.

 

[WeaponXProject]

something to be explored in sequels, if we ever get one. It is purely a financial decision, because I've seen movies that are just crap get a sequel or two. TIH is nowhere near crap.

I agree. I definitely want a Hulk sequel with or without Norton.

 

[El Payaso]

I know they are from Abomination but to say that the Hulk doesn't feel pain or isn't atleast defending against it is the dumbest argument ever.

And to say that that’s what I said is pretty dumb too since I myself said that you could see Ang Lee’s Hulk in pain on that San Francisco bridge; little before he saved the pilot’s life instead of taking it. So I have no problems admitting he felt pain in TIH too.

My point is and always has been that Hulk’s killing didn’t come from self-defense. His life was not in danger at the campus.

He gets mad as Bruce when he feels pain. When the pain from the dogs in Ang's hurt him he got bigger and killed them. I don't know why your saying that he shouldn't defend himself from pain even if it doesn't penetrate skin. Pinches hurt and enough of them would make you smack the person doing it.

As long as smack is not killing.

You say "harm him" loosely. Is your definition a mortal wound, a bruise or simply a physical sign of abuse? It may be all of the above but I have been harmed by a punch or a slap.

Let’s just say it’s pretty clear that Hulk’s life was not in danger.

You feel it and you decide to "fight or flight:. It's instinctive for any man or beast to defend themselves. The bullets were obviously rippling his skin and annoying him to the point of anger or paining him like a punch. The more angry and without full selfcontrol there is definite reason to defend himself. It seems you interpret the Hulk's thought process like it is all there when he's Hulked out. It isn't and it really shouldn't be yet.

A machine of destruction yes. A killing machine, no. For Hulk.

No matter how many posts and twisting you try to do he still was feeling pain or saw someone trying to inflict some and defended himself like the ferocious character he is.

No matter how you put it, he killed.

I’ve never denied he was in pain. So you’re the one twisting things here.

He tried to hurt people in defense so get over it. Your flat out wrong and being condescending about it.

As long as hurt is not killing, okay.

But he killed. Accept the facts.

I am wrong about what exactly?

 

[WeaponXProject]

And to say that that’s what I said is pretty dumb too since I myself said that you could see Ang Lee’s Hulk in pain on that San Francisco bridge; little before he saved the pilot’s life instead of taking it. So I have no problems admitting he felt pain in TIH too.

My point is and always has been that Hulk’s killing didn’t come from self-defense. His life was not in danger at the campus.



As long as smack is not killing.



Let’s just say it’s pretty clear that Hulk’s life was not in danger.



A machine of destruction yes. A killing machine, no. For Hulk.



No matter how you put it, he killed.

I’ve never denied he was in pain. So you’re the one twisting things here.



As long as hurt is not killing, okay.

But he killed. Accept the facts.

I am wrong about what exactly?

Who are you to interpret that the weapons used on him couldn't have been new and improved and made to hurt him. They made him angry enough. That's the point. Plain and simple. You can't push someone so far. His mind knows those weapons are made to hurt him. Why else would they ****ing use them.

Your not the Hulk and either am I but if people and machines are shooting highly powered weapons that are bruising me - no impacting my body - I'm going to fight back. The military didn't stop so why should someone who isn't completely morally/ethically sound or under control be able to stop from fighting back. He felt they were trying to hurt him...something in his brain said FIGHT BACK!

You refuse to understand that Hulk can't control himself when he's angry. That's part of the point of the character. I don't know how you can argue otherwise.

 

[El Payaso]

Who are you to interpret that the weapons used on him couldn't have been new and improved and made to hurt him.

A viewer.

The Army has a long tradition shooting at the Hulk, they keep hitting him and he keeps not dying. Two plus two.

They made him angry enough. That's the point. Plain and simple.

Hulk doesn’t kill. That’s the point. Plain and simple.

You can't push someone so far. His mind knows those weapons are made to hurt him. Why else would they ****ing use them.

Their purpose has nothing to do with Hulk’s behaviour in regards to what the Hulk has traditionally been; not a killer no matter how he is pushed. That’s why he’s our hero.

Your not the Hulk and either am I but if people and machines are shooting highly powered weapons that are bruising me - no impacting my body - I'm going to fight back. The military didn't stop so why should someone who isn't completely morally/ethically sound or under control be able to stop from fighting back. He felt they were trying to hurt him...something in his brain said FIGHT BACK!

As long as you’re the Hulk and fight back is not killing.

You refuse to understand that Hulk can't control himself when he's angry.

You refuse to understand that Hulk doesn’t kill, even when he's angry

That's part of the point of the character.

As much as not killing.

I don't know how you can argue otherwise.

I am not. I don’t argue against him destroying everything before him. But he has never killed humans before no matter of he's in pain or whatever, and that’s an essential part of what he is.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I have to agree with El Payaso, Hulk getting shot with a gun has never prompted him to kill, bulletts bounce off, they dont pierce his skin, and he always reacts, BUT, he doesnt kill people, which IMO is something TIH got wrong, he actually tried to kill people in the movie, and its of the aspects I dont like about the movie, though it doesnt ruin it completely for me.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

It never crossed my mind that hulk tried to kill anyone in TIH, he simply defended himself.

 

[El Payaso]

It never crossed my mind that hulk tried to kill anyone in TIH, he simply defended himself.

That puny human that Blonsky was didn't look like he was a serious threat to kick him in a way that pulverized every single bone in his body. At most he was damn annoying.

 

[[A]]

Can't blame the Hulk. Puny human, born in Russia -- probably a commie -- must. break. every. bone.

 

[El Payaso]

Can't blame the Hulk. Puny human, born in Russia -- probably a commie -- must. break. every. bone.

 

[KangConquers]

TIH 2? Hoped you guys packed a lunch, cause you'll be waiting for that one a long time.

 

[[A]]

Or: how to reply to a thread after just reading the title.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That puny human that Blonsky was didn't look like he was a serious threat to kick him in a way that pulverized every single bone in his body. At most he was damn annoying.

Exactly, didnt deserve to die, and if it wasnt for the serum he would have.

Can't blame the Hulk. Puny human, born in Russia -- probably a commie -- must. break. every. bone.

I couldnt help but agree with this! t:

 

[Cracker Jack]

Exactly, didnt deserve to die, and if it wasnt for the serum he would have.

True but if it weren't for ejector seats how many would have died in 2003?

The long and the short is that the Hulk DID NOT kill intentionally. there is a huge difference. When the Hulk was bashing on the helio and tanks, throw a huge manhole cover at Ross, bashing his head against the cockpit or causing an old lady to smash her car in 2003, he could have caused the deaths of those people. The only difference is that in 2008 it was more realistic in it's portrail.

 

[El Payaso]

True but if it weren't for ejector seats how many would have died in 2003?

How many? Tell us. I saw plenty of pilot NOT using the ejector seat that didn't die.

The long and the short is that the Hulk DID NOT kill intentionally.

Yes he did. To throw that piece of metal with that speed directly at the body of the helicopter cannot involve anything but to annihilate. It's not like he threw the piece of metal to blow the gun machines only.

Now with Blonsky there's no other possible intention than killing. When you're the Hulk and you know about those puny humans, who he knows are immendsely weaker than he is, then to kick him against a tree like that is not looking for just stop him, but kill him.

there is a huge difference.

That's my point: In Ang Lee's Hulk he didn't have the intention. That's why he never kicked the soul out of anybody.

When the Hulk was bashing on the helio and tanks, throw a huge manhole cover at Ross, bashing his head against the cockpit or causing an old lady to smash her car in 2003, he could have caused the deaths of those people. The only difference is that in 2008 it was more realistic in it's portrail.

Well, yes, when Hulk was not watching what he was doping then yes, some lives could be compromised as collateral. But he was watching what he was doing when he made that helicopter explode or kicked Blonsky. I don't see how doing things in order to directly cauise the death of others could be "more realistic."

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TIH 2? Hoped you guys packed a lunch, cause you'll be waiting for that one a long time.

I know. And the whole thing of "let's have him in Avengers and then we'll see about a sequel" is simply insulting.