Tom Cruise tryin to Lean with it and Rock with it

[InsaneMembrane]

what does "caught feelings" mean? I keep seeing it everywhere

 

[blind_fury]

Nevermind. "lean wit it rock wit it" was produced by Jermaine Dupri! Not an old white guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_Wit_It,_Rock_Wit_It

thanks for playing!

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I'll need a source. thanx!

sure
Artist:, Young Joc. Title:, Goin' Down (produced by Nitti). Record Label:, Bad Boy/Warner

Edgar Bronfman, Jr., Chairman and CEO of Warner Music Group (Parent company), said, "Sean and Bad Boy are an exciting new addition to Warner Music Group and its renowned roster of artists and labels. His ability to cultivate new artists combined with his relentless drive makes Sean one of the entertainment industry's truly gifted and rare talents."
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Edgar%20Bronfman%2C%20Jr.%2C%20&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wi

On February 27, 2004, Bronfman finalized the acquisition of Warner Music and he has served as Chairman and CEO of the music company since that time.

"though Combs has plenty to smile about, having recently sold Bad Boy Records to Bronfman for a cool $30 million"

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Nevermind. "lean wit it rock wit it" was produced by Jermaine Dupri! Not an old white guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_Wit_It,_Rock_Wit_It

thanks for playing!

read my next post and see who there boss is.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

too bad he left...he never saw who owned Young Joc...so sad

 

[Blade_fan1911]

read my next post and see who there boss is.

The "boss" doesn't have anything to do with the music, it's the producer and the artist.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

The "boss" doesn't have anything to do with the music, it's the producer and the artist.

Perhaps at the very basic level, but they decide what goes through and what doesn't. They are investing in Young Joc, they are the ones who decide whether his album gets produced or not. Young Joc gets signed because Bronfman thinks it will make money.

 

[oakzap425]

Yeah, but a song doesn't get put on an album, and an album isn't released unless the head of the company that's putting out said record, agree's.

 

[Blade_fan1911]

Perhaps at the very basic level, but they decide what goes through and what doesn't. They are investing in Young Joc, they are the ones who decide whether his album gets produced or not. Young Joc gets signed because Bronfman thinks it will make money.

That's great but you're "white people run rap" theory has one flaw.......Russel Simmons. That and the many independent labels.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Yeah, but a song doesn't get put on an album, and an album isn't released unless the head of the company that's putting out said record, agree's.

Exactly...

 

[ShadowBoxing]

That's great but you're "white people run rap" theory has one flaw.......Russel Simmons.

And Jay-Z...I mentioned him in my last post noting it was changing..but its still largely a white run product....and then you can also look at DEF JAM artists who are largely Ludacris (who opennly criticizes rap for what I've been talking about), LL Cool J who represents a more classic era, Kanye West...you don't notice the difference between these guys and say Young Joc.

 

[Blade_fan1911]

And Jay-Z...I mentioned him in my last post noting it was changing..but its still largely a white run product.

You're only looking at the big major labels like sony, and warner. There are many independent labels and artists.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

You're only looking at the big major labels like sony, and warner. There are many independent labels and artists.

Of course there are...however they aren't getting enough airtime compared to Warner, Sony and alike. Those companies ought to be the ones dominating Sony and Warner...they aren't.

 

[oakzap425]

Yeah, name them, off the top of you head, no looking them up, and then name the artists?


Aret hey well known? I doubt it...


White people practically own American...

We're all just Mexican immigrants in this game called life...

 

[chaseter]

Cruise can lean with it rock with it on his way to his space ship after their baby learns the ways of this world and decides to destroy it.

 

[blind_fury]

He may not write it, but he directs it...and you can look it up. I all I had to do was search for his record label and see who his boss is. I mean this is the guy who previews Young Joc's music before it airs, he okays it. This is Hip Hop culture. A very white dominated industry found a type of music they could market, and before they did it was not so sexualized, it didn' talk about getting drunk and acting like a fool. Certainly Tupac and Biggie did some of this, but listen to the difference. You hardly ever hear songs like "Changes", "Dear Mamma", the album Raising Hell, Grandmaster Flash, Jam Master Jay, Afrika Bombaataa, I could go back even further. But it is most evident today that through white owned record labels rap and hip hop have changed. Even Ludacris is his film debut on "Crash" points out the change somewhat ironically, and I don't feel he would have said that if he didn't believe it. There is this celebration of ignorance in the music now that was not evident at all pre Tupac (who was in his own right incredibly well read). I am not saying rap music is bad, but as of today its a white controlled establishment...hopefully eventually like Jay-Z they will take over their own labels completely and we will see a new golden age like in the 80s, until then though I have a hard time listening to music I used to be able to see as an intellectual art form.

I think it's important that music reflect the people who buy it. This "music" has hit a chord with people. That fact in itself gives it the right to exist. I can't change that half the girls at my school like some crappy N-sync song. That is the way God made things. He gave the majority of people really crappy taste in music. Can we change that by increasing the quality of music overall. Perhaps for one or maybe even two generations but ultimately NO, you can't change peoples bad taste.

I also think it's important that music be as diversified as possible. Meaning that all rappers don't sound like Nas. And all rockers don't sound like Kurt Cobain. I would enjoy it, but the world is bigger than me so we need a bigger jukebox. "lean wit rock, wit it" has a huge audience. Why won't you see Tom Cruise on MTV dancing to Dead Prez "let's get free"? I guess that's not reality. Reality is most people would prefer to see and hear "lean wit it, rock wit it". Entertainment is about what people want, not what they need. We need vegetables, we want sugar. Go figure.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Yeah, name them, off the top of you head, no looking them up, and then name the artists?


Aret hey well known? I doubt it...


White people practically own American...

We're all just Mexican immigrants in this game called life...

Russell (Kanye, Nas, Jay-Z) has some big names...unfortunately they don't get played near enough these days and Jay is retired.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I think it's important that music reflect the people who buy it. This "music" has hit a chord with people. That fact in itself gives it the right to exist. I can't change that half the girls at my school like some crappy N-sync song. That is the way God made things. He gave the majority of people really crappy taste in music. Can we change that by increasing the quality of music overall. Perhaps for one or maybe even two generations but ultimately NO, you can't change peoples bad taste.

I also think it's important that music be as diversified as possible. Meaning that all rappers don't sound like Nas. And all rockers don't sound like Kurt Cobain. I would enjoy it, but the world is bigger than me so we need a bigger jukebox. "lean wit rock, wit it" has a huge audience. Why won't you see Tom Cruise on MTV dancing to Dead Prez "let's get free"? I guess that's not reality. Reality is most people would prefer to see and hear "lean wit it, rock wit it". Entertainment is about what people want, not what they need. We need vegetables, we want sugar. Go figure.

Thats all well and good...but what people "want" is often dictated by other people unfortunately.

 

[Blade_fan1911]

Really if you're saying that whites run these major labels, then i can't disagree with you. But you said they are createing the music, which just isn't true. For one the producer usually controls the making of the song (beat, quality, just overall technical aspect) and the artists creates the lyrics. Just like any music company it goes through to the top to see if it's ready for release, but the record label owners have no control over the music.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Really if you're saying that whites run these major labels, then i can't disagree with you. But you said they are createing the music, which just isn't true. For one the producer usually controls the making of the song (beat, quality, just overall technical aspect) and the artists creates the lyrics. Just like any music company it goes through to the top to see if it's ready for release, but the record label owners have no control over the music.

Thats true to an extent. No they cannot say this lyric or that lyric...but the direct where it goes. If they want an African American artist who sings about urban renewal and the after effects of the civil rights movement they will look for that person. However if the feel the need to have artists that marginalize racial issues they can do that to. And furthermore they pay the checks and unfortunately money talks. If they say the country is all over songs about rape, we need an album about rape....guess what you're getting. If they want an album about the Invisible children in Africa, guess what we're getting. They decide what direction the company takes. Sure he didn't come up with "lean wit it" itself, but he did say we need some dance hits...and probably said we need something simple. And then of course he okays it as well...so in the end he has a lot of control.

 

[jusblaze21]

I think Tom has been hanging around Kanye West and Jamie Fox to long.

 

[Blade_fan1911]

Thats true to an extent. No they cannot say this lyric or that lyric...but the direct where it goes. If they want an African American artist who sings about urban renewal and the after effects of the civil rights movement they will look for that person. However if the feel the need to have artists that marginalize racial issues they can do that to. And furthermore they pay the checks and unfortunately money talks. If they say the country is all over songs about rape, we need an album about rape....guess what you're getting. If they want an album about the Invisible children in Africa, guess what we're getting. They decide what direction the company takes. Sure he didn't come up with "lean wit it" itself, but he did say we need some dance hits...and probably said we need something simple. And then of course he okays it as well...so in the end he has a lot of control.

Do you really think that's how it goes? "Lean wit it" is what many artists do to get popularity in clubs. Some artists do this and call it a "club track". So basically what you're saying is that the artist has no control over their music, which i really can't agree with.

 

[blind_fury]

sure
Artist:, Young Joc. Title:, Goin' Down (produced by Nitti). Record Label:, Bad Boy/Warner

Edgar Bronfman, Jr., Chairman and CEO of Warner Music Group (Parent company), said, "Sean and Bad Boy are an exciting new addition to Warner Music Group and its renowned roster of artists and labels. His ability to cultivate new artists combined with his relentless drive makes Sean one of the entertainment industry's truly gifted and rare talents."
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Edgar%20Bronfman%2C%20Jr.%2C%20&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wi

On February 27, 2004, Bronfman finalized the acquisition of Warner Music and he has served as Chairman and CEO of the music company since that time.

"though Combs has plenty to smile about, having recently sold Bad Boy Records to Bronfman for a cool $30 million"

Dude, this guy signs consent forms. He does NOT come up with the hook or the dance to "lean wit it, rock wit it".

You were suggesting that a white man made this music, but your clearly wrong. He financed it. He gave them a top of the line studio. But he didn't right the song or the hook or the dance. Maybe for some other example of whites creating black music you may be right but in this example you're wrong.

And I don't care who writes the music anyways. The important thing is if people connect to it and enjoy it. Life is too short to worry about "who made the ice cream I enjoy" or "who made this movie I love". It really doesn't matter. If a porno movie is made by a KKK member and I get off on it GOOD FOR ME! Who cares who made it. lol!

 

[blind_fury]

Thats true to an extent. No they cannot say this lyric or that lyric...but the direct where it goes. If they want an African American artist who sings about urban renewal and the after effects of the civil rights movement they will look for that person. However if the feel the need to have artists that marginalize racial issues they can do that to. And furthermore they pay the checks and unfortunately money talks. If they say the country is all over songs about rape, we need an album about rape....guess what you're getting. If they want an album about the Invisible children in Africa, guess what we're getting. They decide what direction the company takes. Sure he didn't come up with "lean wit it" itself, but he did say we need some dance hits...and probably said we need something simple. And then of course he okays it as well...so in the end he has a lot of control.

You have a point. Record companies don't care about helping the black community but for some reason I don't blame them. Really it's not their job to change the human condition. If most blacks don't care about Africa the music will reflect that. Did the record companies tell blacks that starving kids in Africa don't matter. No, they didn't. Most blacks like most whites don't want to listen to music about how messed up life is. They want to dance. They want to lean wit it rock wit it. It's human nature. I used to think if one guy turned the switch humanity could learn true compassion. But I've seen how people treat each other in the easiest conditions and have grown cynical. The truth is that most people not only have bad taste in music they have bad taste in values to. And it would take alot of brain washing on the industries part to make people dedicate themselves to compassionate causes. And I'm not sure humanity is meant for that kind cult mentality. Ultimately humans have to be true to their nature. Sometimes that means instead of helping Africa you gotta "lean wit it, rock wit it". lol.

 

[Cyclops]

Pretty funny, but of course all of you will just write this off as him being crazy.

He's crazy, alright. Crazy like a fox.