Tim Roth talks UP "The Incredible Hulk"!!!

[Advanced Dark]

Many people did not accept the first film. So when Louis came here and we worked together getting all the suggestions over to him...he heard us. Marvel heard us. Feige heard us. Zak heard us...and others. I'm sure Norton has scanned these boards more than once as well. It's in their hands now and yeah they could change small things here and there but I just don't think there's need for doom and gloom based on whether he speaks or not, or how much he speaks. The attration of the Hulk is not his voice. Again...I don't care either way as long as it's presented right.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

I'm all for the Hulk speaking a little bit but I'd rather have his actions do the talking.

But the problem with that is that he then becomes a one-note character. He'll be useless when there is no action....or he'll have no scenes without action.

We all know enough about the Hulk character to know he is more than just smashing stuff.

 

[El Payaso]

But the problem with that is that he then becomes a one-note character. He'll be useless when there is no action....or he'll have no scenes without action.

We all know enough about the Hulk character to know he is more than just smashing stuff.

I think King Kong has already been mentioned but... King Kong. He doesn't have to be useless just because he lacks of some Tarzan-like lines.

 

[wobbly]

I wouldn't be so sure that much of what we say here or what we ask for has been taken on board at all. I really think that is giving us too much credit to be honest.
Just think about it: We are dealing with writers, actors, directors..all creative people, all having egos, all wanting to put something into the mix they can call their own. And they are gonna listen to us?

And for support of thinking that the fans voice is often acknowledged but seldom listened to I just look at past examples when scripts have been leaked early (before shooting had even begun on a couple of occasions) and seen how much stayed just the bloody same regardless of the very vocal fan complaints.

Even here: one of the biggest concerns has been giving the big guy his voice at long last (We've only been waiting nearly 30 years since the first live action effort after all). Give us The Hulk we ask, not some grunting green bruiser that saves Banner's ass every half hour. And with that suggestion of ours looking to have been summarily dismissed I do get that 'same old, same old' feeling..

Another thing to consider is this: I recall when the first Hulk film was being made a Universal executive let it slip they estimated comic fans make up less than 10% of the target audience (and with the sales of comics these days that stat is probably about right), so assuming our requests/comments hold any real weight with any studio does seem to me to be wishful thinking. And based on prior examples, rather naive too.

Sure, these guys will make all the right noises at the conventions or any message boards where people care, they always do, but beyond us they have bigger fish to fry. And let's face it, for all our complaints they also know most of the fans will still go and see the films regardless. That 10% is always safe money.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

I wouldn't be so sure that much of what we say here or what we ask for has been taken on board at all. I really think that is giving us too much credit to be honest.
Just think about it: We are dealing with writers, actors, directors..all creative people, all having egos, all wanting to put something into the mix they can call their own. And they are gonna listen to us?

And for support of thinking that the fans voice is often acknowledged but seldom listened to I just look at past examples when scripts have been leaked early (before shooting had even begun on a couple of occasions) and seen how much stayed just the bloody same regardless of the very vocal fan complaints.

Even here: one of the biggest concerns has been giving the big guy his voice at long last (We've only been waiting nearly 30 years since the first live action effort after all). Give us The Hulk we ask, not some grunting green bruiser that saves Banner's ass every half hour. And with that suggestion of ours looking to have been summarily dismissed I do get that 'same old, same old' feeling..

Another thing to consider is this: I recall when the first Hulk film was being made a Universal executive let it slip they estimated comic fans make up less than 10% of the target audience (and with the sales of comics these days that stat is probably about right), so assuming our requests/comments hold any real weight with any studio does seem to me to be wishful thinking. And based on prior examples, rather naive too.

Sure, these guys will make all the right noises at the conventions or any message boards where people care, they always do, but beyond us they have bigger fish to fry. And let's face it, for all our complaints they also know most of the fans will still go and see the films regardless. That 10% is always safe money.

Hi, as a member of the Universal crew, I read all, well, almost all the posts as I like to stay in touch with the "fanbase". I dont' like to make "noise", but do like to get serious, non-confrontational chat with this forum. Let me share something that an associate of mine pointed out after my post regarding the Hulk speaking. This IS a partial spoiler, so don't read it unless you want to know: The experiment to cure Bruce ends up giving him a little more control over his green alter-ego and focuses Hulk's mind. Only after that, he is able to focus and speak after seeing Betty in trouble. Prior to that, Hulk's senses are so amped up and assaulting his mind, because everything is like a bad acid trip. You see no one is following the story, The Hulk speaks, but only after this cure attempt. NICE TO MEET YOU.t:

 

[Advanced Dark]

That makes sense. In fact I figured before any of this was announced and the rumors of the grey hulk were swirling around that possibly in trying to cure himself banner gains more control over the monster and can speak at least a little bit. I wrote that in the grey hulk thread months ago.

 

[SpaghettiHULK]

So, He became the Gray Hulk? Or The Professor, with Bruce Banner's Mind?
Or a Grey Hulk, just Green?
What a mess...

 

[wobbly]

Hi, as a member of the Universal crew, I read all, well, almost all the posts as I like to stay in touch with the "fanbase". I dont' like to make "noise", but do like to get serious, non-confrontational chat with this forum. Let me share something that an associate of mine pointed out after my post regarding the Hulk speaking. This IS a partial spoiler, so don't read it unless you want to know: The experiment to cure Bruce ends up giving him a little more control over his green alter-ego and focuses Hulk's mind. Only after that, he is able to focus and speak after seeing Betty in trouble. Prior to that, Hulk's senses are so amped up and assaulting his mind, because everything is like a bad acid trip. You see no one is following the story, The Hulk speaks, but only after this cure attempt. NICE TO MEET YOU.t:

Nice to meet you too

That's the first I have heard of this and that does sound a little better.

However...I cant say I'm thrilled about Banner having to take any form of control over the Hulk to enable him to speak though. Do they at least make it clear the Hulks mind is seperate from Banners? (Bruce does have an MPD after all...The Hulk is a seperate personality, not Bruce Banner having a bad acid trip)

You wouldn't know if that single spoken word is still the case too?

Because if it is then I have to say that is not what the fans have asked for, and the point of my earlier post does still stand.

 

[SpaghettiHULK]

I cant say I'm thrilled about Banner having to take any form of control over the Hulk to enable him to speak though. Do they at least make it clear the Hulks mind is seperate from Banners? (Bruce does have an MPD after all...The Hulk is a seperate personality, not Bruce Banner having a bad acid trip)

So true!

 

[JeetKuneDo]

I think King Kong has already been mentioned but... King Kong. He doesn't have to be useless just because he lacks of some Tarzan-like lines.

Just because Ang Lee made the Hulk into a giant doesn't mean he is like King Kong.

Hulk=speaking character
Kong=non speaking character
Batman=speaking character
Daredevil=speaking character
Harpo=non speaking character

 

[Cracker Jack]

The experiment to cure Bruce ends up giving him a little more control over his green alter-ego and focuses Hulk's mind. Only after that, he is able to focus and speak after seeing Betty in trouble. Prior to that, Hulk's senses are so amped up and assaulting his mind, because everything is like a bad acid trip. You see no one is following the story, The Hulk speaks, but only after this cure attempt. NICE TO MEET YOU.t:

I never picked up on that. It's not like it was made clear. Hmmmmmmm.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

So, He became the Gray Hulk? Or The Professor, with Bruce Banner's Mind?
Or a Grey Hulk, just Green?
What a mess...

He's still green and savage. He just gains some control of his thoughts allowing him to finally speak. It's not that they don't want him to speak, it's just part of the story line that people don't understand. He becomes more capable of speaking and less mindless AFTER THE CURE ATTEMPT.

 

[SpaghettiHULK]

He's still green and savage. He just gains some control of his thoughts allowing him to finally speak. It's not that they don't want him to speak, it's just part of the story line that people don't understand. He becomes more capable of speaking and less mindless AFTER THE CURE ATTEMPT.

But he's still The Hulk or has Bruce Banner's Mind(and thoughts)?
They are still two seperate personality or not?

 

[EmeraldBeast]

Nice to meet you too

That's the first I have heard of this and that does sound a little better.

However...I cant say I'm thrilled about Banner having to take any form of control over the Hulk to enable him to speak though. Do they at least make it clear the Hulks mind is seperate from Banners? (Bruce does have an MPD after all...The Hulk is a seperate personality, not Bruce Banner having a bad acid trip)

You wouldn't know if that single spoken word is still the case too?

Because if it is then I have to say that is not what the fans have asked for, and the point of my earlier post does still stand.

As we all know banner is trapped inside the Hulk while he is in that state. Banner and the Hulk are one and the same, just the Hulk takes over when the radiation is released inside of him. Banner is always inside, just supressed. The cure I assume allows a little, just a little of banner to get through enough for him to speak, because he then recognizes Betty and shes in trouble. The personalities are different, but the man and beast, one and the same. As far as the speaking goes, they are tweaking as they go. My thoughts are he yells something at Abomb right before..........

 

[EmeraldBeast]

Just because Ang Lee made the Hulk into a giant doesn't mean he is like King Kong.

Hulk=speaking character
Kong=non speaking character
Batman=speaking character
Daredevil=speaking character
Harpo=non speaking character

All effective in their roles. But once again, if you dont know the story, you wont get this post. He does speak, just not alot. Just towards the end.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I understand the way it is written but it kind of ignores the MPD of Bruce Banner which is the way I guess this story is going.

 

[jadejaws]

but correct me if I'm wrong... Doesn't he save Betty during the campus scene...are we to think that he doesn't recognize her at that time?

 

[Sarg92]

but correct me if I'm wrong... Doesn't he save Betty during the campus scene...are we to think that he doesn't recognize her at that time?

He does recognise Betty a little after saving her, he does not hurt her or nothing.
With what EB has told us making the script more clearer, at the college campus scene, it is 100% Hulk with hardly no Banner input but after the attempt to cure himself, Banner gets a little control of Hulk. At the battle with Abomination, I would say it is 95% Hulk and 5% Banner. That 5% of Banner lets Hulk see everything clearer. He doesn't see the world that distorted and angry because Banner has a little input in Hulk's mind. With Hulk seeing everything clearer he is now able to recognise Betty more and he can start to speak.

Hope that makes sense!

 

[wobbly]

As we all know banner is trapped inside the Hulk while he is in that state. Banner and the Hulk are one and the same, just the Hulk takes over when the radiation is released inside of him. Banner is always inside, just supressed. The cure I assume allows a little, just a little of banner to get through enough for him to speak, because he then recognizes Betty and shes in trouble. The personalities are different, but the man and beast, one and the same. As far as the speaking goes, they are tweaking as they go. My thoughts are he yells something at Abomb right before..........

Re: the part in the bold. I personally don't feel that is true and never really has been even with the 3 distinct Hulk personas we have seen in the books over the years (the 'merged' Professor personality would be the closest to that statement and even that was eventually revealed to be a different mind at work).

In his other 2 incarnations (Grey and savage green), just as Hyde was to Jekyll, the Hulk is Bruce's repressed emotions given form and thought of their own. With the grey it was his nastier selfish side, with the green it was more basic and primal. But in all cases the Hulk personality is not Bruce Banner, but parts of his ID grown into a new personalities altogether. This is a point expressed in the very first issue and emphasised by how much they hated each other in the books - even now, with the personalities far more at ease with each others existence they are still well aware that they are different minds at work.

Another way of viewing this...Someone utterly drunk is one and the same as their rational sober self, it's just that while under the influence the drunk has far less inhibitions (and co-ordination, and manners...bladder control...you get the idea). However different they behave in this state though, the mind is still the same person, no matter how drunk they get.

By making the Hulk a near mindless raging thing that Bruce becomes when the radiation kicks in, or as you described it earlier, like his being on a 'bad acid trip' you won't get the feeling this is a new personality on show. It's just Banner, under the influence of a very different kind of drug, one the 'cure' helps him to focus past a little.
If this is the case then the Hulk personality, in any form that the comic fans have known him, will remain unseen.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Banner and the Hulk are one and the same, just the Hulk takes over when the radiation is released inside of him. Banner is always inside, just supressed. The cure I assume allows a little, just a little of banner to get through enough for him to speak, because he then recognizes Betty and shes in trouble. The personalities are different, but the man and beast, one and the same. As far as the speaking goes, they are tweaking as they go. My thoughts are he yells something at Abomb right before..........

All effective in their roles. But once again, if you dont know the story, you wont get this post. He does speak, just not alot. Just towards the end.

Ok, I'm dialing down my panic to "hopeful" mode. But the bolded part still bothers me. (Total immersion in nerdiness here. )

 

[HulkStomps!]

Well, my complaint and department is now offically closed! I am so looking forward to this! Thanks EB!t:

 

[chamber-music]

 

[mad-sci]

New Roth interview from SFX magazine (#166). Emil Blonksky sounds more like Jason Statham than the brilliant russian scientist from the comics now...



BEWARE - BAD LANGUAGE

 

[FrostBite]

For some reason, I don't like reading what Roth has to say. He's not a bad guy, and certainly not a bad actor...

I just really hate how he gives interviews.

 

[DoctorJones]

That interview wasn't very good. It's been confirmed Blonsky is just a spiteful soldier now, as the KGB no longer exist.