To Believe or Not To Believe? (SHOW RESPECT, OR RISK A BAN) - Part 2

[ShadowBoxer]

It's quite ironic since you said before "They (non-religious) keep trying to put God into this human box and you simply can't."
Like time i checked, "parent" is a "human box".


No?
The Flood....ring a bell?


There you have it, a mistake and a flaw all wrapped in one.


So, God already knew what would happen before he created us...he did it anyway....and he failed.
Good job Almighty


(...)

That's was NOT my point...AT ALL!
It's funny that you see this as an attack to your personal beliefs, which it was rather questioning it, something that you don't seem to do very often.

You are still bounded, not to God, but to yourself, to your consciousness, to your values and to your morals.

Like i said before, i have nothing against people that believe, there are good things that can be taken out of it, and i really blame indoctrination rather than believers.

The bible can be summarized into this: "God is good, God is love, but God will kick your butt if you fall and forget your place, so look in the Church for guidance since they are God's representatives on Earth".
It has propaganda for control written all over it.
The greatest problem of the Church (it was done on purpose) was to make us look for God instead into ourselves.

I'm agnostic deist and even i have a better understanding of what God is than most religious people (of the biblical variety).
Call it arrogant if you want, i'm not saying i have a good understanding, i'm just saying that the biblical view is awful.

God is love, God is pure...if God is love, how the hell does he hate, why the hell does he punished, why the hell did he created everything for his own benefit, why does God demands worship and our destiny depends on it, why...?
The biblical God is not more than a powerful arrogant petty child.


http://www.gotquestions.org/God-demand-worship.html

God's greatest gift to mankind is the ability to THINK, and if we can think we can question, and if we can question we can make our own choices...the idea that God can punish people depending on their choices is quite ridiculous.

This is my idea of God and i refuse anything else, using the biblical God as a template:
> The vilest of men dies and his brought in God's presence. God stands up from his throne, walks to the man.....EMBRACES him and CRIES.
The only words come from God that asks "can you forgive me?"

THAT is love!

Your whole argument is based this idea that God is a flawed being and he should bend to our will. That God is this evil dictator out to punish critical thinking and free will. According to you and other non believers in this topic, God should just let everyone do whatever they like and he should just go stand in a corner and be cool with it. But at the same time, he should prevent people from dying from tragic deaths or things that are harmful. Doesn't matter if a person makes a foolish decision that results in harm or death , it's God responsibility to fix it or prevent it right? God should be our personal servant/ genie and grant us all our wishes or demands. Also, the God you want must explain every move he makes, because he clearly needs our input about his decisions because us humans are intellectually smarter and certainly aren't flawed like he is. Doesn't this pretty much describe the God you want?

Well I wouldn't want that kinda God in my life. And I would hardly even call that a God at all. I am absolutely fine with the God in the bible. God's definitely none of those things you non believers think he is. God's definitely done incredible experiences and opportunities in life, I would have NEVER gotten if I hadn't stood strong in faith when non believers laughed in my face for believing in God. Not to toot my own horn, but how many people can say they got chosen out of thousands of college students around the world, to attend the Cannes Film Festival in France, and intern for a real Hollywood film company? How many people can say their life experiences motivated and changed people lives around you? This is just a small snipet of what God's done in my life. If I were to list everything it would be pages long. It's not that I am that good, it's just that I worked hard didn't give up my faith when things got hard or when "logical" people told me it was impossible.

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs or lack of beliefs. But I wouldn't want to live my life any other way. If I died and for some reason discovered God isn't real then I lost absolutely nothing. But if I die after a life time of not believing and find out God is real, then I lost everything.

 

[Human Torch]

Your whole argument is based this idea that God is a flawed being and he should bend to our will. That God is this evil dictator out to punish critical thinking and free will. According to you and other non believers in this topic, God should just let everyone do whatever they like and he should just go stand in a corner and be cool with it. But at the same time, he should prevent people from dying from tragic deaths or things that are harmful. Doesn't matter if a person makes a foolish decision that results in harm or death , it's God responsibility to fix it or prevent it right? God should be our personal servant/ genie and grant us all our wishes or demands. Also, the God you want must explain every move he makes, because he clearly needs our input about his decisions because us humans are intellectually smarter and certainly aren't flawed like he is. Doesn't this pretty much describe the God you want?

Well I wouldn't want that kinda God in my life. And I would hardly even call that a God at all. I am absolutely fine with the God in the bible. God's definitely none of those things you non believers think he is. God's definitely done incredible experiences and opportunities in life, I would have NEVER gotten if I hadn't stood strong in faith when non believers laughed in my face for believing in God. Not to toot my own horn, but how many people can say they got chosen out of thousands of college students around the world, to attend the Cannes Film Festival in France, and intern for a real Hollywood film company? How many people can say their life experiences motivated and changed people lives around you? This is just a small snipet of what God's done in my life. If I were to list everything it would be pages long. It's not that I am that good, it's just that I worked hard didn't give up my faith when things got hard or when "logical" people told me it was impossible.

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs or lack of beliefs. But I wouldn't want to live my life any other way. If I died and for some reason discovered God isn't real then I lost absolutely nothing. But if I die after a life time of not believing and find out God is real, then I lost everything.

The bottom line for me is: God gives us Free Will. You can choose to believe in Him and follow Him and live for Him.

or

You can choose to be the lord of your own life.Go your own way. Disobey God at every turn and live to please yourself.

Now,whatever you choose,God will give you exactly what you wanted. An eternity separated from Him,completely cut off from His love and mercy.Or embrace Him and spend an eternity in His presence. God is not going to force His will on you. He loved you enough-not only to die for you-but to give you the choice of excepting His sacrifice for you.

So I don't get this whole line of thinking that "God doesn't give you a choice". That's exactly what He does. You have a choice right now to be a thief.Maybe you want to rob a liquor store.You have the ability to do that if you want. But your actions are still going to be accountable to a higher power when the cops finally catch up with you.It's basically the same thing.

 

[Greens]

how many people can say they got chosen out of thousands of college students around the world, to attend the Cannes Film Festival in France, and intern for a real Hollywood film company?

The exact number of people that was chosen.

Obviously I don't know the specifics of the situation you're describing, but this can be applied to more situations:

a) one person or a group of persons was chosen randomly out of a pool. this would leave things totally up to chance. let's say the pool consisted of 3000 students, and a group of four students was chosen at the same time. this would give everyone a probability of 4/3000 to be chosen. No discrimination based on race, religion, personality, pure chance.

b) one person or a group of persons was chosen based on their abilities, grades and/or past achievements. Clearly, here the choice is not totally left to chance. The person with the best resume gets the job. Easy.

c) one person or a group of persons was chosen based on an interview. Clearly, the person who left the best impression is chosen.

So... where does God come in? If anything, God's interference would mean you weren't the man for the job originally. If you were the right person for the job you would be chosen anyway. So... is the person who actually deserved to get the job left out because God just likes you that tiny bit more? Is God actively rigging selection processes? That's not fair, I think we should have a talk about this with colleges and universities. Maybe make a collective plea to God that he should leave academics up to academia? What about football games? Does prayer affect the outcome of sports? We can't artificially enhance our bodies with drugs before a game but we can pray to get the edge? That's unfair, we should have a discussion with the sport leagues.

 

[Greens]

The bottom line for me is: God gives us Free Will. You can choose to believe in Him and follow Him and live for Him.

or

You can choose to be the lord of your own life.Go your own way. Disobey God at every turn and live to please yourself.

This is false. I do not CHOOSE to not believe in God. I can't wake up, eat breakfast and decide I'm going to believe in God today. I am not disobeying God because I don't BELIEVE in God. I am not actively sitting down at the coffee table, crossing out the rules of God that I broke that day.

 

[Human Torch]

This is false. I do not CHOOSE to not believe in God. I can't wake up, eat breakfast and decide I'm going to believe in God today. I am not disobeying God because I don't BELIEVE in God. I am not actively sitting down at the coffee table, crossing out the rules of God that I broke that day.

In order to not believe,you have to have made a conscious decision to reject the bible (and I'm pretty sure you must've heard enough about the bible in your life to have formed an informed opinion about God/the bible/Christianity.)

 

[moviedoors]

In order to not believe,you have to have made a conscious decision to reject the bible)

What does that have to with it? I can't throw a switch in my brain that me makes a Christian anymore than I can throw a switch that makes me crave gay sex.

And you know what, no I didn't make a conscious decision. I simply went from it being true, to it not anymore. I didn't decide it. It just clicked that way. I suppose it could click the other way again in the future, but I can't just choose to do that.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

The exact number of people that was chosen.

Obviously I don't know the specifics of the situation you're describing, but this can be applied to more situations:

a) one person or a group of persons was chosen randomly out of a pool. this would leave things totally up to chance. let's say the pool consisted of 3000 students, and a group of four students was chosen at the same time. this would give everyone a probability of 4/3000 to be chosen. No discrimination based on race, religion, personality, pure chance.

b) one person or a group of persons was chosen based on their abilities, grades and/or past achievements. Clearly, here the choice is not totally left to chance. The person with the best resume gets the job. Easy.

c) one person or a group of persons was chosen based on an interview. Clearly, the person who left the best impression is chosen.

So... where does God come in? If anything, God's interference would mean you weren't the man for the job originally. If you were the right person for the job you would be chosen anyway. So... is the person who actually deserved to get the job left out because God just likes you that tiny bit more? Is God actively rigging selection processes? That's not fair, I think we should have a talk about this with colleges and universities. Maybe make a collective plea to God that he should leave academics up to academia? What about football games? Does prayer affect the outcome of sports? We can't artificially enhance our bodies with drugs before a game but we can pray to get the edge? That's unfair, we should have a discussion with the sport leagues.

Out of the thousands that applied to the program only 60 students actually go to go. Out of those 60 only 20 got an internship with a film company. I am not saying everyone that got picked to be in the program was religious or God chose them, but in my case in was indeed some divine intervention. This was back when I was in college in 2010, but I had some classmates whom I mentioned who laughed and said it was statistically impossible for me to be picked. They that it was probably pointless to believe that God would bless me with something like that. It's not that I didn't deserve it or didn't work hard for it mind you. It's just an example of how God rewards the faithful. And he can show favor when the world says otherwise. The looks on my classmates faces when I showed them the acceptance letter was priceless.

 

[Black Narcissus]

In order to not believe,you have to have made a conscious decision to reject the bible (and I'm pretty sure you must've heard enough about the bible in your life to have formed an informed opinion about God/the bible/Christianity.)

What makes the christian God the absolute truth? All the other religious folks who are faithful but are not christian are they dammed?

 

[Human Torch]

What does that have to with it? I can't throw a switch in my brain that me makes a Christian anymore than I can throw a switch that makes me crave gay sex.

And you know what, no I didn't make a conscious decision. I simply went from it being true, to it not anymore. I didn't decide it. It just clicked that way. I suppose it could click the other way again in the future, but I can't just choose to do that.

The confusion here seems to stem from treating an intelligent conscious understanding of something as an impulsive urge.

You are not required to have saving faith by a sudden "feeling". That's what seems to hang up many.

It is one thing to have the joy of the Holy Spirit for example,but the experience is not truly had until you have a conscious ascent to the faith. That's why I say it isn't a blind faith. You must consciously choose to except it or deny it. It's not about "Yeah,I got a good feelin' about this.I think I'll go with it."

 

[ShadowBoxer]

The confusion here seems to stem from treating an intelligent conscious understanding of something as an impulsive urge.

You are not required to have saving faith by a sudden "feeling". That's what seems to hang up many.

It is one thing to have the joy of the Holy Spirit for example,but the experience is not truly had until you have a conscious ascent to the faith. That's why I say it isn't a blind faith. You must consciously choose to except it or deny it. It's not about "Yeah,I got a good feelin' about this.I think I'll go with it."

Agreed!

 

[Human Torch]

What makes the christian God the absolute truth? All the other religious folks who are faithful but are not christian are they dammed?

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

So we are clearly told that the only way to the Father is by accepting His Son's atonement for us. If we do not,we won't share fellowship with Him.

I look at it this way,accepting Christ's Atonement puts us at the head table eating a choice steak in the Kingdom. If you reject Christ's Atonement,you're sitting at the dingy diner across the street,eating a greasy cheeseburger while looking out the window at the folks at the head table eating the choice steak. Metaphorically speaking.

 

[Black Narcissus]

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

So we are clearly told that the only way to the Father is by accepting His Son's atonement for us. If we do not,we won't share fellowship with Him.

I look at it this way,accepting Christ's Atonement puts us at the head table eating a choice steak in the Kingdom. If you reject Christ's Atonement,you're sitting at the dingy diner across the street,eating a greasy cheeseburger while looking out the window at the folks at the head table eating the choice steak. Metaphorically speaking.

But good spirited folks who just don't believe in the Christian God are damned, right? I just don't see why only the christian way is the right way. It seems to me just because you are christian yourself, it makes it the only way. This is my main beef with some christian folks. It isn't feeling ill towards gays or being against abortion or taking the bible as 100% truth, it's aacting towards others like youre the ony ones chosen to carry the keys to grace. There way or the highway. The feeling of only being the one true voice for a God or eternal bliss. Yeah, you show love for everybody but deep in your heart you know this person who isn't in the same belief path as you is damned. And that sounds like feeling superior one way or the other, which would be arrogance imo.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Your whole argument is based this idea that God is a flawed being and he should bend to our will. That God is this evil dictator out to punish critical thinking and free will. According to you and other non believers in this topic, God should just let everyone do whatever they like and he should just go stand in a corner and be cool with it. But at the same time, he should prevent people from dying from tragic deaths or things that are harmful. Doesn't matter if a person makes a foolish decision that results in harm or death , it's God responsibility to fix it or prevent it right? God should be our personal servant/ genie and grant us all our wishes or demands. Also, the God you want must explain every move he makes, because he clearly needs our input about his decisions because us humans are intellectually smarter and certainly aren't flawed like he is. Doesn't this pretty much describe the God you want?

I'm amazed how anyone can read a post and fail at all the points miserably.

This is not about being better than God, or God sucking; this is about how the BIBLICAL God leaves a damn lot to be desired.

Like i said, i'm agnostic deist, but i'm also eclectic about my beliefs. Above all else i believe in 3 things; we are soul and not body, there is an afterlife and there is the choice of reincarnation; so, i would be really hypocrite if i was opposed to the idea of God (i already said this). However, i'm opposed to the idea of the BIBLICAL God, since i see the bible as no more than propaganda for control. In fact, everything about it points to it.
It's quite coincidental that God is good and loving (desirable), but we all need to obey him and revere him to find salvation (propaganda), and the only way to do that is looking at the Church for answers (control).
Unconditional Love - blind obedience/rules for salvation....those don't work in tandem.
Unconditional Love is LOVE WITHOUT LIMITATIONS OR CONDITIONS.

Like i said, at least 2 times now, the biblical religion have an amazing weird idea of God and love.
Damn you indoctrination!

Well I wouldn't want that kinda God in my life. And I would hardly even call that a God at all. I am absolutely fine with the God in the bible. God's definitely none of those things you non believers think he is. God's definitely done incredible experiences and opportunities in life, I would have NEVER gotten if I hadn't stood strong in faith when non believers laughed in my face for believing in God. Not to toot my own horn, but how many people can say they got chosen out of thousands of college students around the world, to attend the Cannes Film Festival in France, and intern for a real Hollywood film company? How many people can say their life experiences motivated and changed people lives around you? This is just a small snipet of what God's done in my life. If I were to list everything it would be pages long. It's not that I am that good, it's just that I worked hard didn't give up my faith when things got hard or when "logical" people told me it was impossible.

So, in other words, you suck major ass.
You are a lousy filmmaker, a pathetic excuse for a story teller.
Yes....No?
So, maybe...just maybe....that was the reason and not God.

But please, be free to say that it was God.
Tell yourself how special you are that God chose you above everyone else.
Because that's the thing right, you are special?! You are above all other people that also pray and all that, but don't get their prayers answered.
What about the people that don't pray and have an amazing life? Are they God's special little people too?
What about thieves and murders that end of having a good life as well?
Maybe they pray too...so, in the end, all that matters is a little prayer.

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs or lack of beliefs. But I wouldn't want to live my life any other way. If I died and for some reason discovered God isn't real then I lost absolutely nothing. But if I die after a life time of not believing and find out God is real, then I lost everything.

Let me rephrase that for you:

> But if I die after a life time of not believing and find out God is real, then I lost everything....except my self-respect of not kissing ass just to get a reward at the end.

Personally, i prefer to be skeptic and be proven wrong, than to be gullible and easily tricked.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

What makes the christian God the absolute truth? All the other religious folks who are faithful but are not christian are they dammed?

Arrogance and human pettiness.

Everything in this world revolves around two major questions that we have been doing since we discovered fire, and we are still at a loss:
> What is out there, beyond earth
> What happens after we die

The lack of response makes our species fearful and superstitious. We crave for validation for our actions, validation to our existence, we crave for a guiding hand, for someone to tell us what to do.
It's, what i call the father figure dilemma, we want look at something superior to us, but something good and loving, that can nurture us, that we can always count on.
Enter the biblical God (or any other deity), organized religion, any belief, conspiracy theories, whatever....

So, why did i replied "Arrogance and human pettiness"?
Because we refuse to be wrong, if we dedicate our life to something we can not prove it might as well be the right one, and if it is the right one that means the others are wrong.

Of course i'm talking in general terms, not everyone is like this...thank God (eh eh eh).
Some have evolved out of it over time.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Let me just leave this here as well:

For it to make sense that God punishes and rewards, implies that the only thing that matters is our actions, what we do.
Evil is not a natural thing, evil is a reaction to an external stimuli.

Hate, jealousy, anger, envy, greed...all those feelings need a external stimuli.

So, if there is always a motivation behind evil actions, how can God punish?

Once upon a time i read the story of a woman that tried to kill herself and had a NDE (is irrelevant if you believe or not in NDE, not even i'm sure i believe).
She went to "heaven" and she got several insights:

> God loves and forgives you, and expects you to love and forgive others
> All you do and think is known to God, and God understands everything perfectly, and loves everyone just the same.
> God does not punish, He only loves
> Forgiveness shows God's Love in action.
> To be fixed in beliefs is to try to make the infinite finite.
> There is no unforgiveable sin.

But my very favorite is:

> Others judge us by our actions; God judges us by our motivations.

If God judge us by our motivations, how can there be punishment?

Once again, how weird is the biblical faith....

 

[SuperSanchez]

A question to the admins
1. is there a suggestion thread, like to suggest stuff to add to site
2. Why cant we put pictures in our signatures like on other forums?

 

[Marvolo]

A question to the admins
1. is there a suggestion thread, like to suggest stuff to add to site
2. Why cant we put pictures in our signatures like on other forums?

Why didn't you just PM these questions to a mod rather than posting them in here where they have nothing to do with the topic?

 

[SuperSanchez]

Why didn't you just PM these questions to a mod rather than posting them in here where they have nothing to do with the topic?

sorry, I'm not particulary sure where to find the list of admins

 

[ShadowBoxer]

I'm amazed how anyone can read a post and fail at all the points miserably.

This is not about being better than God, or God sucking; this is about how the BIBLICAL God leaves a damn lot to be desired.

Like i said, i'm agnostic deist, but i'm also eclectic about my beliefs. Above all else i believe in 3 things; we are soul and not body, there is an afterlife and there is the choice of reincarnation; so, i would be really hypocrite if i was opposed to the idea of God (i already said this). However, i'm opposed to the idea of the BIBLICAL God, since i see the bible as no more than propaganda for control. In fact, everything about it points to it.
It's quite coincidental that God is good and loving (desirable), but we all need to obey him and revere him to find salvation (propaganda), and the only way to do that is looking at the Church for answers (control).
Unconditional Love - blind obedience/rules for salvation....those don't work in tandem.
Unconditional Love is LOVE WITHOUT LIMITATIONS OR CONDITIONS.

Like i said, at least 2 times now, the biblical religion have an amazing weird idea of God and love.
Damn you indoctrination!



So, in other words, you suck major ass.
You are a lousy filmmaker, a pathetic excuse for a story teller.
Yes....No?
So, maybe...just maybe....that was the reason and not God.

But please, be free to say that it was God.
Tell yourself how special you are that God chose you above everyone else.
Because that's the thing right, you are special?! You are above all other people that also pray and all that, but don't get their prayers answered.
What about the people that don't pray and have an amazing life? Are they God's special little people too?
What about thieves and murders that end of having a good life as well?
Maybe they pray too...so, in the end, all that matters is a little prayer.


Let me rephrase that for you:

> But if I die after a life time of not believing and find out God is real, then I lost everything....except my self-respect of not kissing ass just to get a reward at the end.

Personally, i prefer to be skeptic and be proven wrong, than to be gullible and easily tricked.

Wow. I won't respond to this like I really want because I don't want anyone to get offended and I get a ban. Your entitled to whatever your beliefs are, as am I. Honestly, from what I gather from your posts is that you THINK Christianity and the biblical God is about control and propaganda as say. Clearly this completely false. Your whole idea/argument of the Christian faith and who the God of the bible is so twisted and far out there, that I don't really know where to start.

You believe in a God that does nothing and allows anything, but the biblical God leaves a lot to be desired? Okay your entitled to your opinions. You made a point in point in another one of your posts that was odd. Something about a really vile man who had done awful things being brought to God. God goes up to the vile man crying and asking the vile man to forgive HIM. That statement alone proves what's wrong with your idea of God.

The God I know didn't create a bunch of rules just to make us all drones. The things he asks aren't unreasonable and have sound logic behind them. The God I know, gave us all intelligence and free will. He loved us enough to allow his son Jesus to be mocked and killed, to offer is enteral life. A God that that has plans to proper us and not to harm us. A God that has given hope to the hopeless, healed the broken hearted, cured the sick. But sure the blibical leaves a lot to be desired.

God seeing fit to bless people that are faith to him is a form of evil control and is dumb. Okay that's cool. By the way, I didn't bring up the Cannes film festival thing to brag or act superior. I only brought it up to use as an example of what I believed to be God's favor in my life. But sure I am a crappy filmmaker if that makes you feel better. Though I don't know how a crappy filmmaker could get an internship with a Hollywood film company, but whatever. Your logic is flawless there.

And LOL at the last part. You know absolutely nothing. I don't serve God because I fear hell, I serve God because I genuinely love him and gets been good to me. Much more so than I actually deserve. And again, if I wrong I lost nothing. I only die knowing I had an amazing life. But you wouldn't know anything about that. That statement is also stupid coming from who states that they believe in the after life. You keep saying Christianity is weird flawed. I would respond further to this last point but it would be really mean so I won't.

 

[Marvolo]

sorry, I'm not particulary sure where to find the list of admins

To tell you the truth I don't know where the list of admins is either or if the Hype even has a list of just the admins.

But Hunter Rider is an administrator: http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=22205

He is currently offline but if you send him private message he might be able to answer your questions when he is back online.

 

[SuperSanchez]

To tell you the truth I don't know where the list of admins is either or if the Hype even has a list of just the admins.

But Hunter Rider is an administrator: http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=22205

He is currently offline but if you send him private message he might be able to answer your questions when he is back online.

thank you very much

 

[ShadowBoxer]

I'm amazed how anyone can read a post and fail at all the points miserably.

This is not about being better than God, or God sucking; this is about how the BIBLICAL God leaves a damn lot to be desired.


It's quite coincidental that God is good and loving (desirable), but we all need to obey him and revere him to find salvation (propaganda), and the only way to do that is looking at the Church for answers (control).
Unconditional Love - blind obedience/rules for salvation....those don't work in tandem.
Unconditional Love is LOVE WITHOUT LIMITATIONS OR CONDITIONS.

Also if you gonna criticize something at least get your facts straight. Christians revere and obey God out of love. Not out of some sense of progangada or control like you say. Because they recognize that they are imperfect beings and need God in their life. They acknowledge that doing their way of doing life isn't always the best way. They also recognize that God loves them and only wants what's best for them. Also, a church doesn't grant salvation. You can go to church and know the bible from cover to cover, that won't grant you salvation, that's just religion. Like I said before it's about a personal relationship with God opening your heart to him, surrendering to him. God loves every person walking this earth. His desire is to be in relationship with us all. To see the truth, that he is for us and not against us. No matter how far gone you think you are, God will welcome you with open arms if you seek him. You could have murderer, drug dealer, or rapist but if you repent and see the error says, God will forgive you. He can restore and turn your life around. The God you mentioned should just accept a murder, rapist who doesn't repent or acknowledge the errors of his ways. In fact, your weird view of God should be begging the murder to forgive him. He should just be allowed into heaven just because love. Never mind the pain and misery that person brought on others right? That's why I find your reasoning as flawed as you think the Christian God is.

 

[Greens]

Also if you gonna criticize something at least get your facts straight. Christians revere and obey God out of love. Not out of some sense of progangada or control like you say

Ehh... people who are controlled by propaganda often don't know they're being controlled by propaganda. Just putting that out there.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Ehh... people who are controlled by propaganda often don't know they're being controlled by propaganda. Just putting that out there.

Christianity like any religion or belief is a choice. Nobody can really force you to believe anything. Nobodies forcing me to belief in God or just scare tactics or using cheap tricks to control me.

 

[Apollo]

As the starving kids in Africa issue. I know many churches, mine included that are actively doing good work in the area. Sending people on missions trips there, building orphanages, medical centers , churches, providing food and clean water etc. My church is also active with the homeless in my local area as well. I believe God uses the church/ his people to assist with issues like these.

That's great! Are you still going to that church in Virginia? I forget the name.