TIH - Ultimates version

[Steve Holt]

so obviously i don't mean he's the ultimates version, it was the most straight to the point title.

what i mean is i can't get Ross' line out of my head.
"As far as i'm concerned that man's whole body is property of the United States Army"

is this a hint into the hulk's origin. did banner try to make the super soldier serum like in the ultimates, was he comissioned to make the serum for the army, and now they consider him their property. maybe i'm looking too far into it.

has anybody else had this thought?

they said they don't go against anything from HULK

but they also said the origin would be revealed slowly throughput the film.

what are your thoughts?

 

[GNR]

so obviously i don't mean he's the ultimates version, it was the most straight to the point title.

what i mean is i can't get Ross' line out of my head.
"As far as i'm concerned that man's whole body is property of the United States Army"

is this a hint into the hulk's origin. did banner try to make the super soldier serum like in the ultimates, was he comissioned to make the serum for the army, and now they consider him their property. maybe i'm looking too far into it.

has anybody else had this thought?

they said they don't go against anything from HULK

but they also said the origin would be revealed slowly throughput the film.

what are your thoughts?

I've purposely tried to block out what I remember reading from the script.

But from what I can't block out,the super soldier serum is a major part of the story.I think Banner was heading up the creation of a new serum and something went wrong.

 

[Gamma Ra]

so obviously i don't mean he's the ultimates version, it was the most straight to the point title.

what i mean is i can't get Ross' line out of my head.
"As far as i'm concerned that man's whole body is property of the United States Army"

is this a hint into the hulk's origin. did banner try to make the super soldier serum like in the ultimates, was he comissioned to make the serum for the army, and now they consider him their property. maybe i'm looking too far into it.

has anybody else had this thought?

they said they don't go against anything from HULK

but they also said the origin would be revealed slowly throughput the film.

what are your thoughts?

I think Marvel plans to use the super-soldier idea throughout all their movies to give them a common link.

As far as Banner's origin, I think that it will end up being at least a mixture of the television show and the Ultimates comic origin. Bruce will most likely end up working for the government doing experiments on himself, before all hell breaks loose. I'm hoping they throw a gamma explosion in there somewhere as well.

 

[Joker]

The scene where he jumps out of the plane in the trailer is right from The Ultimates, so I wouldnt be surprised if they took more from it too.

 

[Steve Holt]

i thought the SS Serum would be the common denominator. thanks guys for the replies

 

[Spade]

I interpreted the script's origin as lacking the Super-Soldier Serum, as far as Hulk goes.

Spoiler

Sterns mentions that he was able to make replicants using the protein primers Betty put in Bruce's blood and low-level gamma doses. The only thing the serum did to Blonsky was screw up an already abnormal transformation. From Ross' dialogue, I think Banner just innoculated himself with the primer, hit himself with a high concentration of gamma radiation, and sparked a different creature entirely. Ross even states that the project had yet to reach a weaponized stage when Bruce was still on it.

 

[Hulkfan2008!]

EB said the gamma bomb is part of hulks origin.

 

[Spade]

Considering that the trailer shows him using a machine to deliver the gamma radiation, I doubt they're using a gamma bomb.

 

[Hulkfan2008!]

but what if that was for a cure, or just put there to throw you off?

 

[SpaghettiHULK]

That was just a radiography machine...

 

[smooth3006]

That was just a radiography machine...

well thats the same machine bill bixby used in the tv series to create the hulk. he exposed himself to gamma radiation, high levels on accident. i don't think this movie will have a gamma bomb, he will inject with super serum then accidentally expose himself to very high levels of gamma by accident. and i could be wrong, but i didn't read the script and i don't want to either until i see the movie.

 

[Sarg92]

Just to clear up any confusion on the origins of Banner/Hulk and Blonsky/Abomination.

Spoiler

Banner doesn't inject himself with Super Soldier Serum, he is just exposed to high levels of Gamma Radiation by accident like the TV Show.

It is Blonsky who injects himself with the serum making him into a "super solider" but it starts to make him bones and other parts of his body to grow abnormally and then the injection of Banner's blood makes him into the Abomination.

 

[GNR]

Just to clear up any confusion on the origins of Banner/Hulk and Blonsky/Abomination.

Spoiler

Banner doesn't inject himself with Super Soldier Serum, he is just exposed to high levels of Gamma Radiation by accident like the TV Show.

It is Blonsky who injects himself with the serum making him into a "super solider" but it starts to make him bones and other parts of his body to grow abnormally and then the injection of Banner's blood makes him into the Abomination.

Ohhh okay,so...

[BLACKOUT]Banner doesn't use the SSS,but Blonsky does?

Was Banner responsible for working on the SSS in the script?[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Sarg92]

Ohhh okay,so...

[blackout]Banner doesn't use the SSS,but Blonsky does?

Was Banner responsible for working on the SSS in the script?[/blackout]

Spoiler

I think that Banner was part of an early stage of creating a Super Solider for the army, not serum but allowing the soldiers to withstand radiation. Banner then tests the experiment on himself but something goes wrong and huge doses of gamma radiation are unleashed.

Then the military create the serum themseleves I think.

Not entirely sure, Norton was right when he said he left out parts by purpose. I am sure the origins will be made clearer in sequels.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

So if Blonsky is made by the scientists could they make an army of guys like him?

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

Ohhh okay,so...

[BLACKOUT]Banner doesn't use the SSS,but Blonsky does?

Was Banner responsible for working on the SSS in the script?[/BLACKOUT]

Sounds to me like they drew from the old 70's series (You know, the one with Bill Bixby and Lou Ferrigno.) for the Hulk's origin right down to the chair and he Gamma Radiation exposure accident.

 

[Kirmit]

So if Blonsky is made by the scientists could they make an army of guys like him?

Yeah they could but by the looks of things Blonsky turns into a mindless beast smashing everything in his path, the army would want to control them, which might not be possible.

 

[tdeverea]

Someone let me know if I'm off base here but... by logic, if Marvel is indeed making a Captain America film, then a SSS already existed several decades before Banner was even born. How are people missing this larger point?

 

[Kirmit]

Someone let me know if I'm off base here but... by logic, if Marvel is indeed making a Captain America film, then a SSS already existed several decades before Banner was even born. How are people missing this larger point?

Well Banner in the ultimate comics was trying to recreate the syrum, something no one has been able to do since CA's creation.

 

[Sarg92]

So if Blonsky is made by the scientists could they make an army of guys like him?

The army could make Super Soliders, like enhanced stronger humans but not something like Abomination. I think Ross said they tried experiments on some other soldiers before Blonsky which didn't work.

The serum creates an enchanced human but Banner's gamma blood is needed to make a creature like the Abomination.

 

[Kirmit]

The army could make Super Soliders, like enhanced stronger humans but not something like Abomination. I think Ross said they tried experiments on some other soldiers before Blonsky which didn't work.

The serum creates an enchanced human but Banner's gamma blood is needed to make a creature like the Abomination.

If the Army had ahold of banner they would have a continous supply of his blood, so could recreate creatures similar to abomb.

 

[Sarg92]

If the Army had ahold of banner they would have a continous supply of his blood, so could recreate creatures similar to abomb.

Yep. That is what they want as Ross says in the trailer "As far as I'm concerned that man's entire body is property of the US Army", they want Banner for Hulk so they can exploit his power whereas Banner wants to get rid of it and make sure no one can get in touch of it.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Stan Lee started the Banner blood with the creation of She-Hulk.

In the mini series by PAD, entitled The Incredible Hulk Ultimate Destruction, which is supposed to be the 'true' origin of the Abomination, which reconned the original Tales to Astonish story, as a 'what we told the public' view, due to the shame involved in Blonsky really working as a government liaison, Banner's blood is key in the making of the Abomination.

Marvel has been really pushing it in the 616 universe that Hulk's and Banner's blood has unique properties.