Tom Welling as Superman

[Ultimate_Superman]

Funny enough, it really should be the reverse: Johns should be on Flash, Morrison on Superman.

Johns is a good man for the job because he's a huge Superman fan and knows his history of the character. Influenced by Donner isn't really relevant, unless he's using Donner's reverence for the character as a model to go by.

You haven't read Action lately have you?

 

[The Sage]

You haven't read Action lately have you?

I have. I've read all of Johns' arc. I just disagree with the notion that being influenced Donner is a contributing factor in making Johns or anyone a great selection to write Superman.

 

[hippie_hunter]

No one's saying that except the one *****e over at ScreenRant who took the DC's guys comments and ran with them. please stop harping on that, and bringing him into every freaking discussion we have here.

Actually a lot more sites than just ScreenRant are going with it. LatinoReview brought up Levitz's (head of DC Comics) comments that Routh is the current frontrunner for the role and Routh just recently confirmed it. It's also said that Alan Horn (head of WB) and Thomas Tull (head of Legendary Pictures which will be providing half of the financing for the next Superman movie), want Routh as well.

Right now, it's pretty undeniable that Routh is the current (and I mean current, not guaranteed) frontrunner for the role. And if Routh does get the role once again, I'd bet that he'll be the one to appear in Green Lantern, not Tom Welling.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Actually a lot more sites than just ScreenRant are going with it. LatinoReview brought up Levitz's (head of DC Comics) comments that Routh is the current frontrunner for the role and Routh just recently confirmed it. It's also said that Alan Horn (head of WB) and Thomas Tull (head of Legendary Pictures which will be providing half of the financing for the next Superman movie), want Routh as well.

ScreenRant took the LR interview where Levitz made the comment about Routh "being in the running" and inserted the line about "being the frontrunner", etc. SR picked that up and wont let it go. So it's all coming from one source from one overblown comment. The Horn/Tull stuff is all hearsay at this point and it comes from Steve at SaveSuperman who is the husband of the "infamousemijayne" who lied out her ass about the JLA movie for months. So your source on that is dubious at best.

Right now, it's pretty undeniable that Routh is the current (and I mean current, not guaranteed) frontrunner for the role. And if Routh does get the role once again, I'd bet that he'll be the one to appear in Green Lantern, not Tom Welling.

No. Routh is not the "current" Superman. Routh is simply the guy who most recently played him (or something that was supposed to be Superman) in a feature film. He's as much the 'current" Superman as John Wesley Shipp is the "current" Flash. No one has a clue as to whats going on with that franchise at the moment other than WB wants to start over story-wise, and there's currently no Superman follow-up film, be it a sequel, reboot, or requel, in the pipeline. And saying Welling wont be doing the cameo isnt really going out on a limb. I merely posted the article because the GL writer brought it up. I dont think it's likely that Welling gets the keys to the Superman franchise in a new film or a cameo. And I surely think Routh's days in the tights are over. But then again, WB has shown a penchant for repeatedly running their heads into walls, so I wouldnt completely rule him out either.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

ScreenRant took the LR interview where Levitz made the comment about Routh "being in the running" and inserted the line about "being the frontrunner", etc. SR picked that up and wont let it go. So it's all coming from one source from one overblown comment. The Horn/Tull stuff is all hearsay at this point and it comes from soemone who Steve at SaveSuperman who is the husband of the "infamousemijayne" who lied out her ass about the JLA movie for months. So your source on that is dubious at best.



No. Routh is not the "current" Superman. Routh is simply the guy who most recently played him (or something that was supposed to be Superman) in a feature film. He's as much the 'current" Superman as John Wesley Shipp is the "current" Flash. No one has a clue as to whats going on with that franchise at the moment other than WB wants to start over story-wise, and there's currently no Superman follow-up film, be it a sequel, reboot, or requel, in the pipeline. And saying Welling wont be doing the cameo isnt really going out on a limb. I merely posted the article because the GL writer brought it up. I dont think it's likely that Welling gets the keys to the Superman franchise in a new film or a cameo. And I surely think Routh's days in the tights are over. But then again, WB has shown a penchant for repearedly running their heads into walls, so I wouldnt completely rule him out either.

See Hulk I would have agreed with this statement if not for that big event the WB held going out of their way to not only invite Routh (which they could have done with Welling but didn't) and not only inviting him but calling Superman along side their Batman who just made them 550 million dollars. If you were going to use a different actor you sure as hell wouldn't do something like that it is bad for business. You also have to take into account Paul Levitz comments which was confirmed by Routh and IESB has also confirmed this. But as you have said we don't know what is going on with this project for all we know Welling could be Superman or god forbid Will Smith. Anything can happen but all signs right now from all the leak reports say the person who played Superman in the last movie will stay.

 

[Serene]

Right now, it's pretty undeniable that Routh is the current (and I mean current, not guaranteed) frontrunner for the role.

"Undeniable" is far to strong a word for that statement. I see a few Routh-Luvin fanboys who happen to write for websites that get a lot of traffic from people who are starved for any and all news about a new Superman movie quoting each other as sources. LOL! That doesn't qualify any of their reports as "undeniable" in my book.

I think Routh is certainly a very strong possibility, and hopefully, that's it. Welling is the best choice, but there's been no confirmation that he's even in the running. If he signs for a season 9, I don't think he'll ever portray Superman in any movie. I think he knows that too.

And if Routh does get the role once again, I'd bet that he'll be the one to appear in Green Lantern, not Tom Welling.

This I do agree with.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

See Hulk I would have agreed with this statement if not for that big event the WB held going out of their way to not only invite Routh (which they could have done with Welling but didn't) and not only inviting him but calling Superman along side their Batman who just made them 550 million dollars. .

What event are you speaking of?

BTW I know Bale is cool and all but he didnt make them $550 million, let's give credit to Nolan here, please.

 

[stargazer]

This thread is hilarious. *grabs more popcorn* t:

BTW, I was reading the Scifinow magazine (issue 20) at the bookstore the other day, and there was this interview with Smallville's new writing team. Among other other things, when they asked them about the 'no flights no tights' rule in Smallville, Brian peterson said: "We can absolutely confirm that there is no tights. That's pretty much all we can say on that."

Then Todd Slavkin added: "We really want Tom to come back," (for a 9th season).

Here is the link to the mag: http://www.Scifinow.co.uk


Well, it seems that he will at least fly.

 

[stargazer]

What event are you speaking of?

.

This one: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117994111.html?categoryid=38&cs=1&nid=2562

http://lexykinslifehappenings.blogspot.com/2008/10/fulfillment-stars-gala.html

 

[JackMercy]

This one: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117994111.html?categoryid=38&cs=1&nid=2562

http://lexykinslifehappenings.blogspot.com/2008/10/fulfillment-stars-gala.html

...Which was not a Warners-funded event, by the way...

If I may step in here...

This was in fact a charity dinner to thank contributors and raise more funds for the Fulfillment Fund, an organization, largely contributed to by Hollywood figures, that helps fund college scholarships.

As Variety states, Thomas Tull, CEO of Legendary Pictures (who most know, partnered with Warners on many recent blockbusters, including the Nolan Bat-pics and Superman Returns), himself was the individual attracting/inviting Mr. Bale, Mr. Routh, and some of Warners' leadership. Mr. Tull himself was being honored for his, and his company's, contributions.

Mr. Bale and Mr. Routh have both starred in recent large-budgeted franchise pictures which were made with Warner Bros. and Legendary partnering for financing -- thus no one need have gone "out of their way" to invite these two individuals...they were logical invitees, no matter what might be happening in the future...

Just to clarify...

::grabs some popcorn himself::

 

[Lighthouse]

Aren't we all jumping the gun on this Green Lantern thing? It might not even happen.

 

[Showtime]

Green Lantern is the only WB/DC project that has any steam at the moment.

 

[hippie_hunter]

ScreenRant took the LR interview where Levitz made the comment about Routh "being in the running" and inserted the line about "being the frontrunner", etc. SR picked that up and wont let it go. So it's all coming from one source from one overblown comment. The Horn/Tull stuff is all hearsay at this point and it comes from Steve at SaveSuperman who is the husband of the "infamousemijayne" who lied out her ass about the JLA movie for months. So your source on that is dubious at best.



No. Routh is not the "current" Superman. Routh is simply the guy who most recently played him (or something that was supposed to be Superman) in a feature film. He's as much the 'current" Superman as John Wesley Shipp is the "current" Flash. No one has a clue as to whats going on with that franchise at the moment other than WB wants to start over story-wise, and there's currently no Superman follow-up film, be it a sequel, reboot, or requel, in the pipeline. And saying Welling wont be doing the cameo isnt really going out on a limb. I merely posted the article because the GL writer brought it up. I dont think it's likely that Welling gets the keys to the Superman franchise in a new film or a cameo. And I surely think Routh's days in the tights are over. But then again, WB has shown a penchant for repeatedly running their heads into walls, so I wouldnt completely rule him out either.

Routh right now is the only person known that is being considered making him the frontrunner by default. If someone else is found and takes the frontrunner position then Routh is certainly not going to be the frontrunner anymore.

Routh is being considered to continue being Superman. He wouldn't have had meetings with DC Comics (which has some imput in the movies) and Warner Bros (which is making the movie) if he wasn't.

Frankly, even though I think a reboot should have a new actor, I wouldn't be surprised that Routh continues for several reasons to appease the people who did like Superman Returns, WB wanting to start up a Marvel-styled film universe (with Clark Kent appearing in Green Lantern), and finding a new Superman is going to be incredibly hard.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

This one: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117994111.html?categoryid=38&cs=1&nid=2562

http://lexykinslifehappenings.blogspot.com/2008/10/fulfillment-stars-gala.html

finally, someone who's level-headed and unbiased on the subject weighs in Seriously, do you guys have like 24 hour surveillance on this site and thread? It's really pretty sad. Then again, I used to mod your forums so it doesnt really surprise me.

Routh right now is the only person known that is being considered making him the frontrunner by default.

Says who? Backing up one claim with assumed knowledge doesnt support another. In the legal world, we call that an evidential cardhouse. Routh being "in the running" per Levits doesnt make him the "frontrunner" as LR seems to think, or "the only person known that is being considered", it's supposition upon supposition. I dont think the fact that he was the last guy to play him in a movie automatically puts him the lead, especially since we've got to do the whole thing over.

If someone else is found and takes the frontrunner position then Routh is certainly not going to be the frontrunner anymore.

again with the "frontrunner" talk...Why do I envision WB having a chart with big heads of Routh, Welling, Bomer, et al on little stick figures and them running a race, and each day Horn and Robinov come in and move one ahead of the others.... thats fun to imagine at least

Routh is being considered to continue being Superman.

and thats all we know at this juncture

He wouldn't have had meetings with DC Comics (which has some imput in the movies) and Warner Bros (which is making the movie) if he wasn't.

he didnt meet with DC, IIRC correctly Levitz simply said he was at the Studio for a meeting and didnt elaborate more than that

Frankly, even though I think a reboot should have a new actor, I wouldn't be surprised that Routh continues for several reasons to appease the people who did like Superman Returns,

LOL as if there's been some kind of ground-swell of support to have him back outside of the delusional few left at Bluetights who consider SR a cinematic masterpiece and put the actor above the character.

WB wanting to start up a Marvel-styled film universe (with Clark Kent appearing in Green Lantern),

they could have ANY actor in that role and that is all still possible, especially since SR is getting retconned from existence.

and finding a new Superman is going to be incredibly hard.

Why? Because fools like McG and Ratner couldnt agree on an actor in 2003? Singer found his pretty fast (then again look where that got us) and it was from a screen test that was before he was even hired. Casting Superman isnt difficult, it's an excuse for those who want the status quo no matter how poor it was. If SR taught us anything, it's that without a decent director and solid script, who you put in the roles in meaningless even though I'm sure others on another part of this site wouldnt care if the movie was directed by Uwe Boll and written by Pauly Shore as long as "their guy" is in the title role.

 

[Lighthouse]

Green Lantern is the only WB/DC project that has any steam at the moment.

I meant the Clark Kent cameo.

 

[Serene]

If I may step in here...

Just to clarify...
*snippage*
::grabs some popcorn himself::

Aw, c'mon Jack... at least tell us what kind of popcorn. I'm betting it's cheeeeese.

finally, someone who's level-headed and unbiased on the subject weighs in Seriously, do you guys have like 24 hour surveillance on this site and thread? It's really pretty sad.

 

[KBX]

If there is a Reboot, having Routh in that movie would be the single dumbest idea WB/DC would have made to date. There is absolutely no way you can convince me it is a good idea. I like the guy, but you have one chance, and apparently it didn't work out. Its unfortunate, but you move on. So is the WB going to tell us? "Um, movie goers, yes we have the same actor that played Superman in Superman Returns, but this time hes playing the same role, just with difference cast, director, and won't be the same type of Superman you saw." Its like not getting Bale for the 3rd Batman movie, but getting George Clooney instead. It makes no sense.

 

[Captain Kirk]

If there is a Reboot, having Routh in that movie would be the single dumbest idea WB/DC would have made to date. There is absolutely no way you can convince me it is a good idea. I like the guy, but you have one chance, and apparently it didn't work out. Its unfortunate, but you move on. So is the WB going to tell us? "Um, movie goers, yes we have the same actor that played Superman in Superman Returns, but this time hes playing the same role, just with difference cast, director, and won't be the same type of Superman you saw." Its like not getting Bale for the 3rd Batman movie, but getting George Clooney instead. It makes no sense.

I agree! If they are starting over then it's time to find a new Superman. If not as you said the general public will assue that it is a sequel to Returns, and all the baggage along with it!

 

[Whoa]

If there is a Reboot, having Routh in that movie would be the single dumbest idea WB/DC would have made to date. There is absolutely no way you can convince me it is a good idea. I like the guy, but you have one chance, and apparently it didn't work out. Its unfortunate, but you move on. So is the WB going to tell us? "Um, movie goers, yes we have the same actor that played Superman in Superman Returns, but this time hes playing the same role, just with difference cast, director, and won't be the same type of Superman you saw." Its like not getting Bale for the 3rd Batman movie, but getting George Clooney instead. It makes no sense.

The same can be said about Tom Welling & keeping the new movie a reboot. Its a double standard because of actor preference

 

[Prison Mike]

The same can be said about Tom Welling & keeping the new movie a reboot. Its a double standard because of actor preference

that's exactly why I prefer a new cast and crew for a reboot. Routh and Welling would only confuse people (that is, if they do a reboot).

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

The same can be said about Tom Welling & keeping the new movie a reboot. Its a double standard because of actor preference

that's exactly why I prefer a new cast and crew for a reboot. Routh and Welling would only confuse people (that is, if they do a reboot).

Agreed on both. As I have said many times I can understand the want and need for some fans to see Welling as Superman because I would love to see him become Superman as well on Smallville. But in a movie I think the best way to go is a complete reboot with an all new cast because for Welling fans to say you cant cast Routh because people would think its a sequel or a prequel to SR. The same can be said about Welling and say what you want about numbers but Smallville has divided Superman fans as much as Superman Returns. So the best way to go for a reboot is with a new cast.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

The same can be said about Tom Welling & keeping the new movie a reboot. Its a double standard because of actor preference

Huge difference between Routh and Welling (other than the obvious), in that Routh already starred in a movie as Superman that failed, whereas Welling stars as Clark Kent/proto-Superman on a successful TV show on a lesser TV Network. The reasons for not bringing back Routh dont apply to Welling since he wasnt the face of a movie franchise about the character.

Although let it be said, I'd be perfectly content with a new actor in a role that has no attachment to either franchise. While Tom is still ideal IMO, I'd reserve my tickets today if WB signed someone like a Henry Cavill, who has a decent look and the acting chops to pull off more than mimicing his predecessor. ABBR - any body but Routh. Nothing personal against the guy, he seems like a genuinely alright guy (except when he's pitching a fit about his makeup) but IMO he's stuck wearing Singer's scarlet letter.

 

[Whoa]

Huge difference between Routh and Welling (other than the obvious), in that Routh already starred in a movie as Superman that failed, whereas Welling stars as Clark Kent/proto-Superman on a successful TV show on a lesser TV Network. The reasons for not bringing back Routh dont apply to Welling since he wasnt the face of a movie franchise about the character.

Although let it be said, I'd be perfectly content with a new actor in a role that has no attachment to either franchise. While Tom is still ideal IMO, I'd reserve my tickets today if WB signed someone like a Henry Cavill, who has a decent look and the acting chops to pull off more than mimicing his predecessor. ABBR - any body but Routh. Nothing personal against the guy, he seems like a genuinely alright guy (except when he's pitching a fit about his makeup) but IMO he's stuck wearing Singer's scarlet letter.

If that helps you sleep better at night okay then. But the fact is both of these actors have to much Superman baggage. It applies to both of them. It is double standard & no I am not a Routh or Welling fan boy. I can go either way with who ever ends up getting cast when it comes to these two. But for the sake of a reboot a complete fresh start is needed in my opinion & that includes no Welling or Routh

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

If that helps you sleep better at night okay then. But the fact is both of these actors have to much Superman baggage. It applies to both of them. It is double standard & no I am not a Routh or Welling fan boy. I can go either way with who ever ends up getting cast when it comes to these two. But for the sake of a reboot a complete fresh start is needed in my opinion & that includes no Welling or Routh

You can keep repeating the "double standard" mantra all you want, but you still didnt refute my point about the differences in the two actors situations, which are night and day.

I'm not completely disputing the fact that a new actor wouldn't be a bad idea (as evidence by my cavill comment), my point is merely that you cant toss Welling into Routh's boat simply because he plays the same character and assume it's the same situation. Welling hasnt had nearly the visible failure that Routh did, and SV's audience is small enough that John Q. Public doesnt really know Welling past "that guy who plays Superman on TV" so it's not like they'll be trying to match plot points with Smallville like they would be with Superman Returns and a rebooted sequel starring Routh.

 

[Whoa]

We will have to agree to disagree on this one