Superman Returns to us, Superman is the greatest superhero, but does the public think the same?

[Tempest19]

Uncertain of what you were trying to state as "fact" since that is a term many loosely throw around here. I didn't jump on you because of your opinion, everyone is open to have their own opinion. I only go after those who state opinions to be facts. There is a MAJOR difference between the two.

Face: The Earth is round

Opinion: ______ was horrible, _______ was great

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

To anyone who knew Saph...was he this annoying?

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno if he can be the man, I mean......the boyscout image really holds him back.

We live in a darker world, where the dudes that do quesitionable **** seem to be liked more. Edgier, meaner, angrier, darker.....those seem to be the "in" stuff.

But, Superman can have it's perks. It'd be a tough sell without having him punch the living hell out of someone or something, which is why I think SR didn't go over so well with movegoers.

It didn't go over so well with fanboys, b/c it's not an adaptation.....but I thought we all knew that going in.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I really liked the movie and am surprised it didnt perform as well as expected. Everyone i know enjoyed the movie, some enjoyed it more than others and i know a lot of people believe me.

 

[sf2]

to us? speak for yourself

even though i did enjoy the film, your thoughts on a character being the greatest in one medium firstly doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same thing and secondly doesn't mean that the fact you presented will be the case for all forms of media....

so nyah

i refer the US as superman fans, like me and the person i quoted in the first post.

 

[Steelsheen]

Batman pwns all, far as I see.

But, hey......maybe that's just me cuz I'm a Batman fan.

this is a Superman fan telling a Batman fan BB pwn3d SR big time.

Superman does have that rep for being a vanilla type of hero. Kinda, too by the book stuff.....and that MIGHT be a turn off to most people.

nope, its when they start changing the intrinsic elements of Superman's character that IS a turnoff to most people. you said so yourself, Superman's the longest running superhero, most people knows the basic characteristics of Superman-- its the the ideals that all of us are raised with, taught with, told to aspire for, its the good qualities that humanity has learned and achieved since we walked this planet. so if they come up with a superman that deviates from these ideals, then its not Superman, hence the confusion-- and for some rejection.

 

[MJB]

I dunno if he can be the man, I mean......the boyscout image really holds him back.

We live in a darker world, where the dudes that do quesitionable **** seem to be liked more. Edgier, meaner, angrier, darker.....those seem to be the "in" stuff.

But, Superman can have it's perks. It'd be a tough sell without having him punch the living hell out of someone or something, which is why I think SR didn't go over so well with movegoers.

It didn't go over so well with fanboys, b/c it's not an adaptation.....but I thought we all knew that going in.

Amen. Today the wolverine type heroes are in. Superman may be to clean for this generation. Their's no edge to him. Superman was created way back in the 30's i think. Everything was wholesome, well at least image wise, but as time progressed more edgy and questionable behavior came to the forefront. You have heroes like Wolverine, The Darkness and the team of heroes of the Authority who if done correctly can outdo Supes at the box office. these people do what may be considered bad or antihero type shyt, but people would rather see them and releate to them more so then the perfect goody goody Superman.

I love Superman, and he should'nt be changed in my opinion, but if he's going to keep up with thetrend, then WB is going to have to make him darker, more antihero, but somehow keep his wholesome qualities. It's going to be tough. The youth today loves blood and killing and someone getting their @ss handed to them brutally, and Supes don't do that. I feel for the person who has to write Superman for the big screen and make him appeal to the youth today, but not turn off the older fans who won't accept a Superman that's going to kick your @ss and put you in the hospital.

 

[Visionary]

I dunno if he can be the man, I mean......the boyscout image really holds him back.

This is a piss poor ass excuse, there is no Batman villain or Spider-Man villain that could have brought greatest to a comic book franchise like DARKSIED. People are tired of seeing Lex Luthor as Superman's main villain. Thus is why I'm the only one NOT happy with The Joker being in BB's sequel. Both villains are too ubiquitous amongst their various mediums. Not to metion, hanging on every whim of Donner's film didn't help matters. And don't get me started about that bastard child. The blame of this franchise failing lies with Bryan Singer, his writers and the overall story decisions. It has nothing to do with Superman being a boyscout, the villain (Darksied) would have brought all the darkness, blood, power, slavery, destruction and badass battles that was needed in the film. Bryan Singer is the reason for this uninteresting film's failing to connect with Superman's vast audience. Warner Bros., Legendary Entertainment and Bryan Singer are ignoring the real problems why it failed. I'm tired of hearing these idiotic excuses.

 

[NateGray]

This is a piss poor ass excuse, there is no Batman villain or Spider-Man villain that could have brought greatest to a comic book franchise like DARKSIED. People are tired of seeing Lex Luthor as Superman's main villain. Thus is why I'm the only one NOT happy with The Joker being in BB's sequel. Both villains are too ubiquitous amongst their various mediums. Not to metion, hanging on every whim of Donner's film didn't help matters. And don't get me started about that bastard child. The blame of this franchise failing lies with Bryan Singer, his writers and the overall story decisions. It has nothing to do with Superman being a boyscout, the villain (Darksied) would have brought all the darkness, blood, power, slavery, destruction and badass battles that was needed in the film. Bryan Singer is the reason for this uninteresting film's failing to connect with Superman's vast audience. Warner Bros., Legendary Entertainment and Bryan Singer are ignoring the real problems why it failed. I'm tired of hearing these idiotic excuses.

Excellent post

 

[WormyT]

So you're in charge of the sequel now? Wo, how'd you manage that?!

Glad your excited.
Well it's a long story but basically WB realised earlier on that I understand the character and this generation of Superhero movies but what got their attention the most was the fact that I'm very familiar with the history of the books which of course is what this character is.
They realised after lackluster reviews, lackluster box office and delight from teenage girls that Bryan kind of made the movie with the wrong end of the stick. They were very surprised he not only knew nothing about the character, but REFUSED to read up and study the characters history. He was how would I say...unqualified.
A new Superman movie requires more than just being an Apprentice to Richard Donner, they told me. On a side note, I hear Bryan Singer is finishing a draft with his writers on some other Richard Donner movies. Goonies Returns, and Lethal Weapon Returns.

Check out All Star Superman #5. It comes out today. It's absolutely one of the best Superman stories in years.
Also Justice(ALEX ROSS)is out too.

 

[Mr. Socko]

He ain't even my favorite superhero......

 

[Venom71]

Glad your excited.
Well it's a long story but basically WB realised earlier on that I understand the character and this generation of Superhero movies but what got their attention the most was the fact that I'm very familiar with the history of the books which of course is what this character is.
They realised after lackluster reviews, lackluster box office and delight from teenage girls that Bryan kind of made the movie with the wrong end of the stick. They were very surprised he not only knew nothing about the character, but REFUSED to read up and study the characters history. He was how would I say...unqualified.
A new Superman movie requires more than just being an Apprentice to Richard Donner, they told me. On a side note, I hear Bryan Singer is finishing a draft with his writers on some other Richard Donner movies. Goonies Returns, and Lethal Weapon Returns.

Check out All Star Superman #5. It comes out today. It's absolutely one of the best Superman stories in years.
Also Justice(ALEX ROSS)is out too.

We really need a yawning smiley

 

[ultimatefan]

This is a piss poor ass excuse, there is no Batman villain or Spider-Man villain that could have brought greatest to a comic book franchise like DARKSIED. People are tired of seeing Lex Luthor as Superman's main villain. Thus is why I'm the only one NOT happy with The Joker being in BB's sequel. Both villains are too ubiquitous amongst their various mediums. Not to metion, hanging on every whim of Donner's film didn't help matters. And don't get me started about that bastard child. The blame of this franchise failing lies with Bryan Singer, his writers and the overall story decisions. It has nothing to do with Superman being a boyscout, the villain (Darksied) would have brought all the darkness, blood, power, slavery, destruction and badass battles that was needed in the film. Bryan Singer is the reason for this uninteresting film's failing to connect with Superman's vast audience. Warner Bros., Legendary Entertainment and Bryan Singer are ignoring the real problems why it failed. I'm tired of hearing these idiotic excuses.

I´m not even gonna touch the rest of this rambling cuz these things were talked ad nauseum here, but on the Joker thing, first, Joker´s been in only one Batman movie, Lex was in three Superman movies before SR, second, he´s not the only villain in The Dark Knight, and third, we have seen all the most important villains in the Burton/Schumacher movies and Begins, if they look for a new villain our choices don´t go much better than Man-Bat or Clayface, who aren´t exactly A-list.

 

[Showtime]

I´m not even gonna touch the rest of this rambling cuz these things were talked ad nauseum here, but on the Joker thing, first, Joker´s been in only one Batman movie, Lex was in three Superman movies before SR, second, he´s not the only villain in The Dark Knight, and third, we have seen all the most important villains in the Burton/Schumacher movies and Begins, if they look for a new villain our choices don´t go much better than Man-Bat or Clayface, who aren´t exactly A-list.

Whose going to be the 2nd villian rumorwise?

 

[WormyT]

We really need a yawning smiley

If superman education makes you sleepy then perhaps you might prefer the Breakfast Club board or a Lindsey Lohan one perhaps.
Supermans for males thats why it's not surprising that SR has such a strong female following. It's a chick flick.
No one imagined we'd get a chick flick after 20 years but "oh well". Live and learn..now we are hopefully learning. But some don't want to... and it's hard to imagine a single human could settle on SR and be happy with it. Thats why you see guys with fat wives.
Don't settle.

 

[Venom71]

If superman education makes you sleepy then perhaps you might prefer the Breakfast Club board or a Lindsey Lohan one perhaps.
Supermans for males thats why it's not surprising that SR has such a strong female following. It's a chick flick.
No one imagined we'd get a chick flick after 20 years but "oh well". Live and learn..now we are hopefully learning. But some don't want to... and it's hard to imagine a single human could settle on SR and be happy with it. Thats why you see guys with fat wives.
Don't settle.

Sorry I didn't settle....just because you didn't like it doesn't mean it is a bad movie.....and the yawning smiley is because I am getting bored with your complaining and bashing....don't like the movie ..move on..it is at the end of its run..your complaining is not going to change anything at this point.
And the fat wiives comment was only a tad rude..again...just because you think it is settling doesn't mean everyone else does..

 

[WhatsHisFace]

Superman is my favorite. He's not an emo kid like Spider-man and he doesn't have to act all tough to prove he has balls like Batman.

He just is very polite and does what needs to be done.

 

[Tempest19]

Sorry I didn't settle....just because you didn't like it doesn't mean it is a bad movie.....

Agree with you dude, but it's no use trying to talk sense to some posters on here, because you know- everyone's own personal opinion they hold as the gospel truth.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I don't think superman is the greatest hero ever. He's just a man, but better in every way? Where's the fun in that? At least Daredevil or Thor have disabilities and stuff, or Beast from X-men, their downsides give them character, not just being super brilliant at everything like superman!

 

[WormyT]

Sorry I didn't settle....just because you didn't like it doesn't mean it is a bad movie.....and the yawning smiley is because I am getting bored with your complaining and bashing....don't like the movie ..move on..it is at the end of its run..your complaining is not going to change anything at this point.
And the fat wiives comment was only a tad rude..again...just because you think it is settling doesn't mean everyone else does..

Familiarise yourself with the books and you'll see what I mean. Superman should be a mammoth epic. What we got was Pretty in Pink. But besides the fact that it's an unfaithful adaption, it's just a pretty dull movie all round. Silly boring rehashed plot, bad cast, bad script, mediocre SFX, little to no action and overlong and extremely boring plus they added a kid thats never existed before in the 60 years of great source material.
Don't be easily pleased. Demand more, demand a real superman and don't settle on this girlie sensitive crap.

 

[Venom71]

Familiarise yourself with the books and you'll see what I mean. Superman should be a mammoth epic. What we got was Pretty in Pink. But besides the fact that it's an unfaithful adaption, it's just a pretty dull movie all round. Silly boring rehashed plot, bad cast, bad script, mediocre SFX, little to no action and overlong and extremely boring plus they added a kid thats never existed before in the 60 years of great source material.
Don't be easily pleased. Demand more, demand a real superman and don't settle on this girlie sensitive crap.

All opinion..not fact..except the kid part..which I liked Jason and can't wait to see where his story goes in the sequel...you really need to realize your opinion is just that opinion..NOT FACT

 

[Alonsovich]

Whose going to be the 2nd villian rumorwise?

Rumorwise? Penguin and/or Black Mask.

 

[X-Maniac]

The world has moved on... the real world as well as the world that Superman returns to in SR...

People KNOW Superman - the movie version. If you are going to do another movie, you have to take things to the next level.

The superkid was an interesting idea... but not a workable one and ultimately it's going to be a millstone around the neck of this franchise. They can't kill him off, he can't just be forgotten or disappear, and his powers are basically as vague and convenient as they want (if they need him to do something superpowered, he will; then, next scene he won't have the strength).

Just saw a Smallville repeat on TV tonight with Clark battling Milton Fine/Brainiac in the Fortress, flinging each other all over the place with blows and heatvision blasts. It was only a small-scale battle in a fairly light TV show that many Superman fans hate, but it worked a treat as a piece of action, one on one.... Which was entirely absent in SR.

No doubt we will get this kind of action next time - hopefully on an epic scale - but i cannot figure why they didn't do it this time round.

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

My thoughts exactly, Visionary

 

[ultimatefan]

Whose going to be the 2nd villian rumorwise?

The Penguin, and Harvey Dent pre-Two Face is apparently there too.