TMOS Review & Speculation Thread (Spoilers) - Part 2

[mmbrown7L]

So I just got back from a screening too. Now keep in mind, I've been hyped OUT OF MY MIND for this movie. Especially the Lois and Clark relationship. So I come at this as an open minded but hugely dedicated Superman fan. Here are my bulleted thoughts.

Spoiler

This movie's non-linearity lightly hurts the first half of the movie. It'll probably be better in second viewings, but the jumping around broke the emotional connection you have to each character just a tad.

I think they could have better developed why Jonathan and Martha were so terrified to let their son's secret get out. For me, it just didn't build up enough to justify or have me believe that Clark would let Jonathan die in a disaster just to keep his secret.

Lois is handled about as well as she could be given the pacing of this story (this movie doesn't stop for more than a second and jumps around like crazy). She's in it plenty, and has lots of move this to here and deliver this here and tell clark this plot elements, but there's not a ton of emotion behind it. Just the teensiest bit hollow. Still liked it though, and I love how she seems to be what really motivates him. Her rescue sequences are great imo and leave lots of room for fun in the sequel.

The biggest surprise for me was how sci-fi the movie was. I really think this is what will turn off most audiences and probably why reviews haven't been as stellar. It's a very alien-esque movie rather than a city hero.

In no way did the film have too much action. I think people wanted a little more heart and soul rather than brooding, but there wasn't too much action in the least. In fact, by the end you'll just want MORE MOVIE.

I really look forward to seeing how Superman's morality develops after his heartbreaking choice to kill Zod.

Overall on first viewing I'll give it an 8/10 probably? I'm seeing it again tomorrow and might adjust my score. Non-linear films tend to be better the second time.

It's really hard to rank this against other superhero movies because it feels really different. Batman was more Batman in Begins than Supes is Supes in this. This honestly felt like a movie about an alien in a suit who is becoming Superman. This isn't a Superman story quite yet, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Hungry for a sequel!!!

 

[Herolee10]

I'm kind of surprised though that it's only today that people (well for those who had not seen the film yet or didn't have an friend that explained every scene to us) found out about Lois also being at the:

Spoiler

Train station at the conclusion of Superman accidentally killing Zod. I had been hoping to see them interact with each other somewhere between their kiss and the Daily Planet scene at the end and I'm glad that we got at least that moment since I think it's like a first to see Lois comforting Superman on the big screen

 

[Sup3rman81]

So I just got back from a screening too. Now keep in mind, I've been hyped OUT OF MY MIND for this movie. Especially the Lois and Clark relationship. So I come at this as an open minded but hugely dedicated Superman fan. Here are my bulleted thoughts.

Spoiler

This movie's non-linearity lightly hurts the first half of the movie. It'll probably be better in second viewings, but the jumping around broke the emotional connection you have to each character just a tad.

I think they could have better developed why Jonathan and Martha were so terrified to let their son's secret get out. For me, it just didn't build up enough to justify or have me believe that Clark would let Jonathan die in a disaster just to keep his secret.

Lois is handled about as well as she could be given the pacing of this story (this movie doesn't stop for more than a second and jumps around like crazy). She's in it plenty, and has lots of move this to here and deliver this here and tell clark this plot elements, but there's not a ton of emotion behind it. Just the teensiest bit hollow. Still liked it though, and I love how she seems to be what really motivates him. Her rescue sequences are great imo and leave lots of room for fun in the sequel.

The biggest surprise for me was how sci-fi the movie was. I really think this is what will turn off most audiences and probably why reviews haven't been as stellar. It's a very alien-esque movie rather than a city hero.

In no way did the film have too much action. I think people wanted a little more heart and soul rather than brooding, but there wasn't too much action in the least. In fact, by the end you'll just want MORE MOVIE.

I really look forward to seeing how Superman's morality develops after his heartbreaking choice to kill Zod.

Overall on first viewing I'll give it an 8/10 probably? I'm seeing it again tomorrow and might adjust my score. Non-linear films tend to be better the second time.

It's really hard to rank this against other superhero movies because it feels really different. Batman was more Batman in Begins than Supes is Supes in this. This honestly felt like a movie about an alien in a suit who is becoming Superman. This isn't a Superman story quite yet, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Hungry for a sequel!!!

I feel most of this was addressed in the first 5 seasons of Smallville. I feel from what you have said that this might even be a sort of pick up where Smallville left off. Clark always struggled with his powers and tried to be human when he knew he wasnt. He also was told by Jonathan in the show to not allow others to know his secret for fear they would take him away or do him harm.

 

[mmbrown7L]

I feel most of this was addressed in the first 5 seasons of Smallville. I feel from what you have said that this might even be a sort of pick up where Smallville left off. Clark always struggled with his powers and tried to be human when he knew he wasnt. He also was told by Jonathan in the show to not allow others to know his secret for fear they would take him away or do him harm.

Yeah definitely stuff covered by Smallville...but can you imagine Clark doing this in Smallville? By this I mean...

Spoiler

letting his father die in a tornado just because people are watching

 

[Sup3rman81]

Yeah definitely stuff covered by Smallville...but can you imagine Clark doing this in Smallville? By this I mean...

Spoiler

letting his father die in a tornado just because people are watching

Yes because in Smallville Jonathan wanted him to not expose himself. He would have sacrificed himself before letting Clark expose who he truly is. That was just the man he was and it seems that Costner plays Jonathan almost like Schneider did. I know some wont look at like that but Clark could have super speed rushed his dad to a hospital or gave him CPR to help keep him alive in Superman: The movie but he didnt and nor did Clark in Smallville

 

[Audrey]

Yeah definitely stuff covered by Smallville...but can you imagine Clark doing this in Smallville? By this I mean...

Spoiler

letting his father die in a tornado just because people are watching

No. And that's the part I'm struggling with the most.

I think this movie was heavily influenced by Smallville which is fine with me because I genuinely loved Smallville. It had some seasons where it struggled but there were some things that the show got very RIGHT. The relationship between Clark and the Kents and between Lois and Clark were two of those things.

Smallville established Lois Lane as her own woman with her own agency FIRST before Lois and Clark fell madly in love. That was imperative and it was part of the reason why Lois was so incredible on the show.

That said, Smallville ALWAYS took time for the emotional beats. They had the luxury of having way more time--I get that. But the film needs to take note of this for the sequel. You can't just have action, action, action all the time. You have to invest time in your central relationship. They need to invest real time inLois and Clark in the sequel. I hope they take note of that.

Jonathan was also willing to die for Clark on Smallville and, in fact, in the first season finale he ran out into a tornado in order to protect Clark's secret. This was clearly taken from Smallville.

BUT--and this is a huge BUT---

Spoiler

I cannot under any circumstances picture Tom Welling's Clark Kent standing there while his father died. I know that WElling's Clark would have died himself rather than watch his father lose his life for him over his secret. And that's the part I'm struggling with. It just doesn't feel in-character to me for Clark.

 

[Smallville13]

Completely agree Audrey.

Regarding Jonathan Kents [BLACKOUT]death. It's gonna have to be edited in a way that is convincing for me. If Clark really stands idly by watching his father die when he could save it. That's unlike any Superman incarnation. I still think they should've went for the heart-attack. That said I'll judge it when I see it.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Herolee10]

I feel like MOS may end up being a mixed bag for quite a few people, dare I say, even more so than SR for some.

While I don't speak for anyone else, I will say on my own behalf that it's just weird to see on how this all came about where a lot of people that I know were so excited and had such high expectations (maybe that was our mistake in a sense.lol) going into this film and now that a lot of people have seen it.....it's just quite not what we were thinking it was going to be.

And while I don't agree with these people at all, I already know of some who have given up on MOS (again not me at all and I don't agree with them.lol) simply because of all of the negativity that it's getting from their POV.

 

[Markdavid90]

I don't know what people were expecting when you place two rival kryptonians with unlimited power and relentless hatred for each other in a City. Ofcourse there is going to be mass destruction. Yes, thousands may have died, but I'm sure if Supes didn't kill Zod, Zod would have killed millions more out of anger or hatred.

Was everyone expecting Zod and Clark to meet up together, give each other a hug and a kiss and part ways being bestfriends.

And why are people complaining about realism? If every film was based on realism we would be watching the most boring, shortest films.

 

[Smallville13]

I feel like MOS may end up being a mixed bag for quite a few people, dare I say, even more so than SR for some.

While I don't speak for anyone else, I will say on my own behalf that it's just weird to see on how this all came about where a lot of people that I know were so excited and had such high expectations (maybe that was our mistake in a sense.lol) going into this film and now that a lot of people have seen it.....it's just quite not what we were thinking it was going to be.

And while I don't agree with these people at all, I already know of some who have given up on MOS (again not me at all and I don't agree with them.lol) simply because of all of the negativity that it's getting from their POV.

Can you believe it?

Frustrating times. Ugh. We can keep commenting on it or just wait and see what the opening gross is and we're the RT meter lands with >200 reviews.

 

[Herolee10]

Can you believe it?

Frustrating times. Ugh. We can keep commenting on it or just wait and see what the opening gross is and we're the RT meter lands with >200 reviews.

At this point, it seems like no one's going to be able to beat Batman when it comes to winning both the Critics AND Audiences alike when it comes to rebooted Origin films.lol We know that TIH and TASM didn't win over everyone, in fact, those films made people even more conflicted about their respective films.

And it seems like MOS will just be another film to add when it comes dividing people about things since I've read an good amount of reviews that are just PRAISING the film and an good amount of reviews that are either doing the opposite or having mixed feelings about it.

 

[J.Howlett]

At this point, it seems like no one's going to be able to beat Batman when it comes to winning both the Critics AND Audiences alike when it comes to rebooted Origin films.lol We know that TIH and TASM didn't win over everyone, in fact, those films made people even more conflicted about their respective films.

And it seems like MOS will just be another film to add when it comes dividing people about things since I've read an good amount of reviews that are just PRAISING the film and an good amount of reviews that are either doing the opposite or having mixed feelings about it.

What matters is your review, nothing more.

 

[Supermanila]

I feel like MOS may end up being a mixed bag for quite a few people, dare I say, even more so than SR for some.

While I don't speak for anyone else, I will say on my own behalf that it's just weird to see on how this all came about where a lot of people that I know were so excited and had such high expectations (maybe that was our mistake in a sense.lol) going into this film and now that a lot of people have seen it.....it's just quite not what we were thinking it was going to be.

And while I don't agree with these people at all, I already know of some who have given up on MOS (again not me at all and I don't agree with them.lol) simply because of all of the negativity that it's getting from their POV.

I feel that the reasons MOS may end up being a mixed bag for some are the flaws in storytelling and editing. There are a number of scenes that just felt like it was out of place. Scenes that didn't pace too well, and scenes that felt like something was cut or skipped.

This is coming from a guy who watches movies for fun, I am not very critical of movies, I enjoy movies that people in the internet bash all the time. But even so, I feel that there are some editing issues in this movie. I have no doubt though that this is a result of the movie being trimmed down to their desired length.

Don't get me wrong though, I really enjoyed the movie and looking forward to seeing it again this weekend.

 

[Autonet]

I'm confident Man of Steel will be a 80-85% at Rotten Tomatoes after 200 reviews but when I look on that website and see Warm Bodies got a 80% I can't help but think "who the ***** Cares?" lol Rotten Tomatoes really isn't important now after seeing that.

Let's bash a movie we've never seen or have interest in. THAT always makes sense!

 

[Autonet]

Completely agree Audrey.

Regarding Jonathan Kents [BLACKOUT]death. It's gonna have to be edited in a way that is convincing for me. If Clark really stands idly by watching his father die when he could save it. That's unlike any Superman incarnation. I still think they should've went for the heart-attack. That said I'll judge it when I see it.[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

It could've been done way better. It made his father seem suicidal more than making him look like he wanted to keep Clark's secret safe.

 

[kvz5]

Warm Bodies was awesome.

 

[Autonet]

So I just got back from a screening too. Now keep in mind, I've been hyped OUT OF MY MIND for this movie. Especially the Lois and Clark relationship. So I come at this as an open minded but hugely dedicated Superman fan. Here are my bulleted thoughts.

Spoiler

This movie's non-linearity lightly hurts the first half of the movie. It'll probably be better in second viewings, but the jumping around broke the emotional connection you have to each character just a tad.

I think they could have better developed why Jonathan and Martha were so terrified to let their son's secret get out. For me, it just didn't build up enough to justify or have me believe that Clark would let Jonathan die in a disaster just to keep his secret.

Lois is handled about as well as she could be given the pacing of this story (this movie doesn't stop for more than a second and jumps around like crazy). She's in it plenty, and has lots of move this to here and deliver this here and tell clark this plot elements, but there's not a ton of emotion behind it. Just the teensiest bit hollow. Still liked it though, and I love how she seems to be what really motivates him. Her rescue sequences are great imo and leave lots of room for fun in the sequel.

The biggest surprise for me was how sci-fi the movie was. I really think this is what will turn off most audiences and probably why reviews haven't been as stellar. It's a very alien-esque movie rather than a city hero.

In no way did the film have too much action. I think people wanted a little more heart and soul rather than brooding, but there wasn't too much action in the least. In fact, by the end you'll just want MORE MOVIE.

I really look forward to seeing how Superman's morality develops after his heartbreaking choice to kill Zod.

Overall on first viewing I'll give it an 8/10 probably? I'm seeing it again tomorrow and might adjust my score. Non-linear films tend to be better the second time.

It's really hard to rank this against other superhero movies because it feels really different. Batman was more Batman in Begins than Supes is Supes in this. This honestly felt like a movie about an alien in a suit who is becoming Superman. This isn't a Superman story quite yet, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Hungry for a sequel!!!

I agree with pretty much everything you said in your mini-review.

Spoiler

The movie suffered most of all from pacing/depth. I don't know why they decided to have a flashback, jump back to regular time for 20 seconds, then flashback again. I'd rather they just smash those two flashbacks together.

 

[mmbrown7L]

No. And that's the part I'm struggling with the most.

I think this movie was heavily influenced by Smallville which is fine with me because I genuinely loved Smallville. It had some seasons where it struggled but there were some things that the show got very RIGHT. The relationship between Clark and the Kents and between Lois and Clark were two of those things.

Smallville established Lois Lane as her own woman with her own agency FIRST before Lois and Clark fell madly in love. That was imperative and it was part of the reason why Lois was so incredible on the show.

That said, Smallville ALWAYS took time for the emotional beats. They had the luxury of having way more time--I get that. But the film needs to take note of this for the sequel. You can't just have action, action, action all the time. You have to invest time in your central relationship. They need to invest real time inLois and Clark in the sequel. I hope they take note of that.

Jonathan was also willing to die for Clark on Smallville and, in fact, in the first season finale he ran out into a tornado in order to protect Clark's secret. This was clearly taken from Smallville.

BUT--and this is a huge BUT---

Spoiler

I cannot under any circumstances picture Tom Welling's Clark Kent standing there while his father died. I know that WElling's Clark would have died himself rather than watch his father lose his life for him over his secret. And that's the part I'm struggling with. It just doesn't feel in-character to me for Clark.

EXACTLY.

Spoiler

And that's what he does. Just watches. His father holds out his hand to say STOP, don't come over here. And the tornado just comes. It did not feel like a genuine human choice.

 

[Herolee10]

It's times like this where I realize why some choose to avoid spoilers and reviews before going into watching a film for the first time since I feel like based on reviews alone that aside from the acting, action, and visuals, there isn't much when it comes to story and regardless of how I end up feeling when I see the actual film, those thoughts are going to be in my head going into it. Argh

 

[king666]

Let's hope the WB execs hear the criticism so they can make some changes in the creative department. If MOS is a 7/10, the sequel should be at least a 8/10.

 

[zerokul175]

A little back story about what happened at my screening last night, in an almost full theater I found one single seat on top next to a lady sitting by herself. Everything was fine until... the last fight when Superman kills Zod (with the hold , choke and the rest) and she decides to comment (not yelling but in regular tone) "That's Impossible" and she went onto something like "they just destroyed half the city, battling thru buildings, this is how he dies?". Now, I had to contain myself to tell her to be quiet since I had a feeling the end of the movie was near and I didn't want to miss anything, but she most definitely plant a seed on my brain and I kept thinking if that actually was possible. I mean they both have super powers at that specific moment of the fight so It is possible to either one to achieve a maneuver like that and killed the other right? Did anybody expect a more epic death for zod? I was pleased with the way the final battle developed and I had a great time watching the whole movie.
Any comments about this????
Txs for reading this

 

[Autonet]

[BLACKOUT]Some people will say it's lame, others will say Superman shouldn't kill, and the rest just won't care. I'm in the camp that didn't care, I mean if anyone could break his neck it would be Superman.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[RichardMoore]

I have a question.

Spoiler

What does the Codex look like?

 

[Autonet]

I have a question.

Spoiler

What does the Codex look like?

Spoiler

A small skull.

 

[MrMaooz]

What does Superman say to Lois when she is comforting him?