Tom Welling as Superman

[Zing79]

Yeah but the point was, L&C was very popular in it's prime (When did SV get 21 million viewers? ) They could have made a new Superman movie at the height of it's (L&C) popularity but waited until they could do it right. SV's ratings or popularity didn't contribute to a thing, this has been in the making for over 10 years now Whatever the quality of SV was going to be, didn't matter, the show was based off of the Superman universe so it was going to do at least ok. It really hasn't exceeded expectations imo, it's met them which is good. Meeting the expectations is not the reason a new Superman movie is happening however, like I said it's been in development limbo forever. Long before SV was ever made they were trying to get this off the ground.

Normally I just blow you off, but not this time. This time I'm gonna dance with you for once.
FINE, L&C's 21 million viewers cannot now, or EVER be matched by SV.
1-0 L&C
Now let's dance:
SV's going into syndication (heavy syndication), and has been for years already. Fail to produce any tangible evidence to show me that L&C matched that now, or EVER, and we're all squared up.
Bring it!

 

[triplet]

 

[dark_b]

welling has some big arms.

 

[Milkman95]

Milkman, you're too funny. Like your opinion isn't equally strong and biased? The pot and the kettle, you know what I mean?

Nah, just objective and non-biased. If you call that hypocritical, so be it.

Remember, I do watch the show and I think it's good for the most part.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

I wouldn't doubt the popularity of SV being a kick in the pants for WB to seriously get the ball rolling on a new Superman movie...

My how people forget SV as good as it is didn't jump start Superman Returns. Batman Vs Superman jump started both Batman Begins and Superman Returns. Remember that movie was already suppose to have come out but then the WB wanted to reintroduce Batman and Superman to the public after getting a new Superman movie script(suit in a can script) but still the WB liked it so much they wanted a new Superman movie first and thats what kick started Superman Returns and Batman Begins. I am not doing the search but if you look up old interviews they talk about why that movie fell apart and it was because of that not SV. SV was in its first season or about to start it when they were talking about Superman vs Batman and when it fell apart. As much as many of you would like to think SV is the center of everything good happening with Superman it wasn't it plays its part here and there but is not the center.

 

[NHawk19]

Ahh... the trickle-down effect...gotta love it.

I was just going to make you guys and gals aware of this darn thing, but you are all great bloodhounds (in the nicest way), everybody is so quick on the button, instant news arrives before the instant!!


Anyway, in regards to the subject at hand...

Nothing wrong with speculating Whatsoever...
(hey, if Fox can do it with the X...)

I remember a story my local delivery guy was telling me once, about some customer who ordered a veggie because they claimed that they didn't make the supreme with the kind of topping he wanted... until they informed him that, oh yes, that topping was definitely available, and in fact if and when the cirumstances demanded it, they'd fully incorporate it into the menu...


For those wondering more about my pizza delivery guy...
(and those with a question mark over their heads right now)

My delivery guy isn't required to wear a uniform...but despite the stigma associated with his restaurant, he's not --and never has been-- adverse to putting one on ...should they ask him nicely enough...

but how do you not know that topping is available don't you atleast ask

ah pizza, is there anything it can't do?

course I'm thinking some of the posters here would want the # for Jacks shop so they can order a pie.

 

[avidreader]

Best. Jack. Post. EVER!




The first person that asks for a translation to THAT post should be shot. ROFLMFAO!!!!

I actually understood it. I ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD IT.

Maybe I didnt but I just think I did.

 

[BaK]

I actually understood it. I ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD IT.

Maybe I didnt but I just think I did.

And maybe I did, I just think I didn't

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Normally I just blow you off, but not this time. This time I'm gonna dance with you for once.
FINE, L&C's 21 million viewers cannot now, or EVER be matched by SV.
1-0 L&C
Now let's dance:
SV's going into syndication (heavy syndication), and has been for years already. Fail to produce any tangible evidence to show me that L&C matched that now, or EVER, and we're all squared up.
Bring it!

Bring what? I don't know of any ABC shows that go to "heavy syndication"

You have no point

The WB is expendable. Do you see SV airing on major networks like ABC or NBC? No. You can probably catch an episode of SV on some family channel or upn. Wow what a victory

LMAO

 

[Zing79]

Bring what? I don't know of any ABC shows that go to "heavy syndication"

I couldn't care any less what you don't know because....

You have no point

I couldn't care any less if you're too vapid to follow the point because...

The WB is expendable. Do you see SV airing on major networks like ABC or NBC? No. You can probably catch an episode of SV on some family channel or upn. Wow what a victory

I couldn't care any less if it doesn't air on ABC or NBC because...

LMAO

I couldn't care any less if you're capable of laughing your ass off because...

...As expected, you put on a leotard and gave me a fancy song and dance number instead of providing me a single piece of evidence to show me that L&C was heavily syndicated (even on some family channel or upn) now, or EVER!
1-1

Let's keep the party going:
Kryptonsite, DTS, Smallville PH, Smallville News, Planete Smallville.
5 Regularly updated sites whose sole job is to provide an outlet for a large online fan base.
Provide 5 links to websites whose sole job is/was to provide an outlet for L&C fans (sites must have a forum so that registered members can be counted, and to assure its not a fan site that registered 2 hits a day). Fail to produce that and it’s 2-1 SV.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

I couldn't care any less what you don't know because....

I couldn't care any less if you're too vapid to follow the point because...

I couldn't care any less if it doesn't air on ABC or NBC because...

I couldn't care any less if you're capable of laughing your ass off because...

...As expected, you put on a leotard and gave me a fancy song and dance number instead of providing me a single piece of evidence to show me that L&C was heavily syndicated (even on some family channel or upn) now, or EVER!
1-1

Let's keep the party going:
Kryptonsite, DTS, Smallville PH, Smallville News, Planete Smallville.
5 Regularly updated sites whose sole job is to provide an outlet for a large online fan base.
Provide 5 links to websites whose sole job is/was to provide an outlet for L&C fans (sites must have a forum so that registered members can be counted, and to assure its not a fan site that registered 2 hits a day). Fail to produce that and it’s 2-1 SV.

Once again to be fair you put websites up but the internet wasn't as big as it was then as it is now. As I said before its an unfair battle both did well for thier time periods.

 

[JackMercy]

This is usually Pat's domain, but...

Sorry, JC, I have to jump in here...

I think one of the many things Zing may be referring to is the very fact that Smallville has syndication, and syndication makes Big $$$$ -- sometimes bigger $$$$ than a show might make in a network broadcast's lifetime -- don't you know??

Also, you might want to check out this very insightful post from "another" thread somewhere else:

TheSuperBatFan wrote:

Smallville has something that neither Superboy or Lois and Clark had. It's a Warner Brothers show on a Warner Brothers owned network. Superboy was a viacom show and a show where the Salkinds still owned the rights. It was killed prematurely when Warner Brothers got the rights back. Lois & Clark was pretty much killed by ABC as they kept changing it's time slot, ultimately leaving it on Saturday night. It was doing well enough to have survived to a 5th season had ABC left it alone. Smallville has an advantage that neither of the other shows had. It also has the advantage of the fact that Welling very likely won't be dying anytime soon, which is what prevented The Adventures of Superman continuing, pretty much ensuring that Smallville will win the title of longest running Superman show. Especially when Smallville is one of the WB's highest rated shows.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224444&page=3


I really don't think L&C has quite the broad cross-marketing appeal that SV has, now or ever...

JC, SV "really hasn't exceeded expectations"?

I think some very important WB people would be happy to refute you on that -- quite strongly.


[sigh]

Sometimes, even I gotta step up.

 

[Zing79]

Once again to be fair you put websites up but the internet wasn't as big as it was then as it is now. As I said before its an unfair battle both did well for thier time periods.

You mean as unfair as quoting ratings from a time period when ratings were higher, and from a network that is FAR larger then the WB? As unfair as that?
If he gets to do it, then I get to do it

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

You mean as unfair as quoting ratings from a time period when ratings were higher, and from a network that is FAR larger them the WB? As unfair as that?
If he gets to do it, then I get to do it

Oh okay I understand now. Why not just be the bigger person and say both we're good in their respectful rights.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

This is usually Pat's domain, but...

Sorry, JC, I have to jump in here...

I think one of the many things Zing may be referring to is the very fact that Smallville has syndication, and syndication makes Big $$$$ -- sometimes bigger $$$$ than a show might make in a network broadcast's lifetime -- don't you know??

Also, you might want to check out this very insightful post from "another" thread somewhere else:

TheSuperBatFan wrote:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224444&page=3


I really don't think L&C has quite the broad cross-marketing appeal that SV has, now or ever...

JC, SV "really hasn't exceeded expectations"?

I think some very important WB people would be happy to refute you on that -- quite strongly.


[sigh]

Sometimes, even I gotta step up.

Oh it did but your right ABC killed it once they lost the rights to it because it was making money and if they couldn't have it no one could.. L&C had books and brought proably the biggest thing into Superman's life(him marrying Lois). Lois and Clark if on the WB would have made it to about 7 seasons as well. Sadly the truth is we'll never know see it is gone. I mean it had the fan base and everything it was just the network they were on was their downfall

 

[Zing79]

Oh okay I understand now. Why not just be the bigger person and say both we're good in their respectful rights.

You have me mistaken as an L&C hater. I watched that show religiously. Even when they moved it around I still found it. Don't kid yourself: if they brought that show back right now, I'd watch it like it never went off the air
It's not about playing down L&C, it’s about pointing out to "Mr. can't be happy today, unless I infuriate someone who likes SV" that his nonsense needs limits.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Sv>>>>>>>>>>>>>L&C

 

[Gmanofsteel]

Do you see SV airing on major networks like ABC or NBC?

Considering how much nbc jokes how much most of their own shows suck, having Smallville would be a blessing for them

 

[AgentPat]

Y'know Jack, I never bothered to even read that thread over yonder. I made an assumption based on the thread title and said no thanks. Kinda funny. Just how many other threads *does* that name pop up in, anyway? Warms my widdle heart, donchaknow?

Now I'm debating if it's worth replying there.

As to the L&C vs. SV thing, I just laugh. It's like the "doesn't want to be Superman" arguments. Both are kinda pointless debates.

That said, I do enjoy reading Zing's posts. He has such a lovely way with words. LOL

 

[triplet]

Considering how much nbc jokes how much most of their own shows suck, having Smallville would be a blessing for them

Actually, NBC was in a bidding war for Smallville when the Pilot first came out.... It could have easily have been on that network instead.

The only reason why The WB won, they actually bid less, was because Warners could maximize their profits by showing it on The WB...

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

SV would not have lasted more than 2 seasons if it were on ABC instead of the WB.

 

[Zing79]

SV would not have lasted more than 2 seasons if it were on ABC instead of the WB.

Put this on, and then go stand in the corner and think about how stupid a comment that is.

 

[triplet]

*snort*

 

[AgentPat]

*snort*

LOL! Toldja.

They update the score yet? Is it still 2-1?




Annnnywaaay, while I'm here, I neglected to add this shot to the discussion we had a few pages ago.

Rutger Hauer is 6'2"...

And on a more recent topic, it's Friday. I want pizza!!

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Back on topic - nice leaps Tom !
http://www.flickr.com/photos/donaldlaw/116232320/in/set-973363/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/donaldlaw/116232319/in/set-973363/