TMOS Review & Speculation Thread (Spoilers) - Part 2

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Agree! do not see why that would even be an issue. How many other movies gloss over events like that? Too many to count I am sure

Well off the top of my head you can include Iron Man 1 and 2 both had big fights in public places, as did The Incredible Hulk and Thor, yet no mention of how many people died or anything like was made after those events.

I enjoyed all of those movies as well BTW. Also, X-Men 2, my 2nd favourite CBM ever still to this day, had a lot of collateral damage to humans, yet only focused on the fallout from Jean's death.

 

[Autonet]

Well off the top of my head you can include Iron Man 1 and 2 both had big fights in public places, as did The Incredible Hulk and Thor, yet no mention of how many people died or anything like was made after those events.

I enjoyed all of those movies as well BTW. Also, X-Men 2, my 2nd favourite CBM ever still to this day, had a lot of collateral damage to humans, yet only focused on the fallout from Jean's death.

People who haven't seen the movie don't understand the scope of the action. Iron Man 1 destruction (and Avengers too) is NOTHING compared to MoS where at the end it looks like a nuke went off in the city.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

So they've gone a bit overboard with the last fight scene?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

People who haven't seen the movie don't understand the scope of the action. Iron Man 1 destruction (and Avengers too) is NOTHING compared to MoS where at the end it looks like a nuke went off in the city.

There was some pretty serious damage at the end of Avengers, maybe not a nuke going off but A LOT of damage nontheless. A more recent example would be STID as well, Harrisons ship crashing destroyed a big portion of the city.

 

[Autonet]

So they've gone a bit overboard with the last fight scene?

It's not all from the final fight. I liked it because I like crazy action. It's one of those things that pops into your head 2 days after seeing the movie. "Hey I wonder how many people died!"

I still think it's a minor thing and a conscious decision by the movie makers. They don't have time to address everything.

There was some pretty serious damage at the end of Avengers, maybe not a nuke going off but A LOT of damage nontheless. A more recent example would be STID as well, Harrisons ship crashing destroyed a big portion of the city.

From what I remember of Avengers it's not even close to MoS, just aliens with guns everywhere. A lot of low level destruction/explosions. STID is closer since the ship took out a few buildings when it crashed.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well off the top of my head you can include Iron Man 1 and 2 both had big fights in public places, as did The Incredible Hulk and Thor, yet no mention of how many people died or anything like was made after those events.

I enjoyed all of those movies as well BTW. Also, X-Men 2, my 2nd favourite CBM ever still to this day, had a lot of collateral damage to humans, yet only focused on the fallout from Jean's death.

Thor addressed it. That is kinda of the point of the scene.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

From what I remember of Avengers it's not even close to MoS, just aliens with guns everywhere. A lot of low level destruction/explosions. STID is closer since the ship took out a few buildings when it crashed.

Quite a few buildings were definately taken out in Avengers, the Leviathans alone took out at least 2, and that was before they were 'de-commissioned' and fell out of the sky.

Thor addressed it. That is kinda of the point of the scene.

True, Thor himself did, but that was before he got his powers back, after that it wasnt addressed in the Thor movie itself. It was in Avengers of course.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Quite a few buildings were definately taken out in Avengers, the Leviathans alone took out at least 2, and that was before they were 'de-commissioned' and fell out of the sky.



True, Thor himself did, but that was before he got his powers back, after that it wasnt addressed in the Thor movie itself. It was in Avengers of course.

They evacuate the city and Thor sacrifices himself to protect the people.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

They evacuate the city and Thor sacrifices himself to protect the people.

There are still people in the city when The Destroyer arrives though, you see people running away while it is shooting the **** out of the city so there must have been some collateral damage and people getting hurt.

There is actually a deleted scene of Selvig getting seriously injured by a piece of shrapnel, but Thor uses a stone from Asgard to heal it instantly. I wish they would have left that in.

 

[KingKane88]

Wow, woke up to a 72% on RT? That s☆☆ks Hopefully we rise during out the day. Only 30 somethin reviews in, all good.

 

[Audrey]

It seems like alot of reviewers are frustrated that we only see the beginning stages of the love story between Lois and Clark in this movie.

I guess I'm just confused. I don't understand what people were expecting. People love to complain about how "love at first sight" is not realistic. So it appears that this movie franchise is taking it's time to build the love story and saving most of it for the seqeul. Yet, people are mad about this.

I'm the biggest Lois and Clark fan there is. Do I wish this movie had taken some more time for quiet moments between the two of them? Yes. I have it on good authority from several trusted sources that the action sequences in the movie do run too long and that the film desperately needed some more quiet reflection. That's a flaw in the film and one I hope Goyer and Snyder take to heart for the next one.

But I also didn't come into this movie expecting a full blown romance right away. I'm totally fine with it being more of a set-up for the sequel.

I just feel sometimes like Lois Lane can't win. People complained after Superman Returns that the movie was "too much of a love story" with "not enough punching." When frankly, the problem with Superman Returns was NOT that it was a love story. The problem was that it put Lois and Superman in impossible situations and wrote them out of character. But people treated Lois and the love story as a scapegoat and people harped and harped that we "have to see Superman punch stuff."

Now, you get a movie where the focus on the punching and now people are complaining because they aren't getting enough of the love story. Now, I could go on a rant about how Hollywood always takes the wrong lessons but it is what it is. Be careful what you wish for....the love story was vital and it will be vital going forward.

I think Snyder and Goyer are going to have a hit on their hands. But I also think they are probably going to need to take some of the critique to heart. They seemingly did a good job of establishing Lois as an indivdual with her own motivations and drive in this film. That's a GOOD thing. It was an important thing. But the public expects and wants more of the classic Daily Planet vibe in the next film and they are going to have to put serious effort into building the relationship going forward. The actors clearly have chemistry. Now they need a script that will use it more going forward.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

It's not all from the final fight. I liked it because I like crazy action. It's one of those things that pops into your head 2 days after seeing the movie. "Hey I wonder how many people died!"

I still think it's a minor thing and a conscious decision by the movie makers. They don't have time to address everything.

Hmm...i wouldn't call that a minor thing exactly.At least for me personally.It's like that moment from TDK where BatBale jumped out of the windows and leaving all those people with the Joker....

 

[Herolee10]

Well, in a lot of ways, this film is very much a "Superman Begins" film since it's really only at the very end that the classic mythology that we all know of the character starts taking real shape (Daily Planet, Dual Disguise, Hero on Earth, etc) so if MOS proves to be the success that we're hoping it to be, then I think that Snyder and Goyer will have a lot of rich material, that wasn't shown in MOS, to explore in the sequel.

 

[Gavan]

They might have thought the kiss (as seen from the trailers) went too far. Thor had the same problem for me.

In any case, I have to see this one for myself. But given her drastically changed role, I don't expect I'll think it goes too far.

 

[jb007]

Another solid review http://****************.com/movies/man-steel-review/?_r=true

 

[Dragon_316ca]

http://www.batman-on-film.com/on-film_review_MAN-OF-STEEL_byJett_6-10-13.html

A from Jett.

 

[Compi716]

For those who have seen the film, do you have a favorite line or exchange? Personally, mine is:

Spoiler

"I grew up in Kansas. I'm about as American as it gets."

That was a moment where a huge smile (okay, I was smiling throughout the entire movie, so I guess my smile widened) leaped across my face. Classic, classic Superman, which was the one thing I feared we wouldn't get in this movie. I'm so glad to be wrong.

Man, I wish Kurosawa was still here. I'd love to know what he thinks of MOS. He and I were always [fairly] on the same page when it came to Superman purism.

 

[Audrey]

They might have thought the kiss (as seen from the trailers) went too far. Thor had the same problem for me.

In any case, I have to see this one for myself. But given her drastically changed role, I don't expect I'll think it goes too far.

A very good friend of mine saw the film last night.

She said that it's a kiss of exploration. It's clearly the beginning of something.

Thor made the mistake of having Thor openly say to Jane that he would come back for her. Man of Steel seems to make it clear that these are two people who just met who are exploring attraction at the end. But it's still growing.

I think alot of this is that Lois and Clark have baggage. It's a 75 year old love story. It's one of the most famous love stories in the WORLD. Not just in comic books. People come in to a movie and expect them to be acting like Romeo and Juliet.

Meanwhile, I watched Smallville for 10 years so I'm more than used to forcing the slow build on Lois and Clark. I don't need them to be madly in love right away.

I think it's honestly that people came into this movie expecting mad love and were surprised when what they got was the very beginning stages of something.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Please tell me this thread hasn't gone off the deep end.

give it 24 hours. could go either way at this point, but its definitely poised for it. sometimes i wish Nolan hadnt put his name on this. dont trust Snyder or Goyer, so Im relieved that he was involved, but the name alone will add conflict to this board and others, especially if the movie continues to get mixed reviews and the box office is less than stellar. not his fault of course (the ridiculous fanboy-ism, i mean. he has significant responsibility for the finished film of course).

but ill have to see this film before i decide if its worth defending it. if its another meh-fest or if the dramatic scenes all fall flat, then let the chaos come. ill just lurk in here and save my comments for the more light hearted areas of the hype.

edit: I do think that, thanks to Nolan and the Marvel stuff and Blomkamp and the Potter films and Game of Thrones (to name just a few), the bar for genre fare has been raised extremely high at this point. A Superman movie that merely has great action simply wont cut it anymore. No excuse for mediocre drama or humor that falls flat or bland characters. The most impressive set pieces ever seen wouldnt make up for any of those things. Why? Because we now know FOR A FACT that you can have it all now. Whedon and del Toro and Cuaron and Blomkamp and Nolan etc have proven it. Hell, even Cameron, despite his regurgination of various well-know stories and tropes, makes certain to spend the requisite time on character development/motivation so that the pretty pictures have some emotional resonance and subtext. Fingers crossed that MoS is successful in this critical aspect.

 

[Gavan]

Man, I wish Kurosawa was still here. I'd love to know what he thinks of MOS.

Saw that name on another forum. Last I lurked, he was calling Superman a murderer.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

For those who seen the movie...i've got a question:

Faora; lotsa people seems to be raving about her.

Can you tell us what makes her such a standout character? is it because she's a well written, fully fleshed out character or is it the performance by Antje...or both?

 

[ShadowBoxer]

I don't get that complaint about the love story between Clark and Lois. The movie isn't about them, its about Clark/ Kal El/ Superman finding his place in the world and slowly building towards him becoming the iconic hero we all know and love. Too many superhero origin stories have a forced love story where they magically fall in love with each other by the end of the movie. That's not realistic at all, it takes time before people completely fall for one another and I am glad this movie is just showing the beginning stages of their relationship. I mean that's what sequels are for!! ha

 

[Herolee10]

A very good friend of mine saw the film last night.

She said that it's a kiss of exploration. It's clearly the beginning of something.

Thor made the mistake of having Thor openly say to Jane that he would come back for her. Man of Steel seems to make it clear that these are two people who just met who are exploring attraction at the end. But it's still growing.

I think alot of this is that Lois and Clark have baggage. It's a 75 year old love story. It's one of the most famous love stories in the WORLD. Not just in comic books. People come in to a movie and expect them to be acting like Romeo and Juliet.

Meanwhile, I watched Smallville for 10 years so I'm more than used to forcing the slow build on Lois and Clark. I don't need them to be madly in love right away.

I think it's honestly that people came into this movie expecting mad love and were surprised when what they got was the very beginning stages of something.

It's kind of funny, at least for me, on how several people have taken the way the relationship (or development) was portrayed between the characters. A few think that Clark and Lois are "entering" an relationship by the end of the film, some think that the characters are only beginning to explore the possibility of an attraction that's between them as you just mentioned, and others view the situation where they feel it's evident that there is actual love between them.

It should be interesting to see on what others pick up from watching the film later on this weekend.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Also one question that I have that no one has answered. Is there any references or hints to a larger DC universe in this movie? Like is there a Daily Planet article talking about The Flash or referencing Gotham or anything or even a reference to Lex or other villains? How about an after credits scene?

 

[jb007]

At leaset it's not Anakin & Padme from Epi.II. Floating food silly!