TMOS Review & Speculation Thread (Spoilers) - Part 2

[Autonet]

What does Superman say to Lois when she is comforting him?

Hard to remember that part, but I'm pretty sure she didn't say anything. Maybe someone can clarify if she did or not.

 

[Ramirez16]

Let's bash a movie we've never seen or have interest in. THAT always makes sense!

Warm Bodies was awesome.

Yes, it was. Better than most of the films that I have watched this year.

 

[X Knight]

questions about the tornado scene

Spoiler

does Clark actually make an attempt to save his dad before his dad stops him and tells him no?

also, how exactly does Jonathan die?? does he get crushed by something??

and what's Clark's reaction?

 

[Autonet]

questions about the tornado scene

Spoiler

does Clark actually make an attempt to save his dad before his dad stops him and tells him no?

also, how exactly does Jonathan die?? does he get crushed by something??

and what's Clark's reaction?

Spoiler

1. No attempt. He just looks at him.
2. The tornado kind of swallows him up, like water.
3. Clark screams. You see it in the trailers/TV spots.

 

[WormyT]

Was everyone expecting Zod and Clark to meet up together, give each other a hug and a kiss and part ways being bestfriends.

The problem wasn't the lenght of the action scenes per say. It was just a disconnect. When Hulk goes after the Aliens on the buildings, thats way more satisfying. A mix in oddly bad Michael Shannon acting and some questionable matrix Revolutions digital actors and you feel your heart sink a little as the scenes play out. Not to mention some downright hilarious shots of people looking up and hiding behind cars.
Avengers did a better job portraying how people would react by having cops escort them away or below the city.

Its hard to explain, you have to see it for yourself.

 

[X Knight]

Spoiler

1. No attempt. He just looks at him.
2. The tornado kind of swallows him up, like water.
3. Clark screams. You see it in the trailers/TV spots.

thanks.

Spoiler

not sure how I feel about that. I find it hard to believe that Clark wouldn't have disobeyed his dad and tried to rescue him.

 

[mackytung06]

Just watched the movie here in the Philippines. WOW. Feel free to ask any questions. :3

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

Grace Randolph's SPOILER review.

 

[MrMaooz]

How was Steve Lombard?

 

[mmbrown7L]

thanks.

Spoiler

not sure how I feel about that. I find it hard to believe that Clark wouldn't have disobeyed his dad and tried to rescue him.

Trust me, I felt the same way. You're supposed to believe he would listen to his father and not repeat the "mistake" he made with the bus as a kid. I might buy it more the second time I watch the film.

 

[BH/HHH]

Meh can't be bothered to listen to her, shes one most annoying people on the planet

 

[BH/HHH]

Just watched the movie here in the Philippines. WOW. Feel free to ask any questions. :3

The same one I keep asking, where would you rank it amongst your favourite CBMs?

 

[X Knight]

ok, more questions

Spoiler

does Clark feel guilty/responsible for his dad's death during the tornado?? like, he feels because he failed to act, his father died??

does he express this feeling to his mom or Lois when thinking about the incident?

also, do you feel he tries to "atone" for failing to act during the tornado by wandering the country, helping people when he can, like in the oil rig scene?

 

[Autonet]

ok, more questions

Spoiler

does Clark feel guilty/responsible for his dad's death during the tornado?? like, he feels because he failed to act, his father died??

does he express this feeling to his mom or Lois when thinking about the incident?

also, do you feel he tries to "atone" for failing to act during the tornado by wandering the country, helping people when he can, like in the oil rig scene?

Spoiler

It's not quite explored. I suppose you are suppose to think he feels guilty, but he never outright says that. Of course he does save the oil rig, so I assume it affected him. Then again the Oil Rig happens before we see the death scene...

He doesn't say anything other than "My father believed that if the world finds out who...etc"

All the questions you have are questions I had. I think could've been fleshed out better.

 

[X Knight]

Spoiler

It's not quite explored. I suppose you are suppose to think he feels guilty, but he never outright says that. Of course he does save the oil rig, so I assume it affected him. Then again the Oil Rig happens before we see the death scene...

He doesn't say anything other than "My father believed that if the world finds out who...etc"

All the questions you have are questions I had. I think could've been fleshed out better.

hmm......thanks.

Spoiler

this little bit about how Clark acts/fails to act during his father's death actually concerns me more than Superman killing Zod at the end.

to me, this seems more "out of character" for Clark/Superman. Again, I just find it hard to believe that you'd watch a parent/girlfriend/loved one die right in front of you when you know you have the power to save them.

it just feels like a really "contrived" plot point.

 

[mmbrown7L]

The same one I keep asking, where would you rank it amongst your favourite CBMs?

Here are two lists. My subjective how much I honestly enjoyed it list, and my critical list about how good a 'film' I really think it is.

THE PURE ENJOYMENT LIST:
Spider-man 2
Spider-man 1
Spider-man 3
The Incredibles
Man of Steel
X-2
The Dark Knight Rises
The Dark Knight
Captain America
Iron Man
Batman Begins

THE CRITIC IN ME LIST:
Spider-man 2
X-2
Spider-man
Superman: The Movie
The Dark Knight
The Incredibles
Iron Man
Captain America
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight Rises
Man of Steel
Spider-man 3

Yes, I realize The Incredibles is not a comic book movie, but it is superhero related and I love the film. I figured it would give you some insight into my type of film. The reason MAN OF STEEL falls so low on the critics list is because I really didn't think the structure and pacing was right for the movie. It was a fun movie, but I think more linear telling would have helped this incarnation of Superman. The flashbacks just didn't work as well for me in this as they did it Batman.

 

[RichardMoore]

Spoiler

A small skull.

Spoiler

Any reason for this (why it looks like a skull)?

 

[Autonet]

Spoiler

Any reason for this (why it looks like a skull)?

Spoiler

None that I could tell. Maybe a comic book reference?

 

[mmbrown7L]

hmm......thanks.

Spoiler

this little bit about how Clark acts/fails to act during his father's death actually concerns me more than Superman killing Zod at the end.

to me, this seems more "out of character" for Clark/Superman. Again, I just find it hard to believe that you'd watch a parent/girlfriend/loved one die right in front of you when you know you have the power to save them.

it just feels like a really "contrived" plot point.

I also felt it was a bit contrived. I'm still digesting though. Here are more answers:

Spoiler

does Clark feel guilty/responsible for his dad's death during the tornado?? like, he feels because he failed to act, his father died??

--He screams in a horrific way as you've seen in the trailer. The tornado is not anything huge or impressive. The shot of that truck flipping in the trailer is about all the action you see. Jonathan goes back for a dog in the car and can't make it back to safety in time. Clark looks like he wants to go help, but Jonathan just holds out his hand, signaling him to stop...accepts death...and then Clark just starts screaming as he watches his father get swallowed up. He obviously feels terrible. He was scared to act. He's been taught to do this. It's not unimaginable, but it also felt like a moment where he might act. Basically, we needed a little more convincing or explanation as to where his character was in this moment to justify his choice. We didn't get that.

does he express this feeling to his mom or Lois when thinking about the incident?

--Yes, he clearly tells Lois "I let my father die" as they stand at his grave. That's how she meets him again. She stands at the grave and he finds her there. He explains the cost he payed to keep his secret as a way to ask her not to run the story she's writing. That's what convinces her to drop the story. Again, not the worst on paper...just something about the execution was rushed. Had the scene with Lois explaining things been a little better, perhaps we wouldn't have this problem. It was just a bit rushed. In fact, now that I'm thinking about it...if I could expand on one scene to really make this movie...it would be this one. You could have a better exchange between Lois and Clark, build their relationship, build his character, and have a better foundation.

also, do you feel he tries to "atone" for failing to act during the tornado by wandering the country, helping people when he can, like in the oil rig scene?

--Yes, this definitely set him on his path...but because of the non-linearity of the story...you don't get to FEEL this decision. And I wanted to.

 

[Tony Stark]

Spoiler

None that I could tell. Maybe a comic book reference?

Spoiler

Brainiac?

 

[Autonet]

I also felt it was a bit contrived. I'm still digesting though. Here are more answers:

Spoiler

does Clark feel guilty/responsible for his dad's death during the tornado?? like, he feels because he failed to act, his father died??

--He screams in a horrific way as you've seen in the trailer. The tornado is not anything huge or impressive. The shot of that truck flipping in the trailer is about all the action you see. Jonathan goes back for a dog in the car and can't make it back to safety in time. Clark looks like he wants to go help, but Jonathan just holds out his hand, signaling him to stop...accepts death...and then Clark just starts screaming as he watches his father get swallowed up. He obviously feels terrible. He was scared to act. He's been taught to do this. It's not unimaginable, but it also felt like a moment where he might act. Basically, we needed a little more convincing or explanation as to where his character was in this moment to justify his choice. We didn't get that.

does he express this feeling to his mom or Lois when thinking about the incident?

--Yes, he clearly tells Lois "I let my father die" as they stand at his grave. That's how she meets him again. She stands at the grave and he finds her there. He explains the cost he payed to keep his secret as a way to ask her not to run the story she's writing. That's what convinces her to drop the story. Again, not the worst on paper...just something about the execution was rushed. Had the scene with Lois explaining things been a little better, perhaps we wouldn't have this problem. It was just a bit rushed. In fact, now that I'm thinking about it...if I could expand on one scene to really make this movie...it would be this one. You could have a better exchange between Lois and Clark, build their relationship, build his character, and have a better foundation.

also, do you feel he tries to "atone" for failing to act during the tornado by wandering the country, helping people when he can, like in the oil rig scene?

--Yes, this definitely set him on his path...but because of the non-linearity of the story...you don't get to FEEL this decision. And I wanted to.

You know what would've been cool

Spoiler

If instead of the priest he talked to Lois about whether he should turn himself in. Also I think him donning the suit AFTER Zod arrives would've been more impactful.

 

[mmbrown7L]

You know what would've been cool

Spoiler

If instead of the priest he talked to Lois about whether he should turn himself in. Also I think him donning the suit AFTER Zod arrives would've been more impactful.

 

[Autonet]

Spoiler

Brainiac?

Spoiler

I dunno. The skull gets "destroyed" anyway pretty early.

 

[BH/HHH]

Here are two lists. My subjective how much I honestly enjoyed it list, and my critical list about how good a 'film' I really think it is.

THE PURE ENJOYMENT LIST:
Spider-man 2
Spider-man 1
Spider-man 3
The Incredibles
Man of Steel
X-2
The Dark Knight Rises
The Dark Knight
Captain America
Iron Man
Batman Begins

THE CRITIC IN ME LIST:
Spider-man 2
X-2
Spider-man
Superman: The Movie
The Dark Knight
The Incredibles
Iron Man
Captain America
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight Rises
Man of Steel
Spider-man 3

Yes, I realize The Incredibles is not a comic book movie, but it is superhero related and I love the film. I figured it would give you some insight into my type of film. The reason MAN OF STEEL falls so low on the critics list is because I really didn't think the structure and pacing was right for the movie. It was a fun movie, but I think more linear telling would have helped this incarnation of Superman. The flashbacks just didn't work as well for me in this as they did it Batman.

Are those in order or just a list?

 

[mmbrown7L]

Are those in order or just a list?

Those are my order yes. Obviously not everyone will agree. I enjoyed Spider-man 3 and Dark Knight Rises more than most, but it'll give you a sense of my taste so you can listen or disregard as it suits you.