Tom Welling as Superman

[AgentPat]

where do you think an 800 lb gorilla would sleep pat?

In this case? I'd like to think right in the middle of a boardroom table at Warners Features.

But seriously, I'd imagine there's a lot of frazzled nerves in Burbank right now. I'd also be willing to bet that for every frayed end there's a different suggestion being offered on what to do next, both in long and short terms. There's no easy fix, and as much as I'd love to see SV graduate up to films after its completed its run on television, they still have to get good scriptwriters, mind their production costs, woodshed appropriate release windows and devise a killer marketing plan. Sometimes, the most obvious elements are the ones that aren't as simple as they appear.

 

[Kaboom]

just a hunch, but maybe fans arent ready to see their super heroes battle things like growing islands or fathers/anger within.

maybe they just want to see hulk rage and smash stuff up and see superman in wondrous action like battling darkseid(maybe thats why people say the best part of the movie was the airplane scene).

i mean characterization is great and im all for it, but a super hero movie has to have super spectacular action, i.e. spider-man, blade, batman begins. thats what i think was missing.

 

[AgentPat]

just a hunch, but maybe fans aren't ready to see their super heroes battle things like growing islands or fathers/anger within.

maybe they just want to see hulk rage and smash stuff up and see superman in wondrous action like battling darkseid(maybe that's why people say the best part of the movie was the airplane scene).

i mean characterization is great and im all for it, but a super hero movie has to have super spectacular action, i.e. spider-man, blade, batman begins. that's what i think was missing.

Hee! Well, I agree 110%. I think I HORRIFIED our favorite pizzaman when I told him that one of my secret fantasies was to see a Superman flick helmed by Michael Bay.

Yeah, I'll probably never live that one down.

Honestly, all I personally want from a summer popcorn movie is to have a lot of fun. I want to fall in love with the (super)hero and envy his girlfriend - if not the actress who *plays* the GF (LOL). I want the visuals to be mind blowing and the music appropriately triumphant and/or heartfelt. I want the characters to be witty and have snappy dialog so I can laugh with them, not at them. A fantasy movie about the greatest superhero ever known should be the equivalent of a wild roller coaster ride. I don't notice the chipped paint or ripped seats when my arms are in the air and I'm screaming my head off as the car banks and flips upside down at 80 miles per hour.

Savvy?

*ahem*

 

[TKodami]

Tmtsnbn?

The Movie That Shall Not Be Named.



edit: this board uses odd font sizes.

 

[TKodami]

Hee! Well, I agree 110%. I think I HORRIFIED our favorite pizzaman when I told him that one of my secret fantasies was to see a Superman flick helmed by Michael Bay.

Yeah, I'll probably never live that one down.

Honestly, all I personally want from a summer popcorn movie is to have a lot of fun. I want to fall in love with the (super)hero and envy his girlfriend - if not the actress who *plays* the GF (LOL). I want the visuals to be mind blowing and the music appropriately triumphant and/or heartfelt. I want the characters to be witty and have snappy dialog so I can laugh with them, not at them. A fantasy movie about the greatest superhero ever known should be the equivalent of a wild roller coaster ride. I don't notice the chipped paint or ripped seats when my arms are in the air and I'm screaming my head off as the car banks and flips upside down at 80 miles per hour.

Savvy?

*ahem*

Which is a totally fine thing to want. Course I don't agree with it, since I adore and love what we received, but if one were to make an action-packed movie with a whole lot of --let's be serious, I'd still love it, just not as much...but I can't help it! I love all of Supes' incarnations.

Of course, I think that none of us want to see another origin story, even three or five years down the road. I'm frankly sick to death of new takes on Superman's origin. Superman Begins is already being done amazingly right on television right now anyway.

Anyhow, I'm going to tip-toe away from this subject now. I don't want to be hit with any ban-sticks. Or make anyone stop reading my posts or anything.

 

[Hollywoodland]

Zing, this is so SR discussion. It should probably end here. I got into some trouble by making that previous SR thread, so I think its prudent to end the discussion about the film and even its Box office here. Theres threads for this in the \S/ forum.

TKodami, Pat is entitled to his views but if you want to debate points like that, you should probably take it to the other forum too.

I'm not sure why the admins are so strict about this stuff but they enforce it when you least expect it.

 

[TKodami]

TKodami, Pat is entitled to his views but if you want to debate points like that, you should probably take it to the other forum too.

Nope, I don't want to debate her at all. I'm completely cool with her views. As I said, I love all versions of Supes. And I would love to see different interpretations on the screen, too--including her preferred action-fest extravaganza. Just maybe not a Michael Bay flick, heheh.

The urge to talk about all things Superman is just so hard to resist. But look at me, I'm shutting up now. For real.

 

[AgentPat]

...The urge to talk about all things Superman is just so hard to resist. But look at me, I'm shutting up now. For real.

There's no reason you *should* shut up. We're not even debating. We're discussing what we'd like to see in a Smallville movie. While everybody in this forum may have different opinions about story, villain(s), music, direction and overall content, it's being discussed in THIS thread because the cast for such a hypothetical film is a given. Otherwise, the Misc. Superman Film Forum would be a more appropriate place, and I think the regs are very much aware of that. Nobody needs to be reminded, especially by n00bs.

It seems obvious to me that everybody is trying to have a pleasant conversation about a very SV-related topic. We're minding our own business and being respectful of everybody's opinions. Nobody is acting like an arse or baiting. In short, there are no trolls here, and I think everybody would like to keep it like that. So, if the conversation doesn't appeal to folks, I'd suggest finding another thread or forum. I'd hope that folks here could just be left alone to discuss SV and its future.

Thanks.

 

[Kaboom]

entourage last night....james cameron wasnt signed for Aquaman 2...instead, its Michael Bay.

to which Vince's immediate response was "That's it. I'm off the movie."

 

[Kaboom]

There's no reason you *should* shut up. We're not even debating. We're discussing what we'd like to see in a Smallville movie. While everybody in this forum may have different opinions about story, villain(s), music, direction and overall content, it's being discussed in THIS thread because the cast for such a hypothetical film is a given. Otherwise, the Misc. Superman Film Forum would be a more appropriate place, and I think the regs are very much aware of that. Nobody needs to be reminded, especially by n00bs.

It seems obvious to me that everybody is trying to have a pleasant conversation about a very SV-related topic. We're minding our own business and being respectful of everybody's opinions. Nobody is acting like an arse or baiting. In short, there are no trolls here, and I think everybody would like to keep it like that. So, if the conversation doesn't appeal to folks, I'd suggest finding another thread or forum. I'd hope that folks here could just be left alone to discuss SV and its future.

Thanks.

hows that helmet fitting pat?!?!?!

 

[NHawk19]

Hee! Well, I agree 110%. I think I HORRIFIED our favorite pizzaman when I told him that one of my secret fantasies was to see a Superman flick helmed by Michael Bay.

Yeah, I'll probably never live that one down.

Honestly, all I personally want from a summer popcorn movie is to have a lot of fun. I want to fall in love with the (super)hero and envy his girlfriend - if not the actress who *plays* the GF (LOL). I want the visuals to be mind blowing and the music appropriately triumphant and/or heartfelt. I want the characters to be witty and have snappy dialog so I can laugh with them, not at them. A fantasy movie about the greatest superhero ever known should be the equivalent of a wild roller coaster ride. I don't notice the chipped paint or ripped seats when my arms are in the air and I'm screaming my head off as the car banks and flips upside down at 80 miles per hour.

Savvy?

*ahem*

Hence the reason POTC 2 is doing so well. It wasnt a work of cinematic excellence, it wasn't a wondrous new revelation in film making or story telling, but it had all those elements you listed above. It was a good ride.

Now as far as SV goes I for one think a complete re-boot wouldnt be necessary, but a Birthright for all seasons would be nice.

 

[Serene]

There really isn’t that much to discuss, its pretty cut and dry if you ask me.

I don’t see SR having any effect on SV – it’s an established brand at this point, with a built in audience. That audience isn’t going away because of SR. It doesn’t mean it won’t erode if the show gets stale, but any erosion shouldn’t happen because of the movie.

Same goes for new fans. Any increase in viewership will most likely come from the expansion of the CW network, and not from people who went to see SR and had never seen SV.

I agree with the SR not having any negative affect on SV, but I do think there's potential for some new viewers who have maybe had their Superman interest piqued (or re-piqued) to perhaps decide to check out that SV show they've heard about, but never watched before.

You get an "A" for your response though.
Now where's my apple?

 

[TKodami]

Hence the reason POTC 2 is doing so well. It wasnt a work of cinematic excellence, it wasn't a wondrous new revelation in film making or story telling, but it had all those elements you listed above. It was a good ride.

Now as far as SV goes I for one think a complete re-boot wouldnt be necessary, but a Birthright for all seasons would be nice.

It would be great to follow CK around the world and see him starting off at the Daily Planet without having to tell the earlier origin stuff again. I think Smallville's really nailing his high school years. Don't think I need to see them re-interpreted for a little while longer.

I'd really love to see a movie where the core characters from SV deal with the arrival of Superman. One interesting dynamic I'd love to see at play is Lex's utter state of denial in regards to Clark. Even though he knows Clark is "special," anything other than Clark bearing his soul to Lex has led him to say "Clark, you're not yourself--how else could you do this thing, etc. etc." That, more than wicked cool explosions, would put my butt in the seat.

Course, we still need to put AgentPat's butt in the seat, so we've gotta have those too! Hehe.

I was watching the Third Superman:TAS collection yesterday, and I really loved the episode "New Kids on the Block," where the Legion of Superheroes visits a young Clark Kent in Smallville. It is only one of one a handful of TAS episodes that touch on the SV years and it made me realize how much I missed that part of Supes' life in other tellings of the story.

I agree with the SR not having any negative affect on SV, but I do think there's potential for some new viewers who have maybe had their Superman interest piqued (or re-piqued) to perhaps decide to check out that SV show they've heard about, but never watched before.

Out of the friends I took to see SR, one was an SV fan, the others weren't. They all enjoyed the movie--so I'm going to try get the rest of 'em addicted to SV if I can.

 

[Desk]

You know, it occurs to me that Smallville has been shot on high-grade film stock, and in widescreen...

Wouldn't it be possible for a SV film to use footage from the TV series, perhaps as a sort of "montage" recapping key events from the show?

Imagine that... a Superman film where you actually see the lead character visibly age from teenager to adult, and unlike the use of Jeff East and Chris Reeve it's actually the same actor all the way through.

 

[AgentPat]

entourage last night....james cameron wasn't signed for Aquaman 2...instead, its Michael Bay.

to which Vince's immediate response was "That's it. I'm off the movie."

LMFAO!!!

hows that helmet fitting pat?!?!?!

Tight around the temples, but I'll live. I've got plenty of Tylenol.

I'd really love to see a movie where the core characters from SV deal with the arrival of Superman. One interesting dynamic I'd love to see at play is Lex's utter state of denial in regards to Clark...

From your mouth to their ears! Please, let this happen. PLEASE!!!!!

Course, we still need to put AgentPat's butt in the seat, so we've gotta have those too! Hehe.

Pfffft! Welling reading from a phone book would put *my* butt in any theater seat LOL, but that's just me. That said, a newly evolving love story between his Superman and Durance's Lois Lane, with lots of crazy action, witty dialog, a Birthright-like story and new music would be icing on a cake the size of Mt. Everest for me. Bring. It. ON!!!!!

You know, it occurs to me that Smallville has been shot on high-grade film stock, and in widescreen...

Wouldn't it be possible for a SV film to use footage from the TV series, perhaps as a sort of "montage" recapping key events from the show?

Imagine that... a Superman film where you actually see the lead character visibly age from teenager to adult, and unlike the use of Jeff East and Chris Reeve it's actually the same actor all the way through.

DESK!!! Long time no chat, hon! We missed ya. Whatdaya think? SV film more possible now? *grin* My husband (who knows SQUAT about Hollywood and motion pictures as a business) had just finished watching CNN's entertainment report and asked, "so, does this mean they're gonna make a SV film?" Hah! Smart guy. LOL

 

[Desk]

DESK!!! Long time no chat, hon! We missed ya. Whatdaya think? SV film more possible now? *grin* My husband (who knows SQUAT about Hollywood and motion pictures as a business) had just finished watching CNN's entertainment report and asked, "so, does this mean they're gonna make a SV film?" Hah! Smart guy. LOL

Hey, Pat - good to run into you again!

Taking an established, enduring and successful TV show that appeals to key demographics and elevating it onto the big screen as a similar-yet-distinct filmic entity...?

I can actually see that emerging as a good face-saving escape plan.

 

[Serene]

Desk... good to see you 'round these parts again.

 

[Desk]

Desk... good to see you 'round these parts again.

Good to encounter you as well, Serene! It's been too long.

 

[AgentPat]

Hey, Pat - good to run into you again!

Taking an established, enduring and successful TV show that appeals to key demographics and elevating it onto the big screen as a similar-yet-distinct entity...?

I can actually see that emerging as a good face-saving filmic escape plan.

No argument from this peanut gallery. I hope TPTB see it that way as well. Just keep your fingers crossed that if they do choose that route, they wait till the show finishes out its run. Then we get our cake and can eat it too.

 

[Zing79]

No argument from this peanut gallery. I hope TPTB see it that way as well. Just keep your fingers crossed that if they do choose that route, they wait till the show finishes out its run. Then we get our cake and can eat it too.

Even if they went that route I'm sure they'd do everything humanly possible to stretch out SV to 7 seasons without having the ratings slide. They'd need buffer time between SR and an SV feature -- Summer 2009 anyone?

 

[AgentPat]

Even if they went that route I'm sure they'd do everything humanly possible to stretch out SV to 7 seasons without having the ratings slide. They'd need buffer time between SR and an SV feature -- Summer 2009 anyone?

What's the sked look like for the next batch of superhero films? Batman Begins sequel? Fantastic Four 2? Spider-Man 3? I haven't been paying attention. Warners would (should) try to shoot for a window away from those films, while still keeping tabs on the possibility of an X-Men 4 and even a Hulk restart. There's also Flash and Wonder Woman films in the works, though I'm not sure how far into production those are, or if they've even been greenlit yet.

 

[Hollywoodland]

I really dont want to get my hopes up for a Smallville film. While unique, we'll likely know about the Superman film for 2009 by the end of the summer, and if Batman Begins was given a sequel without hesitation, despite a lower than expected (but adequate start), the same will likely be for the current franchaise in question.

Despite everything, it was confirmed on bt that Dan Harris is penning ideas for the 2009 film right now.

 

[Zing79]

What's the sked look like for the next batch of superhero films? Batman Begins sequel? Fantastic Four 2? Spider-Man 3? I haven't been paying attention. Warners would (should) try to shoot for a window away from those films, while still keeping tabs on the possibility of an X-Men 4 and even a Hulk restart. There's also Flash and Wonder Woman films in the works, though I'm not sure how far into production those are, or if they've even been greenlit yet.

Doesn't matter when everyone else is coming out. I keep saying it but I actually am dead serious when those words are typed onto the page. Give SV a Spider-Man 1 like budget (139 mil), and the EXACT same group that has seen SR regardless of how much they may hate the film would come out to see it as well. The tracking data for SR is showing that it's playing heavily to Superman fans.

An SV film that makes SR money would be VERY profitable for WB.

 

[Kaboom]

hows the saying go: he who laughs last?

 

[Zing79]

hows the saying go: he who laughs last?

Gets a probationary ban?