Tim Roth talks UP "The Incredible Hulk"!!!

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hey, you know, Kids LOVE the Cookie Monster! But no, of course he should'nt talk like Cookie Monster. Also he doesn't have to speak while fighting, but I have to admit, I thought it was pretty cool when, in the comic book, the gov. guys went and got Abomination to go after Hulk, because banner was sleeping with Blonsky's wife. The dialogue between Abom. and Hulk was cool. Also when both fought more recently in the Ultimates! Abom. taunted, ridiculed, and verbally humiliated Hulk while beating him, until Hulk just looses it!

I was hoping to see SOMETHING like that in the movie, as far back as when it was annouced that TIH is being made. There seemed to be this assured possibility that Hulk would be talking this time around. Up until about 2 weeks ago. That's a bit of a let down.

What occurs to me now is that, this may be a character build for the Hulk, and he may talk in the next film. So many people want to see the gray Hulk, and what if say in the second or third movie, we see "Mr. Fixit" he'll surely be talking then!...Won't he?

Exactly, Abomination at least should talk, showing his superior intellegence, and how calculated he his, not to mention to show that he is a different creature than the Hulk.

But, coming from this crew, i'm not surprised they are going in an idiotic direction with the character, after all the **** i have heard so far.

 

[Sarg92]

Maybe they'll be a hint of the grey hulk at the end.

Lets just wait and see what happens.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Why would he look silly talking? Come on, with all the weird and strange-looking creatures that have talked in sci-fi/fantasy films for the past 30 years, you're telling me that this, a modern state of the art production, couldnt pull a talking Hulk and Abomination off as well, if not better?

Please.

Are you saying....an audience that paid money to see green monsters running around could comprehend seeing them talk as well? Wouldn't the audiences heads explode or something?

I mean...talking...wow...I dunno... The arguments against the Hulk talking have convinced me that no movie characters should talk ever again. Especially not any action characters. Talking during a fight scene is just to outrageous for people to stand. They may run screaming from the theaters.

No...I think it's safer to have all the characters in this movie not talk. They could just say everyone got laryngitis that week to explain it.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

That Superbowl Hulk teaser did far more harm then good. I'm glad Marvel has learned a lesson from Universal's blunder.

A Buster Keaton mention? This forum is more aged then I thought!

Personally, I don't need to hear the Hulk talk. If the extent of people's expectations were, "Hulk Smash" dialogue as Savage Hulk, then Marvel is making a good decision. It would be pointless and even silly. An integrated smart Hulk wouldn't work either. Combining the general public's love of the TV show with the comic is a perfect idea.

Buster Keaton needs to be mentioned as often as possible if you ask me.

And that TV show...augh...the worst thing that ever happened to the Hulk. Now most people think he's a green version of the werewolf.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

If this was a Saturday morning cartoon maybe talking would be ok but this is a live action film. It would be stupid if they were having a conversation while throwing cars at one another.

Hulk: Hulk throw car.

Abomination: Abomination catch car and throw back!

Hulk: Ow Hulk now mad.

Abomination: Me think us talking is dumb. Let us fight!

Hulk: No Hulk must say Hulk Smash then we can fight.

Abomination: Time out! Abomination Hungry.

Hulk: Dolce?

Abomination: Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Hulk: Me too. By the way I'm gay.

Abomination: I like that you're open about your sexuality.

Hulk: Let's do lunch.

Abomination: Ok let's go. Hey do you have a myspace account?

Camera pans up to the top of the nearest building where The Leader is looking down on his plan collapsing!

The Leader: Damnit to hell! I must get that forumula.

Computer Wife: Howabout Plan-Z?

The Leader: Plan-Z? YES!!! PLAN-Z!!! <evil laughter>

Computer Wife: <sigh>

I would suggest viewing any number of action movies to see how dialog is handled in action scenes. They've been pulling it off for years. There is no rule that all dialog stops the instant action starts.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Book and films are not the same though. You can get away with so much in 4 colors that you can't on screen. Let's see what happens. Maybe they'll be a hint of the grey hulk at the end.

That's what they used to say about the Lord of the Rings books.
Peter Jackson proved them wrong.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Because the Hulk speaks in the comics and that's the bad a$$ character many Hulk fans want to see bought to life on the big screen. Not the non speaking television version or any mindless version from the comics. In the comics the non speaking Hulks were the worst eras in sales.

You would think someone would notice stuff like this.

Might be hard for the Hulk to talk in future movies if they don't make any more Hulk movies.

 

[Advanced Dark]

That's what they used to say about the Lord of the Rings books.
Peter Jackson proved them wrong.

That's one story out of tens of thousands told. You can't expect every film to do that.

 

[TBadora]

I have always said that it is safer for film makers to stay true to the original concepts, rather than make up ones for the movie adaptations. Unfortunately, it seems as though Hollywood is not learning it's lesson.

 

[Cracker Jack]

From the script

Hulk: Grunt

Abomination: Growl

Hulk: Grunt Grunt

Abomination: Growl Growl Grunt

Hulk: Roar Growl grunt

Abomination: Grunt Growl Roar Growl Grunt grunt

Hulk: Oof, growlllllllllllllllll grunt roar
...................................t:

C'on this was pretty funny. t:

 

[HulkStomps!]

C'on this was pretty funny. t:

Yes it is, you get a pat on the back. All that's missing is Loud breaking noises, Impact sounds, and explosions, and there our main fight scene!

 

[Gamma Ra]

You would think someone would notice stuff like this.

Might be hard for the Hulk to talk in future movies if they don't make any more Hulk movies.

Thiis is my fear. If this movie fails I don't think the Hulk will appear in his own self titled movie for another 10 or more years, if at all again.

I made a point in a post I started not too long ago about them using a story from the Hulk comics issue #393 as a basis for understanding the Hulk. The elements of that story could be used as a foundation in a simple way to understanding and writing the character. I don't know if you're familiar wit it but to be brief, the Banner Hulk dynamic is broken down in three major parts:

1) Bruce Banner = Super-ego
2) Gray Hulk/Mr. Fixit = Ego
3) Savage/Child Hulk = Id

All these aspects of the Banner mind, mix to different degree as they fought for domination over their being, which explained why Hulk had different personalities would appear. I believe they should use this direction if they want a successful movie.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Stop worrying...wait for the movie. If you don't like something...somebody else will like it. Focus on the good parts. They should outweigh the bad.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Stop worrying...wait for the movie. If you don't like something...somebody else will like it. Focus on the good parts. They should outweigh the bad.

Believe me, the only worry I have is Hulk not speaking, other than that I have faith in about everything else going on.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

C'on this was pretty funny. t:

You cant laugh at your own stuff, lol.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

Stop worrying...wait for the movie. If you don't like something...somebody else will like it. Focus on the good parts. They should outweigh the bad.

The movie would not and should not be judged on whether or not the Hulk speaks. That is utter bull-****. The proof, although its a stretch goes back to classic movies in which the main character does not speak .ie, frankenstein, jeckyll & hyde, mummy and king kong. My point is a character doesnt have to speak for the movie to be good. I understand the arguement about him speaking in the books. This crap about Mr. Fix it is at a time where the story line for the Hulk was stale. Ironically he's gray, while his color was changed cause it didnt print well as a color back then. If they choose to have him speak more than his "betty" line and it doesnt sound right, now you have an excuse to critique that. Please give it a rest and appreciate the fact that the movie is being made period. Maybe he will have more dialogue in the Hulk 2.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

Hey...since the Abomination is also a monster and would look silly talking...how are they going to pull off two mutes in the same movie?

After all, the audience would never be able to believe the Abomination talking, right?

Those are going to be some painful scenes when they are onscreen together. Maybe they can put some piano music in it like the old Buster Keaton movies.

Wonder if they talk alot during the Ultimate Fighting while they are bashing eachother's faces in? They dont need to talk, this is not the comics!!!

 

[Cracker Jack]

Yes it is, you get a pat on the back. All that's missing is Loud breaking noises, Impact sounds, and explosions, and there our main fight scene!

Darn! I knew I forgot something. THBOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!

You cant laugh at your own stuff, lol.

Yes I can and I did. We must all learn to laugh at ourselves.

 

[Cracker Jack]

The movie would not and should not be judged on whether or not the Hulk speaks. That is utter bull-****. The proof, although its a stretch goes back to classic movies in which the main character does not speak .ie, frankenstein, jeckyll & hyde, mummy and king kong.

EB, do you know the difference between those characters and the Hulk? They are all monsters. The Hulk is not. t: The Hulk should talk.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

I made a point in a post I started not too long ago about them using a story from the Hulk comics issue #393 as a basis for understanding the Hulk. The elements of that story could be used as a foundation in a simple way to understanding and writing the character. I don't know if you're familiar wit it but to be brief, the Banner Hulk dynamic is broken down in three major parts:

1) Bruce Banner = Super-ego
2) Gray Hulk/Mr. Fixit = Ego
3) Savage/Child Hulk = Id

All these aspects of the Banner mind, mix to different degree as they fought for domination over their being, which explained why Hulk had different personalities would appear. I believe they should use this direction if they want a successful movie.

I like it. That could be a nice story arc over 3 movies even.

The movie would not and should not be judged on whether or not the Hulk speaks. That is utter bull-****. The proof, although its a stretch goes back to classic movies in which the main character does not speak .ie, frankenstein, jeckyll & hyde, mummy and king kong. My point is a character doesnt have to speak for the movie to be good.

The Frankenstein monster, Jekyll and Hyde, and the Mummy have all talked. Frankly the non-speaking versions of the Frankenstein monster and Mummy were boring dreck anyway and wouldn't work today. I don't know why the Hulk is compared to those guys. The Hulk is a speaking character from day one of his existence. Just like Batman, Spider-Man, and the X-Men. Would you judge those movies badly if they were all mute characters?

They dont need to talk, this is not the comics!!!

So I guess you wouldn't mind a mute Batman or Spider-Man. My mistake.

 

[Sarg92]

The movie would not and should not be judged on whether or not the Hulk speaks. That is utter bull-****. The proof, although its a stretch goes back to classic movies in which the main character does not speak .ie, frankenstein, jeckyll & hyde, mummy and king kong. My point is a character doesnt have to speak for the movie to be good. I understand the arguement about him speaking in the books. This crap about Mr. Fix it is at a time where the story line for the Hulk was stale. Ironically he's gray, while his color was changed cause it didnt print well as a color back then. If they choose to have him speak more than his "betty" line and it doesnt sound right, now you have an excuse to critique that. Please give it a rest and appreciate the fact that the movie is being made period. Maybe he will have more dialogue in the Hulk 2.

Thank you. That is exactly what I have been saying apart from comparing Hulk to other characters and the Grey Hulk part.

 

[Sarg92]

So I guess you wouldn't mind a mute Batman or Spider-Man. My mistake.

The Batman from the comics has been changed for the movies. Just look at the Joker. You cannot say they stayed true to the comics.

 

[Advanced Dark]

99.99999% of the moviegoes going to see a Hulk movie dont' really give a crap if The Hulk talks. They are going to see the action & destruction on the big screen. The Hulk talking might make a few fanboys pitch a tent in the dark movie theatre...not me.

 

[Cracker Jack]

99.99999% of the moviegoes going to see a Hulk movie dont' really give a crap if The Hulk talks. They are going to see the action & destruction on the big screen. The Hulk talking might make a few fanboys pitch a tent in the dark movie theatre...not me.

You have absolutely no Idea what the hell you're talking about.

 

[Advanced Dark]

No I know exactly what I'm talking about. The fact is the population of Superherohype type of boards makes up about barely over zero percent of the audience. The problem with the Hulk talking on film is everyone has their own idea of how he would talk. In the comics you kind of play it out in your head. You're not forced into one particular voice. I'm sure he will talk but the less the better. If he doesn't I'd be happy. The voice of a character's gotta be perfect or forget it. It could ruin the package...it was needed with characters like Silver Surfer, Batman, Spidey...it's not really needed here to any great degree.