Tom Welling as Superman

[Ultimate_Superman]

^ my SaveSuperman?

That is for putting me in the same class with those BT folks.

 

[Webhead2006]

Actually robinov was pretty clear in aug. He said that SR failed to put superman where they wanted the character to be and it failed for the studio. He clearly wants to reboot to start fresh and step away from the mess singer made with Sr. As for routh yea he may or may not be back but only thing on that front is he is friends with some high up wb execs and they would like to see him stay for sequel/reboot. But for me and i know many other fans they would like to see a total clean slate stepping away from the donnor/singer setting and an all new fresh cast.

But what ever wb is going to do with superman they need to get moving on that front. Beside the whole superman copyright lawsuit is still on going and come 2013 when shuster's heir goes to court on the copyright share wb/dc has over the sigels currently could go to shusters heir but who knows what is going to happen then.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Actually robinov was pretty clear in aug. He said that SR failed to put superman where they wanted the character to be and it failed for the studio. He clearly wants to reboot to start fresh and step away from the mess singer made with Sr. As for routh yea he may or may not be back but only thing on that front is he is friends with some high up wb execs and they would like to see him stay for sequel/reboot. But for me and i know many other fans they would like to see a total clean slate stepping away from the donnor/singer setting and an all new fresh cast.

But what ever wb is going to do with superman they need to get moving on that front. Beside the whole superman copyright lawsuit is still on going and come 2013 when shuster's heir goes to court on the copyright share wb/dc has over the sigels currently could go to shusters heir but who knows what is going to happen then.

All I am trying to say is that even though they would like to re introduce Superman we have no idea what type of movie it will be because all Robinov said is that he would like to reintroduce Superman but that could mean anything because although he may like a reboot he still has to go through 2 other people and those might want something different. Remember it is those two that want to keep Routh around. However I think we will proably be seeing a reboot with a compromise between the three. Meaning will reboot the series only if you keep our guy (Routh) much like James Bond but who knows things could change.

 

[Showtime]

Routh confirmed that Levitz had told him that he ie Levitz wants Routh back as Superman, what that means, anybody's guess. That being said this thread is about Tom Welling as Superman, let us keep it that way.

 

[Webhead2006]

YEa thats the problem with wb right now we have no clue what they want and where they are going. I do really hope that robinov can convince the others that keeping routh/doing a routh/singer sequel is not the best option to go with. Doing a complete and total clean slate is the best way to make an overall better film.

 

[Showtime]

What makes you think that Robinov and the others aren't on the same page.

 

[AgentPat]

What makes you think that Robinov and the others aren't on the same page.

What makes you think they are? Wouldn't a decision have been made by now? * That's not an invitation to ask me what makes me think a decision hasn't been made - I can only go by what's been announced by Warners and compare it to other studios.

I'd venture a guess the only page everybody agrees on right now is waiting on Nolan. Beyond that, it's making films that will have the best ROI at the end of the day. Problem is, not everybody at Warners - nay Hollywood in general - agree on the best means to that end. Making decisions on how to spend 200+ million dollars aint easy when you're rolling the dice on a board handicapped by investor expectation, company reputation, executive ego and personal friendship.


* Edited, because I don't feel like arguing in circles.

 

[JackMercy]

I'd venture a guess the only page everybody agrees on right now is waiting on Nolan. Beyond that, it's making films that will have the best ROI at the end of the day. Problem is, not everybody at Warners - nay Hollywood in general - agree on the best means to that end. Making decisions on how to spend 200+ million dollars aint easy when you're rolling the dice on a board handicapped by investor expectation, company reputation, executive ego and personal friendship.

Once again, Pat has boiled it down to the essentials

Or, as David Letterman has been known to say:
"Once again, you have crystallized my thoughts, eloquently..."

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea we just dont know what is truly going on in the heads of the warner brother execs. Hopefully they make the right decisions with the upcoming dc slates and i hope other characters can get kick butt films like batman have gotten.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Yea we just dont know what is truly going on in the heads of the warner brother execs.

Then why are you saying Robinov is having to "convince the others that keeping routh/doing a routh/singer sequel is not the best option to go with?"

 

[Showtime]

What makes you think they are? Wouldn't a decision have been made by now? * That's not an invitation to ask me what makes me think a decision hasn't been made - I can only go by what's been announced by Warners and compare it to other studios.

* Edited, because I don't feel like arguing in circles.

Huh?

I was trying to ask Webhead why he was under this impression, ie had he heard this info somewhere or was it his opinion. Not sure where "arguing" came into play, nor was I going to ask you why you think a decision hasn't been made.

I've heard nowhere that Robinov was against keeping Routh, seemed like a pretty legit question in my mind so I am not sure where you're coming from.

 

[AgentPat]

Once again, Pat has boiled it down to the essentials

Thanks Jack. Long time no chat. Good to see you posting.

Huh?

I was trying to ask Webhead why he was under this impression, ie had he heard this info somewhere or was it his opinion. Not sure where "arguing" came into play, nor was I going to ask you why you think a decision hasn't been made.

I've heard nowhere that Robinov was against keeping Routh, seemed like a pretty legit question in my mind so I am not sure where you're coming from.

I was heading off a standard response based on prior experience, not with you specifically but msg boards in general. The Superman film franchise topic is rife with circular arguments, baseless assumptions and negative rhetoric from both sides, and I'm tired of it. Despite my sporadic responses both here and on other boards, I didn't want to enter into that debate once again. I just post my opinion and I'm down the road.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

it's amazing the people that you see pop up in this thread...

 

[Serene]

it's amazing the people that you see pop up in this thread...

Soooo many SV fans.

 

[Webhead2006]

I meant we know a bit were some of the guys stand robinov wants to do a clean slate with supes were as horn he is open to having routh back in a sequel or even reboot(stupid mistake there). But its all down to who has the finale say in things.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

I meant we know a bit were some of the guys stand robinov wants to do a clean slate with supes were as horn he is open to having routh back in a sequel or even reboot(stupid mistake there). But its all down to who has the finale say in things.

Nope. There's been zero indication that Robinov is against doing anything. All he did was come out and say, "Singer's film didn't work and we're starting over with a 're-intro' film!"

Granted, he also promised an entire slate of DC films would be announced in a month...and that never happened.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

well in the end lets hope WB wises up and decides not bring along any of Singer or Routh's baggage to the next film. If either of them is back, the idea of retooling the franchsie goes completely out the window.

Especially given the current economic climate, I'd anticipate that studios will be looking at making these big money decisions with a lot more scrutiny, and unfortunately due to SR's lackluster performance, they may just shelve the entire Superman franchise for the time being.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

well in the end lets hope WB wises up and decides not bring along any of Singer or Routh's baggage to the next film. If either of them is back, the idea of retooling the franchsie goes completely out the window.

Especially given the current economic climate, I'd anticipate that studios will be looking at making these big money decisions with a lot more scrutiny, and unfortunately due to SR's lackluster performance, they may just shelve the entire Superman franchise for the time being.

No disrespect Hulk but the same could be said for if you have Tom Welling as Superman as well. I mean having a movie staring Tom Welling would also be posion to the Superman franchise if you look at it the way you do with Routh as Superman (in a reboot) because even though it may have nothing to do with SV the same amount of fans that did not care for SR to much still do not care for the show (SV) or him (Welling) in retrospect. The best way for the WB to truly go IMO is a fresh start with an all new cast that has never had anything to do with Superman before (trying out for the role doesn't count).

 

[RakuMon]

No disrespect Hulk but the same could be said for if you have Tom Welling as Superman as well. I mean having a movie staring Tom Welling would also be posion to the Superman franchise if you look at it the way you do with Routh as Superman (in a reboot) because even though it may have nothing to do with SV the same amount of fans that did not care for SR to much still do not care for the show (SV) or him (Welling) in retrospect. The best way for the WB to truly go IMO is a fresh start with an all new cast that has never had anything to do with Superman before (trying out for the role doesn't count).

Your honor, may I present to you evidence of Agent Pat's case against "circular arguments" over the Superman movie franchise.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Your honor, may I present to you evidence of Agent Pat's case against "circular arguments" over the Superman movie franchise.

I get what your saying but to say it is a bad move to use Routh in a reboot but a great move to use Welling is completely false when both of their respective franchises are equally disliked. Which why I say the best way to go is a fresh start all around. Because if your a Welling fan or Routh fan you can't use that argument without putting your respective franchise under the light as well. Nither should Superman IMO for the next movie although I like them both. The only reason why I can see Routh being Superman still is because he does have a huge base of fan support (as much as Welling) and the W.B. likes him and he is easy to work with and cheap. But I still think it is a bad move on their part to keep him for a reboot.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

No disrespect Hulk but the same could be said for if you have Tom Welling as Superman as well. I mean having a movie staring Tom Welling would also be posion to the Superman franchise if you look at it the way you do with Routh as Superman (in a reboot) because even though it may have nothing to do with SV the same amount of fans that did not care for SR to much still do not care for the show (SV) or him (Welling) in retrospect. The best way for the WB to truly go IMO is a fresh start with an all new cast that has never had anything to do with Superman before (trying out for the role doesn't count).

Welling's "baggage" is nothing like Routh's baggage. Welling is the star of the longest running superhero show on TV ever where he ironically enough plays a precursor to Superman. While not insanely popular in terms of TV ratings numbers (mostly due to its network and spotty writing in some seasons), the show and guy has a rabid, worldwide following. 30 seconds on Google will tell you all you need to know.

Routh's baggage is being the face of a failed Superman film that didn't inspire and had a mediocre at best ROI for WB. Hence the reason its been dead in the water for the past 2 years. The guy already had his shot in a film, and he and Singer blew it. Too bad.

And your repeated attempts to somehow quantify who likes what and who doesnt are laughable and somewhat sad. it's like arguing with an 8 year old.

 

[Syncos]

No disrespect Hulk but the same could be said for if you have Tom Welling as Superman as well. I mean having a movie staring Tom Welling would also be posion to the Superman franchise if you look at it the way you do with Routh as Superman (in a reboot) because even though it may have nothing to do with SV the same amount of fans that did not care for SR to much still do not care for the show (SV) or him (Welling) in retrospect. The best way for the WB to truly go IMO is a fresh start with an all new cast that has never had anything to do with Superman before (trying out for the role doesn't count).

That's a great point. Except for the fact that a movie with routh and singer wouldn't be a reboot at all. It would be a sequel. A movie with Welling would still be a reboot to the superman franchise.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Welling's "baggage" is nothing like Routh's baggage. Welling is the star of the longest running superhero show on TV ever where he ironically enough plays a precursor to Superman. While not insanely popular in terms of TV ratings numbers (mostly due to its network and spotty writing in some seasons), the show and guy has a rabid, worldwide following. 30 seconds on Google will tell you all you need to know.

Routh's baggage is being the face of a failed Superman film that didn't inspire and had a mediocre at best ROI for WB. Hence the reason its been dead in the water for the past 2 years. The guy already had his shot in a film, and he and Singer blew it. Too bad.

And your repeated attempts to somehow quantify who likes what and who doesnt are laughable and somewhat sad. it's like arguing with an 8 year old.

I would debate this with you but I already see where this argument will go and I will not give Pat that satisfaction.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

I would debate this with you but I already see where this argument will go and I will not give Pat that satisfaction.

you already have

 

[triplet]

This will just go around and around...