Tom Welling as Superman

[NHawk19]

And on a more recent topic, it's Friday. I want pizza!!

Looking for the numer to Jack's shop?

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Put this on, and then go stand in the corner and think about how stupid a comment that is.

No really he makes a point would SV have lasted as long on ABC if they switched around the time slots like they did L&C and not even telling people like how they also did with L&C.

 

[Zing79]

No really he makes a point would SV have lasted as long on ABC if they switched around the time slots like they did L&C and not even telling people like how they also did with L&C.

You mean like how they've moved Smallville around 3 times on the WB and it still maintaned most of its audience?

Mini-Rant no longer part of answering the quote:
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You know what l love most? You go to the SR forum and even suggest that movie might not make 500 million, and its "Flame on" despite the fact over there its speculation.

But you come here, and its perfectly fine to say that a show that has lasted five years, been syndicated up the wazzo, made enough money to fill a lake for its parent company isn't as popular as people think. Despite the fact SV has enough evidence to make an open and shut case about it.

SV knocked down a few pegs (does not) = SR "is/will be" a better movie. I just wish people would GET that.

 

[Zing79]

LOL! Toldja.

They update the score yet? Is it still 2-1?

You two sending PM's to each other about that or something? I could have told you before that even got going he was going to simply ignore me and move onto his next "turrets syndrome" moment.

That's all it is with him. Enter the SV forum; say something incredibly stupid, and then wait to make his next statement.

 

[Serene]

SV knocked down a few pegs (does not) = SR "is/will be" a better movie. I just wish people would GET that.

Some people will never get the point because they simply don't want to. But I'm glad there are a few people like Zing standing their/our ground.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

You mean like how they've moved Smallville around 3 times on the WB and it still maintaned most of its audience?

But thats because

1. Its on a smaller network
2. The WB kept telling us before it happened
3. The Internet also reminded us.

With L&C the didn't tell you they just expected you to find it.

 

[Zing79]

But thats because

1. Its on a smaller network
2. The WB kept telling us before it happened
3. The Internet also reminded us.

With L&C the didn't tell you they just expected you to find it.

Since we're dealing with the theoretical:
Theoretically every drone who comes in here from on yonder, would STAY on yonder, but clearly we live in *Magic Land, and in *Magic Land SV has made enough money to pay for SR.

*Magic Land is known by various names, most notably REALITY!!!!.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Since we're dealing with the theoretical:
Theoretically every drone who comes in here from on yonder, would STAY on yonder, but clearly we live in *Magic Land, and in *Magic Land SV has made enough money to pay for SR.

*Magic Land is known by various names, most notably REALITY!!!!.

LOL I like that one. Dont get me wrong I agree with I am just saying L&C wasn't given the same fairness as SV. Thats all.

 

[musclesforsupes]

If I had to rank where every mythology of Superman Ranks in my opinion it goes like this.

1. The Christopher Reeve movies
2. Smallville
3. Superboy
4. Superman Returns
5. Lois and Clark
6. Comics
7. The George Reeve Shows
8. The Challenge of the Superfriends
9. The Super Powers Cartoon
10.The New Superman Cartoons
11. The Superfriends *with the wonder twins*
12. The Alyn movies and shows
13. The old OLD original cartoons from the 30s and 40s.

 

[AgentPat]

^ Ooooo. Interesting. A wee bit off topic for this thread - not that debates over how well SV would have done in L&C's place are any MORE on topic, but...



Zing, no behind the scenes PM's goin' on, just livin' in reality... err, Magic Land.

 

[triplet]

You know what l love most? You go to the SR forum and even suggest that movie might not make 500 million, and its "Flame on" despite the fact over there its speculation.

But you come here, and its perfectly fine to say that a show that has lasted five years, been syndicated up the wazzo, made enough money to fill a lake for its parent company isn't as popular as people think. Despite the fact SV has enough evidence to make an open and shut case about it.

SV knocked down a few pegs (does not) = SR "is/will be" a better movie. I just wish people would GET that.

You know, it's almost like a cult...

Thou Shalt Accept The Way of Superman Returns or Thou Shall be Shunned!


Here it's okay to bash away and no one seems to mind except some more reasonably minded individuals....

 

[The Caped Knight]

Mythology of Superman - in my opinion

1. Post Crisis Comics

2. SUPERMAN movies featuring Christopher Reeve

3. Smallville

4. Lois & Clark

5. SUPERMAN : The Animated Series

6. Justice League & JLU

7. Adventures of Superman tv show - George Reeve

8. Superman Movie Serials - Kirk Alyn

9. Ruby-Spears Superman Cartoons

10. Fleischer Superman Cartoons

11. Superboy - Gerard Christopher

12 . Superfriends

note : Superman Returns isn't out yet, When I see It I'll add it to the list.

 

[JackMercy]

You guys should really appreciate those Fleischer cartoons a little more...!

Great stuff!




Gotta fly!

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Mythology of Superman - in my opinion

1. Pre and Post Crisis comics
2. Reeve movies
3. Superman Radio shows(I have them all very good)
4. Fleischer Superman
5. Ruby Superman
6. Timm Superman
7. JL and JLU
8. Smallville as a cannon to
9. Lois and Clark
10. AOS -Reeves
11. Superboy
12. Superfriends
13. Superman Movie Serials

I'll judge Superman returns after I see it.

 

[JackMercy]

Looking for the number to Jack's shop?

That shop's actually re-designing their business model right now...

But when there's enough demand, I'm sure they'll be ready to re-open!

I think it may be scheduled for sometime round... 08?

(NHawk, I'd just like the number to the girl in your avatar... )

 

[Serene]

That shop's actually re-designing their business model right now...

But when there's enough demand, I'm sure they'll be ready to re-open!

I think it may be scheduled for sometime round... 08?

So perhaps in 2 years Jack will be ready to share his full menu with us?

*sigh* But I was hungry NOW.

 

[avidreader]

(NHawk, I'd just like the number to the girl in your avatar... )

I'd be happy for the number of the guy in mine.

 

[NHawk19]

(NHawk, I'd just like the number to the girl in your avatar... )

Vida Guerra . . . .yeah me too of course my gf would kill me

Though the contents behind the number can be seen in a google of ways.

 

[KikiDee]

So perhaps in 2 years Jack will be ready to share his full menu with us?

*sigh* But I was hungry NOW.

Me too!

So Jaaaaaaaaaaaccccccck, this pizza that's already been delivered, is it tasty? I mean is it worth the delivery charge?

 

[Serene]

I'd be happy for the number of the guy in mine.

Love the new avy, avid.

I have an idea for a new one, but I hate to give up my current one. Such a dilemma.

 

[avidreader]

Love the new avy, avid.

I have an idea for a new one, but I hate to give up my current one. Such a dilemma.

Thanks, I made it myself. First time.

Change yours. At least so we can have a look.

 

[Max]

Yeah but the point was, L&C was very popular in it's prime (When did SV get 21 million viewers? )

When was SV on a major network to get 21 million viewers? How many years ago was L&C on network television? The viewing audience and its percentages have changed quite a lot since then. This dance has been done already.

They could have made a new Superman movie at the height of it's (L&C) popularity but waited until they could do it right. SV's ratings or popularity didn't contribute to a thing, this has been in the making for over 10 years now

You can't really make a statement like this JC unless you're in the studios making the decisions. SV didn't contribute a thing is your opinion, so I'll take it as such.

Whatever the quality of SV was going to be, didn't matter, the show was based off of the Superman universe so it was going to do at least ok. It really hasn't exceeded expectations imo, it's met them which is good. Meeting the expectations is not the reason a new Superman movie is happening however, like I said it's been in development limbo forever. Long before SV was ever made they were trying to get this off the ground.

There's never a guarantee of anything with regard to success. You take a leap of faith and hope the viewers latch on. With SV, they did, and have continued to do so for five plus years. The ratings, in fact, are going up after five years. I don't think that happened with L&C.

As for your last paragraph, you may be right.

 

[AgentPat]

...It's just like how anyone who is not so fond of a certain Mr. W. definitely, truly, believes --without a doubt-- that Mr. W. has said, repeatedly, that he "does not want to wear the Superman suit."

...Which is actually not true whatsoever...

(Moved from the "News from AG" thread." I wanted to keep it on topic here.)

Kinda funny how this topic ebs and flows, but Never. Goes. Away. There's a reason for that; I just hope Warners has been keeping score.

I think what most people don't understand is that Welling is in a very sticky situation. (I believe even Erica Durance used that term when asked about her and Tom's interest in a Superman film - she called it a "sticky question.") People extrapolate Welling's opinions on being Superman based on old interviews, the comments of which are often taken out of context. Wizard Magazine, anybody? It's two years later now. Amazing how things change, eh? Just about the only thing he got "right" back then was how long he thought SV would last. Notice those questions are ALL related to SV. But when it comes to a potential film, the only comments Welling has ever made publicly relate to the consequences of such a decision, not his desire - or lack thereof - to play the character in a feature film to begin with. It's a case of absence of evidence equaling evidence for some people.

So, what about that "sticky" predicament? Well, I think it's a LOT bigger than most people imagine. For starters, as an employee of Warners, Welling has an obligation to the company to not undermine their profit making endeavors, regardless of how much it relates to him on a personal or professional level. Any public comments he makes about his interest or lack thereof of taking SV - its characters and backstory - to the big screen, would have a ripple effect on at least one of the franchises. Which one depends on what was said.

Welling is young, but he's FAR from being the naïve kid that he portrays when he plays Clark Kent on SV. He's got a lot of fans, and he knows it. That knowledge affords him quite a bit of power at the negotiation table, so he's not going to say anything stupid that might piss off his fanbase. He also needs to maintain the appreciation and respect of his employers by keeping them in the black. They're the ones that pay him to do a job that he loves. Given the situation where two banjos are dueling in the distance, the best approach is to ****. Lay low and learn the fine art of deflecting sticky questions if and when asked. In a recent interview, Welling said (paraphrasing) that he's learned how to be patient in this biz. Funny how *that* comment wasn't further read into and extrapolated for all it was worth.

 

[Kane]

Wow. This comparison between 'Lois and Clark' and 'Smallville' is ridiculous. Lois and Clark was pretty much the sitcom version of Superman while Smallville takes on the teen soap angle. I doubt too much of Smallville's non-comic book WB audience was watching L+C back in the day. It failed after four seasons because it was just a bad concept which wasnt overly popular in the longrun.

I do think Smallville puts much more effort in trying to nail the Clark Kent character properly than L+C ever did with Superman (which seemed almost like a 90s parody of the hero).

What were getting on Smallville is way better than the crap we got with Lois and Clark!

 

[BareKnucklez]

If I had to rank where every mythology of Superman Ranks in my opinion it goes like this.

1. The Christopher Reeve movies
2. Smallville
3. Superboy
4. Superman Returns
5. Lois and Clark
6. Comics
7. The George Reeve Shows
8. The Challenge of the Superfriends
9. The Super Powers Cartoon
10.The New Superman Cartoons
11. The Superfriends *with the wonder twins*
12. The Alyn movies and shows
13. The old OLD original cartoons from the 30s and 40s.

This would be my list...
01. Comics
02. Superman 1 - 3
03. Smallville
04. Lois and Clark
05. Superboy
06. The New Superman Cartoons
07. The Alyn movies and shows
08. The Challenge of the Superfriends
09. The Super Powers Cartoon
10. Superman Returns
11. The George Reeve Shows
12. The Superfriends *with the wonder twins*
13. The old OLD original cartoons from the 30s and 40s.